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|  #1 Posted on 26.3.02 0929.14 | I was just thinking about the Austin situation, and I think that it's best that he doesn't "sign" with one of the two groups for awhile. They could turn this messy situation (if it even is messy) into a great angle. I would like to see him popping in and out of both shows for awhile before he makes his big decision. It could make for some great TV. It might also help make people tune into both shows to see if Austin is going to show up that night. Maybe one night he could show up on Raw and stun the hell out of the NWO, but then not appear on TV till the next week- when he shows up on Smackdown and stuns Angle. It could end up being remincsent of the Crow Sting angle where he would just drop in and take people out. | Promote this thread! |           | Trineo
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| #2 Posted on 26.3.02 0942.42 | I think he should have been put on Raw like it was originally planned. He might have done a lot for the company... and yes, the nWo sucks ass, but that is no excuse to be an unprofessional cry-baby. The problem is there is no good to come of this situation. If he gives in to Austin, then the locker room will see it as Vince getting weak. If he punishes Austin, it's seen as him favoring the problems (Hall and Nash) over the person who kept them from going under.
This is truly a no-win situation, and the only way around it would have been Austin being a pro and just showing them up in the ring, and not making matyrs of them outside of it.
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| #3 Posted on 26.3.02 1016.57 | I think that the fact that Austin was a free agent, and that Austin was mentioned regularly says that there are some problems, but they're nowhere near what we net sharks want to make them out to be. Probably he was upset or burnt out in some way and they said 'Hey, take a few weeks off, have sex with Deborah, get feeling better' or something like that (This is Vince we're talking about)
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| #4 Posted on 26.3.02 1044.14 | What's everyone so pissed off about. THe man used the creative control he's guaranteed in his contract. He hasn't done anything illegal or immoral. As for Vince getting "weak"... He should thank God he only has this relatively small problem to deal with. Imagine if there was a union!
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| #5 Posted on 26.3.02 1125.08 | | Austin is NOT guaranteed creative control in his contract. NOBODY in the WWF is. That was a big sticking point a couple years ago. WCW had guys using their creative control left and right. People pointed out that the WWF never had these problems because none of the talent has creative control. I think Bret Hart was the last guy in the WWF to have creative control written into his WWF contract and you saw where THAT got him. | Rudy
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| #6 Posted on 26.3.02 1147.24 | While Austin may not have literal "Creative Control" in his contract, he does have defacto creative control due to two things.
First, he has the option to take a few month's leave to work on a film or TV project. He'd have to give at least several week's notice, but he could use that as a bargaining chip if he wanted a storyline changed.
Second, he needs knee surgery. He's been putting it off for years. If he were so inclined, he could decide that he needs it now, right when he's unhappy with the direction of the storylines.
There is one other thing. A few weeks ago, in the print edition of the Torch, Keller made a passing reference to Austin being a major focus of the post-split storylines. Considering the timing of the open letter, and Austin's absence over the last nine days, maybe McMahon asked him to take time off and not tell anyone so that he could use the situation to try and track down who's leaking information from the WWF.
It's a bit far-fetched, but given McMahon's tendancy towards paranoia, and the current brouhaha over their media policy, it could be an elaborate work.
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| #7 Posted on 26.3.02 1250.59 | I think it's probably a work. The dirt sheets are usually full of BS when it comes to this kind of thing--remember back in February when they said the NWO members were bragging about how they were going to bury and no-sell everyone?
I won't say the sheets are totally useless, because they're good at covering the real world stuff, like right before Vince bought WCW. But I don't think they have much insight into what's going on with individual superstars in the locker room.
...though I could imagine Austin not wanting to work with Hogan as payback for Hogan not wanting to work with Austin back in WCW, if Austin's ECW interviews are to be believed.
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| #8 Posted on 26.3.02 1317.26 |
Free agent, my ass. 
There's no way the WWF is having Rock and Austin on the same show. Austin's going to Raw.
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| #9 Posted on 26.3.02 1449.27 |
Originally posted by Trineo
I think he should have been put on Raw like it was originally planned. He might have done a lot for the company... and yes, the nWo sucks ass, but that is no excuse to be an unprofessional cry-baby. The problem is there is no good to come of this situation. If he gives in to Austin, then the locker room will see it as Vince getting weak. If he punishes Austin, it's seen as him favoring the problems (Hall and Nash) over the person who kept them from going under.
This is truly a no-win situation, and the only way around it would have been Austin being a pro and just showing them up in the ring, and not making matyrs of them outside of it.
I don't necessarily see it as being unprofessional. Austin is perfectly within his rights, business-wise, to protect his image and sit out if he disagrees with a course of action the company he works for is taking. If what I hear is correct, there are many people who sympathise with Austin's point of view backstage. It's no different than going on strike, only in wrestling there are no unions so it's more of an individual decision.
If Austin had continued to go about his business, he would be at the mercy of those in control of his character and they could potentially damage it further. Austin doesn't want to take that risk and, looking at the writing lately, I don't blame him.
You are right and this is a no-win situation, but I wouldn't blame Austin for putting the WWF in this situation. Both sides feel they are treating each other unfairly to begin with and they both need to resolve this no matter what. This kind of stuff has to happen for anything to change, rather than continue on as if nothing's wrong. | Yun
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| #10 Posted on 26.3.02 2010.05 |
Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
Originally posted by Trineo
I think he should have been put on Raw like it was originally planned. He might have done a lot for the company... and yes, the nWo sucks ass, but that is no excuse to be an unprofessional cry-baby. The problem is there is no good to come of this situation. If he gives in to Austin, then the locker room will see it as Vince getting weak. If he punishes Austin, it's seen as him favoring the problems (Hall and Nash) over the person who kept them from going under.
This is truly a no-win situation, and the only way around it would have been Austin being a pro and just showing them up in the ring, and not making matyrs of them outside of it.
I don't necessarily see it as being unprofessional. Austin is perfectly within his rights, business-wise, to protect his image and sit out if he disagrees with a course of action the company he works for is taking. If what I hear is correct, there are many people who sympathise with Austin's point of view backstage. It's no different than going on strike, only in wrestling there are no unions so it's more of an individual decision.
If Austin had continued to go about his business, he would be at the mercy of those in control of his character and they could potentially damage it further. Austin doesn't want to take that risk and, looking at the writing lately, I don't blame him.
You are right and this is a no-win situation, but I wouldn't blame Austin for putting the WWF in this situation. Both sides feel they are treating each other unfairly to begin with and they both need to resolve this no matter what. This kind of stuff has to happen for anything to change, rather than continue on as if nothing's wrong.
I just have one question: would you be saying this if it were Nash or Hogan throwing a hissy-fit?
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| #11 Posted on 26.3.02 2020.09 | I don't think that comparing Austin to the Orange Goblin is quite fair in this regard. Now certainly have no backstage contactc nor have I ever had the chance to be an "insider" in any other way, but it seems that Austin has been pretty damn easygoing about where the WWF has taken his character in the past. He was an unquestioned king babyface/tweener and he gave a tremendous effort to the poorly received heel turn that the WWF so dearly loved. He did it so well in fact that eventually even the smarks went from hating it to loving it. It would take a hell of a team player to give up all that merchandising and take a risk on that scale. I woulda told them to piss up a rope and kept on swilling beer and being a badass.
I am frankly surprised that no one has organized a union in the locker room and staged a walkout or something given the incrddibly long string of bad booking the WWF has pulled. My god they can't even manage to commit to a real split! "Brand extension" your mommas sweet ass. I think IF SCSA has actually taken himself off air in retaliation for all of this, then bra-fucking-vo to him. If this turns out to be a colossal "work the smarts" angle then Fuck To You!!! Mr Vince.
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| #12 Posted on 26.3.02 2046.40 | Instant Rating: 4.42 |
Originally posted by WAPU Bandit
I don't think that comparing Austin to the Orange Goblin is quite fair in this regard. Now certainly have no backstage contactc nor have I ever had the chance to be an "insider" in any other way, but it seems that Austin has been pretty damn easygoing about where the WWF has taken his character in the past. He was an unquestioned king babyface/tweener and he gave a tremendous effort to the poorly received heel turn that the WWF so dearly loved. He did it so well in fact that eventually even the smarks went from hating it to loving it. It would take a hell of a team player to give up all that merchandising and take a risk on that scale. I woulda told them to piss up a rope and kept on swilling beer and being a badass.
I am frankly surprised that no one has organized a union in the locker room and staged a walkout or something given the incrddibly long string of bad booking the WWF has pulled. My god they can't even manage to commit to a real split! "Brand extension" your mommas sweet ass. I think IF SCSA has actually taken himself off air in retaliation for all of this, then bra-fucking-vo to him. If this turns out to be a colossal "work the smarts" angle then Fuck To You!!! Mr Vince.
His reason doesn't matter (and Austin hasn't really been put in alot of situations that he would have a reason to be unhappy anyway). He is no better than anyone else who leaves or refuses to job because they think they or their character is too good for the direction the WWF wants to go.
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| #13 Posted on 26.3.02 2054.35 |
Originally posted by TheBucsFan
His reason doesn't matter (and Austin hasn't really been put in alot of situations that he would have a reason to be unhappy anyway). He is no better than anyone else who leaves or refuses to job because they think they or their character is too good for the direction the WWF wants to go.
While your point has merit, being in a job where not only does a union not exist but is in fact illegal, I would like to live out my jobber's right fantasy vicariously through my working class hero/millionaire SCSA : )
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| #14 Posted on 27.3.02 1421.21 | Originally posted by Yun
I just have one question: would you be saying this if it were Nash or Hogan throwing a hissy-fit?
It depends on the situation. Both are entitled to the same rights that Austin is.
The only reason I say that it depends is that it is well-established in Hogan's personality that when the fans start rejecting him, he ROUTINELY goes into "hiding" and "retires" or whatever just so he can pop a buyrate/rating upon his return. He is constantly written out of storylines just for the sole purpose of making a big return, because sometimes his charisma isn't worth anything and he has to rely on the nostalgia/name value to draw at times.
So, in that case, it would be a different story.
The only exception is when Hogan left WCW when Russo was in charge. I agreed with Hogan's choice to sit out and disassociate himself from the product. I did agree with what Russo did, though, because both Hogan & Bischoff together ruined WCW (and only helped to build it) and Hogan needed his ass kicked out the door along with Bischoff. Russo had a completely different idea than Hogan did and blatantly decieved him later on at BATB 2000, so Hogan can't take any shit for that.
Austin's scenario is different than the usual "Hulk Hogan Run-And-Hide" trend, because he has an OPEN (it's well-reported everywhere) disagreement with management and is sitting out, because he doesn't want to damage his credibility by being at the mercy of those he believes are ruining his character.
As far as Nash goes, if Nash doesn't like where his character is going, I don't see anything wrong with him not wanting to be a part of the crapfest. Hogan, too, just so long as he's doing it out of principle rather than popping a big "return" number.
EDIT: Added profanity.
(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 27.3.02 1230) | DirkLurker
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| #15 Posted on 27.3.02 1828.54 | Waaah my character.
Waaah I don't want to lose to Scott Hall.
Waaah I hate Hulk Hogan, he made me lose to Jim Duggan.
Waaah Waaah Waaah Waaah.
Waaah I don't want to wrestle Jeff Jarrett, he's not in my league.
Waaah Waaah Waaah Waaah.
Waaah I'm going to take my knee braces and go home.
I hope he never comes back.
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