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http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=257044&lang=e&dir=news

This is really just insanity. It makes me wonder if this has anything to do with pandering to the Muslim population. So, who wants to defend France this time?
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France is going to be an Islamic Republic before the end of the Century....that'll cause a few problems in NATO.



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"If we find that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are indeed terror groups opposed to peace, we may have to change the EU's stand," Gordo conveyed. "However, we mustn't limit ourselves to one, clear cut, position."

Um, no. Those 'one, clear cut, position' situations are bad. So much better to be in muddy shades of grey.

Grimis - I think you're wrong. In order to become an Islamic Republic, the French would have to be religious. From my experience, they (and most of mainland Europe) are (to be kind) Godless heatens.



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    Originally posted by ScreamingHeadGuy
    In order to become an Islamic Republic, the French would have to be religious. From my experience, they (and most of mainland Europe) are (to be kind) Godless heatens.


At least they're doing something right....



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    Originally posted by ScreamingHeadGuy
    Grimis - I think you're wrong. In order to become an Islamic Republic, the French would have to be religious. From my experience, they (and most of mainland Europe) are (to be kind) Godless heatens.

I'm not talkin about the French setting up the republic. France has a very loosey goosey immigration policy and are basically letting damn near everybody in. This includes folks from their African colonies, many of whom are Muslims. If they get disenchanted, they can move towards Islamicism, and that's when problems start.

With birthrates being the way they are, it is very likely that France will be majority Muslim, hence the Republic.



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Europe is full of 'godless heathens' and France will become an Islamic Republic? Good lord, and there we Europeans were thinking it was just Dubya and Donald having no clue about the rest of the world.



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A-Mol,

I'm just speaking from what I saw when I spent a month overseas. Perhaps I didn't get out enough or speak to the right people. Or maybe it's because I was in Germany. But that's how it seemed to me.




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    Originally posted by A-MOL
    Europe is full of 'godless heathens' and France will become an Islamic Republic? Good lord, and there we Europeans were thinking it was just Dubya and Donald having no clue about the rest of the world.

It's a numbers game my friend. Christians are old. Muslims are young. Christian birthrates are down. Muslims birthrates are up. It's just a matter of time if current immigration stands true.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    It's a numbers game my friend. Christians are old. Muslims are young. Christian birthrates are down. Muslims birthrates are up. It's just a matter of time if current immigration stands true.


*sigh*. So it won't be long before Notre Dame goes the way of Hagia Sophia



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I wonder if conservatives will be as big on prayer in schools if/when such a demographic shift happens here and suddenly the prayers at graduation are to Allah.



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It's not as if conservatives are the only ones big on prayer in school, nearly 75% of Americans support it. And anyways, how did this thread manage to get hijacked? It's no coincidence that Jews are leaving France in a hurry these days, as some things sadly just never change with some people.
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    Originally posted by Michrome
    It's not as if conservatives are the only ones big on prayer in school, nearly 75% of Americans support it.


The right of students to pray in school, or the right of schools to lead students in organized prayer?

There is a very big difference.




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A gallup poll last year said that 3 out of 4 Americans responded yes when asked "Should there be prayer in public school." The public overwhelmingly supports prayer in school in almost every poll taken. It reminds me of my mom saying "I can't believe Reagan won" after he smashed Mondale 49 states to 1.

Here it is:
POLL RELEASES
July 9, 1999

Most Americans Support Prayer in Public Schools

Also express widespread support for religious extracurricular activities
by Mark Gillespie

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE


PRINCETON, NJ -- In the aftermath of the recent shootings in the nation's schools, more people are calling for a return to traditional family values -- including prayer in the classrooms. Once a daily staple for many schools, prayer in the public schools was banned by court decisions in the early '60s on the grounds that it violated constitutional protections guaranteeing the separation of church and state. Returning prayer to the schools has become a rallying cry for conservatives in the wake of the Columbine High School tragedy in Colorado, and is a key part of the platforms of conservative presidential candidates such as Dan Quayle and Gary Bauer.

According to a new Gallup/CNN/USA Today poll conducted the weekend of June 25-27, seven out of ten Americans favor allowing daily spoken prayers in the nation's classrooms, and a somewhat greater percentage -- 74% -- supports a proposal allowing schools to display the Ten Commandments. As might be expected, there are partisan differences, with 81% of those who describe themselves as politically conservative supporting school prayer, compared with 58% of liberals. In addition, African-Americans are also more likely to support school prayer (85%) than are whites (69%). Older Americans -- those 50 and over -- are more likely to support prayer in schools (76%) than are those between the ages of 18-29 (62%).

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Three things:

1) 1999 was not last year, though whether those polled have changed their feelings in the past four years I can't say.

2) I find 'daily spoken prayers' to be a very very vague term. Are these prayers led by teachers? Priests? Students? Are they mandatory? Are they prayers to pagan gods, or Allah?

3) I'd like to know what the sample was.

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I can tell you I have never felt so uncomfortable being Jewish anwhere in the United States - and I've been pretty much everywhere in the U.S. - as I did in France and Belgium. Not even close. This doesn't surprise me one bit. Simply put, in their minds a Jewish life isn't worth the same as a non-Jewish life. I know it's all P.C. to hate on the French these days, so I don't expect much of an uproar from that statement, but I'd stand by it regardless.

As for the France becoming Muslim thing, I'd really like to see a mathamatical analysis of that. For instance, I know that Northern Ireland is 55%-45% Protestant, and that the Catholics are having more kids than the Protestants, and it's still supposed to be, like, 30 years before there's a Catholic majority (a VOTING Catholic majority is even further away).

Also take into consideration that the French hate the Muslims almost as much as the Jews. At least the ones that don't think the greatest thing they can contribute to God and humanity is to convince 19-year old kids to blow up 6-year old kids.

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It was a gallup sample, which is as accurate as you can get. The numbers are almost always around 70% for prayer in school, and they've gone up a bit since september 11th, as they usually do in a crisis. If you want really recent ones, you can register for a gallup membership, because unless you pay you can't look at their archives.
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I'm just loving all the Muslim hatred here. Very Cold War.



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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    I'm just loving all the Muslim hatred here. Very Cold War.
I don't see any in this thread. Does "here" refer to something else?



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    Originally posted by ScreamingHeadGuy
    A-Mol,

    I'm just speaking from what I saw when I spent a month overseas. Perhaps I didn't get out enough or speak to the right people. Or maybe it's because I was in Germany. But that's how it seemed to me.



heathen ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hthn)
n. pl. heathens or heathen

1a. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.
1b. Such persons considered as a group; the unconverted.

2a. One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.
2b. Such persons considered as a group.

Seeing as to some, 'heathen' could seem offensive, just be careful about which words you use to describe the citizens of a continent.

MoeGates, there has been an undercurrent of hatred for people of different races at the moment in Europe. The Neo-Nazis, particulary in Europe, have caused problems with increasing frequency after Sept 11, 2001. 'Asylum Seekers' are attacked daily in UK newspapers like The Sun and The Daily Mail, leading to increases in violence against Asian communities, no matter the religion of the victims. The treatment of Jews in France may be a backlash to the reaction of the US to the UN veto, with some believing the US offensive in the Middle East is part of the "Zionist Conspiracy", a view shared by some in the Asian community and the extreme right-wing. All of it is, of course, a load of horseshit, but, under the current climate, is unfortunately typical of a few.



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    I'm just loving all the Muslim hatred here. Very Cold War.


Nobody hates muslims, people hate muslims that blow themselves up to kill Jews and Americans. I love the little cold war aside too, you'd think liberals would have given up on this after Venona.
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