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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
FOX isn't at Comic Con but there is news on their reboots of their major non-X-Men Marvel properties.

Josh Trank is set to direct Fantastic Four. Meanwhile, David Slade has dropped out of directing Daredevil. (deadline.com) FOX is looking for a new Daredevil helmer, as Slade, who directed 30 Days of Night and Eclipse, the least shitty movie in The Twilight Saga (backofthehead.com) had a conflict with his commitment to direct Hannibal for NBC.

Josh Trank directed Chronicle, which I liked a lot (backofthehead.com), and got a pretty sweet gig to reboot Fantastic Four. He can't possibly do a blander, more banal job than Tim Story did with the previous Fantastic Four films* (which Oliver loved, for the record.) No cast has been announced yet, but I'm looking forward to a new, hopefully good Fantastic Four movie, as such a thing has yet to exist. Same with Daredevil. A good Daredevil movie? Currently unprecedented.

Much like Sony had to reboot Spider-Man, FOX has to get these movies in theaters before the rights revert back to Marvel Studios.

* For shits and giggles, here are my reviews ripping on the Fantastic Four movies:

Fantastic Four (backofthehead.com)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (backofthehead.com)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
I understand the desire to reboot Fantastic Four, because that franchise still has some potential and a loyal fanbase. But I don't understand the burning need to bring back Daredevil. Is this REALLY such a hot commodity? I would think FOX could let this one go and still be able to sleep at night.

As long as Trank was taking notes during The Avengers on how to properly do an ensemble film, the FF reboot should come out alright. Chronicle was better than it had any right to be.




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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
What would be really fun (and at least a decade or more from possibly happening) is a "found footage" Marvel movie. Chronicle meets Marvels in pitchspeak.

I think the funniest part of the Daredevil story is that they have to start shooting by this fall. Even *IF* that happens, it's still just going to be something they throw out in January for a week with no advertising *just* to keep the franchise.

I'd like to see a Marvel DD movie. He could be the Spider-Man analogue until *that* reverts in the '20s. I'm seeing as a villain, either The Owl (mobster with enhanced sight vs. blind lawyer - writes itself!) or Mr. Hyde (handicapped hero vs. monster) Perhaps Mr. Hyde could be The Owl's henchman.

Also, a Stilt-Man reference, or Big Wheel.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by It's False
    I understand the desire to reboot Fantastic Four, because that franchise still has some potential and a loyal fanbase. But I don't understand the burning need to bring back Daredevil. Is this REALLY such a hot commodity? I would think FOX could let this one go and still be able to sleep at night.



Well if they don't keep the rights you KNOW Marvel will go out of their way to make a hit out of DD.
I'm sure they'll find a way to have him interact with the Avengers & Shield. Use parts the recent Omega Drive story for instance, where he has a disk with info on all criminals/criminal organisations and have Shield/Cap come up to him.

Plus, they (Fox) just might randomly be able to strike gold?
Maybe it doesn't sound probably but with the right story and actors, a DareDevil movie could do well and make them lots of money. Nobody expected X-men 1st class to be any good.


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
I always thought that the first 3/4 of "Born Again" would make a fantastic Daredevil movie. Everything before they introduce Nuke and bring in the Avengers. A good, personal central conflict, and a fairly satisfying punch up at the end vs. the fake Daredevil. Heck, it even has a built-in reason for the hero not to be wearing his own mask during the fight, and we all know how much movie makers like that.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I always thought that the first 3/4 of "Born Again" would make a fantastic Daredevil movie.


It hasn't been confirmed but I believe Born Again is the basis of the Daredevil reboot movie's story. But who knows for sure. Everything's up in the air.



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I liked Daredevil in theaters, but I loved the Director's Cut. The problem with Daredevil is minus Elektra, Kingpin and Bullseye, all of his villains are very minor league. Stilt Man, I mean come on. And since they already did that movie, I have no idea where they could go. Even if they do film this fall which is a long shot, you know down the road Disney is going to get those rights. This is the same company that made their characters the only ones who don't fall under copyright.

If I were Fox, I'd at least play ball with them. Get the rights extended and let Daredevil or FF be in Avengers 2 or Amazing Spiderman 2. Shit, they could do the Fantastic Force thing down the road.

I thought FF 1 was ok, but they made the unforgivable mistake of fucking up Dr. Doom. Doom could have been a central figure for a lot of other comic book movies and made sense. Yet, they went out of their way to make him a fucking idiot. So, you can reboot FF, but it wouldn't shock me to see Fox play ball with Disney before they get storm rolled by the Rat.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
Would love to see a Daredevil movie that isn't horrible. This current storyline is great, too bad they can't do a Punisher crossover.

I suppose we'll never get a really good Punisher movie either, huh?
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by theremin
    I suppose we'll never get a really good Punisher movie either, huh?


After three different tries with Lundgren, Jane and Stevenson in the role, I've abandoned the very idea a Punisher movie could ever be good.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
I, for the record, LOVED Daredevil...AND the first Fantastic Four movie.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
At what point is the public going just flat out revolt against reboot after reboot after reboot of these superhero movies?

The Fantastic Four movies were perfectly fine. If they must do them- we don't need to see the origin again. It would be funny to see Chris Evans back as the Torch and have him walk by something related to Captain America somehow.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by dwaters
    At what point is the public going just flat out revolt against reboot after reboot after reboot of these superhero movies?


At no point. 12+ years into the superhero movie era (X-Men was the first major superhero franchise post-Schumacher killing Batman until 2005) and the bottom hasn't dropped out. I mean, the most umbrage over a superhero reboot ever seen was the Spider-Man reboot and they still banked $140-million and mostly good reviews in their opening week. If that reboot still managed to go over despite a lot of bitching...

I see it as: in comics, the properties are never meant to be static. Superheroes are meant to be reinvented and reinvigorated (hopefully) by new writer/art/editor teams all the time. The superhero movies can be treated the same way. All anyone ultimately cares about is if the movie is good, whether it was worth paying money to see, and if you had a good time watching it.

Plus, even though past superhero movies live on forever in DVD, Blu-ray, cable, etc. There's always the mentality of wanting to see something new. And a movie is always going to be new to someone.

Let's say someone heard for the past 7 years that the Fantastic Four movies are shit. And thus, he or she has never seen it because he heard they're shit. Well, a new Fantastic Four movie that gets good word of mouth -- maybe he'll go see that if people he knows and trusts say it's worth it. And boom, now he's seen a Fantastic Four movie. And will probably come back for a sequel.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
I just read your Fantastic Four reviews John. Pretty funny stuff.

It's hard to believe the 7th Batman movie is coming up and people are pumped to see it. Credit Christopher Nolan on that one.

I guess branding matters-- people will buy tickets when WWE comes to town regardless of who's on the card, people will see Pixar movies because they're Pixar, and they'll see Spider-Man, Superman, and Batman movies for the same reason.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The problem with Daredevil is minus Elektra, Kingpin and Bullseye, all of his villains are very minor league.


I'll admit he doesn't have a particularly deep villain roster, but he's also got Typhoid Mary, who could see some play outside of the comics, and the Hand, because everybody likes ninja.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by lotjx
      The problem with Daredevil is minus Elektra, Kingpin and Bullseye, all of his villains are very minor league.


    I'll admit he doesn't have a particularly deep villain roster, but he's also got Typhoid Mary, who could see some play outside of the comics, and the Hand, because everybody likes ninja.


They were both already in the Elektra movie starring Jennifer Garner.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
I thought one of the biggest problems with the FF movie is that (aside from sucking) it came out so close to "The Incredibles," which more or less was a Fantastic Four story, even down to similar powersets for the heroes. It was also more family-friendly, which fit since the FF always seemed slightly more tinted towards comedy to me and lacking the pathos associated with Spider-Man or the X-Men.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
Yeah, The Incredibles needs to be in the conversation when it comes to great superhero movies. I think Unbreakable does as well- though people seem to either love or hate that movie.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
    Originally posted by dwaters
    Yeah, The Incredibles needs to be in the conversation when it comes to great superhero movies. I think Unbreakable does as well- though people seem to either love or hate that movie.


I love Unbreakable to bits.

Technically TDKR is the 9th theatrical Batman film (Batman 66 and - possibly the best of the lot - Batman: Mask of the Phantasm are the two that you are forgetting.)



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    And boom, now he's seen a Fantastic Four movie. And will probably come back for a sequel.


And, the studios know, probably go back and watch the older one, just because.

Incredibles is definitely awesome.

Speaking of Daredevil villains, I would love to see that most recent Punisher MAX series turned into a movie.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by Llakor
      Originally posted by dwaters
      Yeah, The Incredibles needs to be in the conversation when it comes to great superhero movies. I think Unbreakable does as well- though people seem to either love or hate that movie.


    I love Unbreakable to bits.

    Technically TDKR is the 9th theatrical Batman film (Batman 66 and - possibly the best of the lot - Batman: Mask of the Phantasm are the two that you are forgetting.)
There was a Batman movie in the 1940s, but nobody remembers it because it was so racist against the Japanese.

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