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The Steelers release Hines Ward today. Not sure Ward has enough left in the tank of not, but I can still see him getting a decent free age t offer. If not, is he HOF worthy?
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I think he will retire. I read some stat that a good amount of his catches last year were behind the line of scrimmage because the Steelers wanted him to get 1,000 catches. I think he has nothing left in the tank. He is a Hall of Famer, but most likely not a first ballot one.



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From what I remember in recent times, when a great receiver gets released, they don't usually get on another team or last more than a year or two. I think he still has something left in him to be a very good contributor if not necessarily a #1 option. But right now I can't think of a team that he would go to that can become much better with his presence.

As far as being a HOF'er? I say definitely yes. He was a very productive receiver who won 2 super bowls (one of them as a MVP) and was a great blocker as well. The problem is how much Hall of Fame voters undervalue wide receivers. If Cris Carter can't get in for several years and others (Irvin, Brown, etc.) had to wait multiple years to get in, I don't see how Ward gets in within the first 2 or 3 ballots.













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Can't see Ward getting into the HOF. A very good receiver for a long time but not an all-timer, in my view.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.71
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Can't see Ward getting into the HOF. A very good receiver for a long time but not an all-timer, in my view.


As a lifelong Browns fans, I HATE the Steelers. However, he belongs in the HOF. A very good receiver who was probably one of the top blocking WR in history.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    A very good receiver who was probably one of the top blocking WR in history.


Agreed. The only thing that might diddle him's the logjam of really good WRs waiting to get into the Hall.

I'd like to think he gets a job somewhere else but I'm not sure he has anything to really offer (or if he'd even feel he's got much left to achieve).
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If Swann and Stallworth are in the HOF, Hine has to go in. He has more stats than both of those guys plus he is a Super Bowl MVP. His hitting the DBs and CBs around is also a stat that will not show up, but helped win games. To me, the Steelers' best weapon is their WRs and TEs. They may lose Wallace, Cotchery is good, but I can't see him staying, Miller is one of the best TEs in the game and Brown maybe a flash in the pan for all we know.

Hines was just not used correctly this year and I don't know why other than Ben likes to throw it deep and forgets about the short routes. I also not pleased that Hines is gone and a lot of the players on that shitty O-Line and defense are coming back. If he was willing to come back at $1 million a year or even $1.5 as a farewell tour then I say go for it. Especially if you want to keep the nucleolus of that WR Corp together since they are not going to run the ball as much as the Rooneys and Haily want to when Ben audibles as soon as he gets to the line. On top of their star, star being a loose term for Mendhall, being out all year. A dumb ass decision.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by lotjx
    His hitting the DBs and CBs around is also a stat that will not show up, but helped win games.


I think one of the biggest testaments to Ward is that his prime and a ton of production came on a run-first team (barring the crazy Maddox year) with Kordell Stewart and an insulated rookie/2nd year Ben at QB.


    Brown maybe a flash in the pan for all we know.


Brown seems more legit to me than Wallace because of his well-roundedness. But I'm happy to have them both. I hope they start using Wallace on more than just bombs. He can catch a short slant and be gone just as easily (maybe more) than on the deep routes.


    Hines was just not used correctly this year and I don't know why


The coaches did not believe he could get open anymore and benched him because they thought they had four guys better than him. The tape on Ward's 2011 is out there, we'll see what team disagrees with that assessment and to what extent.


    I also not pleased that Hines is gone and a lot of the players on that shitty O-Line and defense are coming back.


Aaron Smith and James Farrior aren't coming back. Casey Hampton and Larry Foote might not be and will at the least restructure. I think I'd like to keep Polamalu and Harrison around.

Shitty o-line will cut Kemoeatu and restructure Colon. Everyone else on it is the Pro Bowl center, the 2nd round pick tackle, and two journeymen starting guards who don't make anything. Not a lot of savings to be had there.


    Especially if you want to keep the nucleolus of that WR Corp together since they are not going to run the ball as much as the Rooneys and Haily want to when Ben audibles as soon as he gets to the line.


The nucleus, though, is now Wallace/Brown/Sanders.


    If he was willing to come back at $1 million a year or even $1.5 as a farewell tour then I say go for it.


I'm with you all the way. There are certain players for me who mean so much that they trump all business, all reality, and can (to an extent) call their own shot. Ward's on the shortlist of those kinds of players. I wanted the farewell tour. But ...


    A dumb ass decision.


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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro


      If he was willing to come back at $1 million a year or even $1.5 as a farewell tour then I say go for it.


    I'm with you all the way. There are certain players for me who mean so much that they trump all business, all reality, and can (to an extent) call their own shot. Ward's on the shortlist of those kinds of players. I wanted the farewell tour. But ...



I agree but I don't. Yes, seeing Ward go out as a Steeler would have been great and would trump MOST business but not in this case. The Steelers couldn't franchise tag Wallace because they don't have enough cash. Instead he'll be a restricted free agent. The amount left under the cap is just enough to match an offer sheet if somebody decides to give one to Wallace. Teams typically won't get up a draft pick for a one-year player but you never know. If the Steelers even give Ward $1 million to come back then they don't have enough to match an offer for Wallace and as much as I love Ward, you're crazy if you think he's more valuable to the team than Wallace in 2012.



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By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

But let’s examine what happened between him [Ward] and the Steelers, why it came to this.

There is still room on the roster for Ward. Even if they somehow keep both of their free agent wide receivers, Mike Wallace and Jerricho Cotchery. But Mike Tomlin did not want him back for whatever reasons and that was that (notice the lack of comments by the coach in the Steelers' statement on the release of Ward, only Art Rooney had anything to say about him).

They felt last season that Cotchery was better but, mainly because of Ward’s status, they waited until mid-season until they made the change. Then, suddenly, Ward was back in the picture.

I was told by one player that the word came down from the top to try to get Ward his 1,000 catches, and the coaches did that. Someone else told me that management would have liked to see Ward back for one more season, even if it were as the No. 3 or 4 receiver, but that Tomlin stood firm that he did not want him back.

After Bruce Arians was forced out in a very public manner, Art Rooney did not want to force this on the coach too.

That might have been a bigger disaster – Ward ordered to be put on the roster and Tomlin not wanting him there. Ward might have been inactive for much of the season.

So this one goes to Mike Tomlin, rightfully so. The coaching staff showed what they thought of Ward and his ability last season and there probably was no sense forcing another season of Ward on him and his staff, even with a new coordinator.







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Since: 12.12.01
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Hines retired.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Hines retired.



Honestly, I'm glad the Steelers didn't give up on him without some justification.



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