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http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2088.pdf (PDF)

Of course, Ueberroth's abrupt dropout kinda immediately invalidates the numbers...or does it? Here's their addendum: http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2090.pdf (PDF)

McClintock needs to seriously decide whether he wants to stick around or not. GOP voters are more likely to support him right up until the very moment they're in the box, and then they'll vote for who they think can win, Arnold.

As for Bustamante, if nobody sees his true intentions after he dropped "No on Recall" from his speeches - then claimed he didn't, and he wouldn't - well, maybe California DESERVES him. It's not like he's ever helped us in the #2 spot, why would he suddenly be different at the top?




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Rumor is though that the Field Poll may be biased...

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If Bustamante wins, we deserve what comes. More and more, I'm realizing that this recall has nothing to do with people being sick of tax, spend, and regulate. It's more about "Oh my god we have no money left for programs?" than "Why do we have these programs?"

Mcclintock should drop out and run against Boxer in 04 for the Senate seat. In a televised debate, he would rip her to shreds, and I think he could win that. As it is, he's just a pointless spoiler, and his career in the GOP is over if he remains one.
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In the interests of "fairness," here's the KPIX-TV/KCBS-AM poll from Survey USA (surveyamerica.com) which doesn't agree with Field. Hoo boy.

{ EDIT: Also apparently KABC-TV, KGTV and KXTV - neat }


(edited by CRZ on 10.9.03 1221)

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Mcclintock should drop out and run against Boxer in 04 for the Senate seat. In a televised debate, he would rip her to shreds, and I think he could win that. As it is, he's just a pointless spoiler, and his career in the GOP is over if he remains one.

Oh, that one gave me a good laugh. This is different from what you guys said about Matt Fong or Bruce Herschelsohn how? You haven't learned not to underestime Barbara Boxer by now?

Even if the "rip her to shreds" comment were remotely close to being true, you really think the debates for anything other than President (and maybe not even that) is watched by anyone other than people who have already made up their minds?

I mean, come on this realiziation of yours about the nature of your state's electorate:

More and more, I'm realizing that this recall has nothing to do with people being sick of tax, spend, and regulate. It's more about "Oh my god we have no money left for programs?" than "Why do we have these programs?"

hasn't clued you in to the inevitable results of the 2004 Senate contest yet?



(edited by MoeGates on 10.9.03 2057)


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You're right, I'm probably in dream land, but McClintock can run circles around any of the former opponents of Boxer. In 2002, McClintock was the top Republican vote-getter, so if *anyone* has a chance..
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The problem with Bustamante is that he's stupid. His campaign is based entirely on the fact that he's of Mexican descent and did field work as a child. But we do have a lot of people in CA who can relate to that. I think about 33% of the voting population.

The problem with Arnold is that he's just all about Arnold. Remember to pronounce that W in his name like a V. What the hell does he bring to the table but a pack of so-called experts like GWB. That team has done such a great job so far.

BTW, Michrome, if this isn't too personal, I know you are always railing against programs. But you seem to have a lot of time to post here on the Wienerboard and I was just wondering what kind of program you had going and if it is something that we all could take up. Call me jealous.



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I'm sorry, but you're insane, and I can't have you posting here anymore.



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Did anyone see the clip on the Daily Show last night from some local California station about the recall election? The reporter asked a woman if she was voting for the recall, and she said she was.* Then she asked who she was voting for, and she said she didn't know, but she was definitely going to vote for a Republican. The reporter then asked who she was leaning towards, and the woman said "Bustamante". (Jon Stewart then said, "Sometimes, don't you kinda hate democracy?".)

Wow.

She sure sounds like a Schwartzenegger voter to me.




*: Although she oughta cut a brother some slack and not. I don't wanna be banned. >:) The support for the recall is slipping, but I worry it's going to plateau soon. I think a lot of it has to do with the sucess of Bustamante. I couldn't imagine the very partisan California going forward with a recall that would not only replace a Democrat with a Republican, I couldn't fathom that anyone would be dense enough to want Schwartzenegger as governer and, when faced with the choice of what would essentially be Davis or Schwartzenegger - no matter how many names were on the ballot - the voters would go with Davis.

I still think he's got a shot, but I'm really starting to regret that bet. I'll be a man and stick to it, of course.



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I really thought I could never see a worse gubernatorial election choice than George Ryan vs. Glenn Poshard a few years ago here in IL. I was so hideously and egregiously wrong, that I almost feel like I jinxed electoral politics for this sort of thing to have happened. Seriously, I fail to see how any half-brained person could vote for either of the two major candidates (Arnie and Cruz) with any actual enthusiasm in this race. If you're a GOP'er, is there any reason to support Arnie over McClintock or the now departed Ueberroth, other than "he has the best chance to win"? Because he certainly has nothing else in common cause with the GOP. If you're a Democrat how the hell can you look at Bustamante and say anything other than "well, it's kinda like getting Davis...again"?

I'm curious, how are the CA wieners leaning right now in their votes, and why, because this election is seriously the goofiest thing I've ever seen politically in this country.



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Arnold. Lesser of two evils. McClintock doesn't have a chance to win in this state.

Sure, he may be a bright guy who could beat people up in a debate. But so was another conservative California Republican I supported named Dan Lundgren. He was a much more attractive candidate overall than McClintock, and he went down in flames to Davis. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that a conservative Republican is never going to win a state wide election in California ever again. We just don't like intelligent, sincere people out here.

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Tom or Arnold, or Tom Arnold....dunno yet; it's that
Ross Perot feeling.

But Davis has to go bye-bye (YES on recall):

Davis recently approved illegal immigrants getting
drivers licenses. That's just wrong; and you don't
have to be Pat Buchanan to see the impact of that.

Davis also cut my wife's school position and related
programs, and there's no guarantee further education
cuts aren't coming. Those promises from Arnold and
Cruz are just lip service.

Cruz and the mostly Democratic state legislature have it easy:
If Cruz wins he gets to be Governor, everything stays the same.
If Davis wins Cruz gets to stay Lieutenant Governor, everything stays the same.
If Arnold wins, Cruz is still Lieutenant Governor, right? It's not like some states where the Governor and the Vice-Governor run as one ticket.



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I really thought I could never see a worse gubernatorial election choice than George Ryan vs. Glenn Poshard a few years ago here in IL.

That was pretty brutal, but the all-time worst Gubanatorial election choice was definitely Mario Cuomo vs. George Pataki in 1994, closely followed by Jeffrey "Kevorkian Lawyer" Feiger vs. John "Abortion is absolutley wrong unless it's my wife's" Englar in Michigan in (I believe) 1998.



"I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about 'man on dog' with a United States Senator. It's sort of freaking me out."


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Well, may I quote Birch Barlow from The Simpsons (Episide 2F02): "So, my friends, let's just junk those Dumbocrats and their bleeding-heart smellfare program"

Nah...but I DO think that it's probably easier FOR NOW to junk the guy who wasted all the money and replace him with a guy who, y'know, won't waste the money...because they're none left. At all. But what do I know, I'm just Canadian.



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Here's the latest poll you'll be hearing ALL about later today, the LA Times poll (latimes.com).



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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I really thought I could never see a worse gubernatorial election choice than George Ryan vs. Glenn Poshard a few years ago here in IL.

    That was pretty brutal, but the all-time worst Gubanatorial election choice was definitely Mario Cuomo vs. George Pataki in 1994, closely followed by Jeffrey "Kevorkian Lawyer" Feiger vs. John "Abortion is absolutley wrong unless it's my wife's" Englar in Michigan in (I believe) 1998.


All excellent choices, but I would argue that the all-time nadir remains David "Grand Wizard" Duke vs. Edwin "My accepting the bribe was not illegal. His offering it to me was" Edwards. That's when the 'Vote for the crook; it's important' bumper stickers were printed.
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Maybe it hasn't levelled off. I just might win this thing.



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And here I thought that nothing would ever top Philadelphia's all-time mayoral election, Wilson "The Mad Bomber" Goode vs. Frank Rizzo...




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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Maybe it hasn't levelled off. I just might win this thing.








I'd wait until a poll other than the LA Times stated things were getting tight before thinking winning is a possibility. A few weeks back, while all other polls had recall from 58-62% support, the Times had it as a 50-45 issue. Until another service comes out with a close poll, its safe to assume the LA Times numbers are skewered by their being an organ of the Democratic Party (much as the Democrats would state the same if a New York Post poll had Bush winning New York in a Presidential poll).



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