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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    If you only like watching "a spot or two" of Foley's, then you have little to no appreciation of the psychology of a match. Don't blame the guy because YOU and other audience members can't get past the few big spots he's done and look at the excellent storytelling that goes into each and every one of his matches. Foley, had he been born a decade earlier, could have given Flair a run for his money in terms of in-ring psychology.

    Foley is perhaps the greatest brawler in history.


Word. No one layered his feuds with as much emotion as Foley did. He achieved the near-impossible in a post-kayfabe world - he brilliantly interwove facets from his life and made you believe he genuinely cared. Flair certainly had great feuds, but it's apples and oranges, a feud back in those days would get started by someone jumping you, then retaliation, then match.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    And for Flair to take cheap shots out of insecurity about his own position in the wrestling world (kayfabe being broken? the bar being raised? my self-centred booking being criticised? can't have any of that!) is an insult. Foley very diplomatically stated that Flair was a pretty damn bad booker to be working under, whilst simultaneously pointing out what a legend he is. Flair denegrates Foley's entire style, career and accomplishments, just because he's part of an "old guard" of wrestling that finds what Foley did to be unnacceptable by their out-of-date rules and regulations. What he's saying is the equivalent of, say, Steve Austin writing "Flair was nothing more than a knee-drop, a "Whoo!" and the figure four". It's not tit-for-tat in any way.


Flair strikes me as a bitter, likely broke, old man. He's a second term president who only cares about his legacy. Yeah, Foley called him a shitty booker. But you know what? Flair WAS a shitty booker. Great wrestler, shitty booker. And that's okay, it doesn't make him any less great. But let's not incessantly suck Flair's whirling dick because he had some great matches with Ricky Steamboat in 1989.

    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    I'm glad to see someone finally take it to Foley like this. It's been quite a while coming


Absolutely, it's about time Foley got his comeuppance for helping make almost every star of the "Attiude era." Somebody oughtta knock him off his high horse for all those unselfish jobs he's done to EVERYONE, so much so that they can't even fill up a DVD collection without having mostly losses.

I hope Kurt Angle's next on Flair's hit list. That sonofabitch has had it too good for too long.


    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    As far as a DVD collection...I'd certainly rather watch a Flair collection than a Foley collection. And I think the DVD sales charts will back me up on that one, correct me if I'm wrong.

    ...yes, I'm aware Foley's book will certainly have higher sales numbers than Flair's - but hey, when Foley's book was #1, the Rock put out a piece of crap ghostwritten book and it ALSO got to #1. Didn't the abomination that was Chyna's book also get on the charts?


So sales figures matter only as long as they support your guy?


    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    Sigh. Yes. I must hate well-done matches just because I don't worship the wrestling technician that IS Dude Love.


But you liked the Black Scorpion, right?

    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    Yeah, gotta love those punch-and-kick-before-he-pulls-out-the-sock-for-the-win matches he had in his later years. Hey, I can respect the fact that he was trying to "save himself" for a few big matches (ie HHH at the 2000 Rumble), but don't even pretend "each and every one of his matches" was some brilliant masterpiece. Even Foley himself said he stunk up the joint quite a bit later on.


A washed-up wrestler hanging on too long? Say it ain't so! Or are you talking about guys sucking while still in their prime? Go watch the technical masterpiece that was Flair/Junkyard Dog from Clash of the Champions XII.


    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    From around the Socko-era on, his personality just rubbed me the wrong way. He always strikes me as one of those guys who think they are hilarious, then has a "who, me?" attitude when someone even hints at it. His bitterness over the last several years has reared its head a few times as well, which is what's REALLY annoying to me.


Okay, I can dig that. If you don't like someone's gimmick or their humor, that's up to you. But how does Foley come off as bitter? Bret Hart, Tom Zenk, Honky... THAT'S bitter. Foley sounds a little sensitive and maybe wants to protect his rep.

    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    If Foley admires Terry Funk so much, he should take a page out of his book and be a little more graceful in his inactivity/retirement.


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA... 'cause no one says "graceful retirement" like Terry Funk.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
You can't really blame Flair for having a bad match with Junk Yard Dog.



"This whole "God forbid people be entertained" thing...where was that line from? I don't remember the context or the situation it was said in."


Credit: some chump

"Now you may be wondering why you didn't see Mick Foley on television much anymore...and it's pretty much because I showed up in Long Island, New York last Monday night, my hometown I was told that I wasn't....needed on the program. Well after all, why put Mick Foley on TV in Long Island, we wouldn't want to entertain people, would we? I show up Thursday night, the Meadowlands in New Jersey, I'm told once again, 'Mick, we don't need you on the program.' Well, maybe I'm not needed on the program, but the program sure as hell needs something, and more championship belts is not it."

Stemming from frustration with being asked to come back to TV as the commissioner, then repeatedly being flown in for shows where they didn't bother to come up with anything for him to do, making the whole coming back to TV as the commissioner thing pretty pointless. It was his second-to-last appearance on WWF TV (the next week, he 'resigned' as commissioner) for about a year and a half, before he came back last June for Bad Blood.
asteroidboy
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
I don't blame Flair, just illustrating the point that even one of the greatest of all time was in some stinkers.



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"Was he no-selling?" - Me


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