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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

Here we go again with yet another student tasered on campus.

Yes, he was being annoying and rambling on the microphone, but is that really any reason to taser the kid?
He wasn't being violent or threatening. Kerry was even willing to address his questions.
Two of the cops have been put on leave.

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I don't know the law, but it seems like you should have to inform someone why they are being removed from an area at the time that it happens.

It seems pretty bogus to me to tack on a felony charge of resisting arrest to a misdemeanor charge of disturbing the peace, especially when the cops did not inform the student that he was under arrest, and would not answer why they were removing him.

If you aren't under arrest, are you supposed to let cops kick your ass?




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dwaters: Yes, he was being annoying and rambling on the microphone, but is that really any reason to taser the kid?

Always

He wasn't being violent or threatening. Kerry was even willing to address his questions.

Kerry is a moron. This would be a major political coup. The script:

"This is what happens in Bush's America, etc"

But Kerry is dumb. He'll think of it on Friday

Two of the cops have been put on leave.

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GURU: I don't know the law, but it seems like you should have to inform someone why they are being removed from an area at the time that it happens.

They told him enough is enough and he tried to get famous. I didn't watch the news tonight, but someone's agenda, I'm sure, will be pointing out he's an low rate Class Clown of Clown College and has the You Tube to prove it

It seems pretty bogus to me to tack on a felony charge of resisting arrest to a misdemeanor charge of disturbing the peace, especially when the cops did not inform the student that he was under arrest, and would not answer why they were removing him.

They only did that to make him pay for a lawyer. That's his penance. He was told to quit, he threw a fit and they gave him the business. His only saving grace is he is white. Not that it matters, but come on

If you aren't under arrest, are you supposed to let cops kick your ass?

If a officer gives you instructions to comply, the best bet is to listen. It's in everyone's best interest. The taser was a bonus for my benefit; they should have beat him. And then give him the taser. He's an asshole

Why is this dope pulling these types of shenanigans at a fucking KERRY rally? Jesus, wait 8 months and show off at the money shows. He's lucky he is non-minority. These days, the Cops are too timid to give a good beatdown. They have their hands on a loudmouth white kid, carte blanche, and forgot they have clubs.

If you are going to protest, be prepared. And not at a speech for a guy who means nothing

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EDIT - forgot that we need a quote to sum things up...proper posting

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(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 19.9.07 1017)

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From Hans Meyer at opednews.com


    Seems that Andrew Meyer is known around campus as someone who will do outrageous things to garner attention. For example, when the last in the series of Harry Potter books, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, was released in July, Meyer made a poster with Harry Potter Dies written on it. He stood at the corner of a busy intersection in Gainesville with his sign and a copy of the book, taunting drivers by giving away the surprise ending. From the video shown few motorists found such a disclosure funny, and even the driver of a passing sheriffs car yelled shame to this attention grabber.

    So, when all is said-and-done, perhaps the police who arrested and Tasered Andrew Meyer on Monday were really just devoted, yet ticked off, Harry Potter fans.



Sounds like a douchebag to me.

Anyway, if/when somebody with A) a firearm and B) a Tazer try to remove you from ANYWHERE, please comply. If not, welcome to tazerville.
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The guy sounds like an idiot but to taser someone implies they are a threat to someone and I didn't see that. Can you imagine what would happen if we got to taser anyone who was annoying. And yes, Kerry isn't too bright.



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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    If you aren't under arrest, are you supposed to let cops kick your ass?

    If a officer gives you instructions to comply, the best bet is to listen. It's in everyone's best interest.


Amen to THAT, because even if you are right and the cops are wrong it is just going to escalate the situation if you don't at least go along with what they are asking you to do.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Can you imagine what would happen if we got to taser anyone who was annoying.
I imagine that every day. (hums Steely Dan's "I.G.Y.")



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    The guy sounds like an idiot but to taser someone implies they are a threat to someone and I didn't see that. Can you imagine what would happen if we got to taser anyone who was annoying.


Personally, I think Q&A's should be banned from all speaking engagements. It's like the microphone becomes an idiot magnet.

I'm still puzzled how four fairly large police officers couldn't subdue a scrawny undergrad without using a tazer.




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    Originally posted by Leroy
    I'm still puzzled how four fairly large police officers couldn't subdue a scrawny undergrad without using a tazer.


Well if some of the posts in this thread and the one about the UCLA student are to be believed, it just doesn't matter because they're cops. That puts them above doing the responsible thing.
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A friend of mine was at this event and sent me a link to the video on YouTube a few days ago. I couldn't figure out which part was more amusing: that John Kerry kept talking like nothing was going on while the kid was getting the shit beat out of him or that a couple of kids were half-heartedly saying things like "Rodney King" and "police brutality" in the background. What an odd, odd video.

To FLEA, I'm not sure why you say the kid was lucky that he's white. If you think cops are too timid to beat someoone up these days, don't you think they'd be more likely to beat up a white kid who isn't as likely as a minority (for argument's sake) to claim racial profiling/police brutality/general unfair treatment?

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StingArmy:To FLEA, I'm not sure why you say the kid was lucky that he's white. If you think cops are too timid to beat someoone up these days, don't you think they'd be more likely to beat up a white kid who isn't as likely as a minority (for argument's sake) to claim racial profiling/police brutality/general unfair treatment?

No. They probably should, but no. It's going to be a case of "police brutality" in some people's eyes anyway; his being white gave him the benefit of the doubt on the front end, but tough to have people rally for his cause after the fact. It certainly doesn't help him now that his only card to play is the Peckerhead of Diamonds

And here's some further details on the story. Planned stunt? Student protests! Demonstrations!

Click Here (local6.com)

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forget that noise, Cops will Taser ANYONE (latimes.com) whenever they feel like it.

Since no one has linked to it yet, here's the video (youtube.com) of the idiot getting tasered at the Kerry speech. The funny thing here is that he really didn't do anything wrong. Kerry was even saying he wanted to answer the guys questions, but they dragged him off anyway and then tasered him while he was on the ground.

That's fucked up and I think I smell a law suit.
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What exactly are cops supposed to do with people that are ignoring their orders/making a scene/struggling? Just keep patiently asking until the person decides they finally want to listen?

This kid wanted attention. That's all this is, and the stories from the people that were there all agree so far. It's the same thing as the previous incident. You wanna act like a jackass, fine. But when the cops tell you to stop, probably a good idea to listen. I have zero problem with them zapping you if you don't. In fact if it wasn't so annoying to listen to his mindless idiotic rambling I'd watch this video over and over just for the jolt.

What's the lawsuit gonna say? I was deliberately disobeying orders given to me by police officers and resisting arrest so they had no right to taser me? Good luck with that.

(edited by wmatistic on 19.9.07 1838)
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    This kid wanted attention. That's all this is, and the stories from the people that were there all agree so far.


He's certainly getting a lot less attention now, yessiree.






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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    What exactly are cops supposed to do with people that are ignoring their orders/making a scene/struggling? Just keep patiently asking until the person decides they finally want to listen?

    (edited by wmatistic on 19.9.07 1838)


Uh, yeah pretty much.
As long as they aren't doing damgage to themselves/others/or property what is the big rush? Are the cops being timed?

"Uh oh, this guy's rambling to John Kerry! We need to get him out of the building RIGHT NOW before he gets to uh, babble some more. Hurry! Taser him for good measure"

(I didn't know about the Harry Potter stuff. Giving away the ending to a book(or movie)? Now THAT might be taser-worthy. :))
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I'm still waiting on AWA to chime in here, but I've changed my stance somewhat after talking to a law professor/former prosecutor earlier today on the matter. He says one of the most important parts of police training is making sure your weapon is secure at all times when dealing with someone you are arresting/taking into custody. It only takes a matter of seconds for someone to reach for a weapon. In this case, it could have been one of the cops' own weapon. With the kid being uncooperative and thrashing around like he was, who knows what he's going to do.

They probably shouldn't have put their hands on the kid IN THE FIRST PLACE, but once they crossed that bridge and decided to remove him from the situation, tasering him was probably the right decision. Can you excuse the first mistake? I wouldn't. But the second thing was not a mistake.

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I'm still waiting on AWA to chime in here, but I've changed my stance somewhat after talking to a law professor/former prosecutor earlier today on the matter. He says one of the most important parts of police training is making sure your weapon is secure at all times when dealing with someone you are arresting/taking into custody. It only takes a matter of seconds for someone to reach for a weapon. In this case, it could have been one of the cops' own weapon. With the kid being uncooperative and thrashing around like he was, who knows what he's going to do.

    They probably shouldn't have put their hands on the kid IN THE FIRST PLACE, but once they crossed that bridge and decided to remove him from the situation, tasering him was probably the right decision. Can you excuse the first mistake? I wouldn't. But the second thing was not a mistake.

    - StingArmy


I'm not sure how you get "tasering him was probably the right decision" from "one of the most important parts of police training is making sure your weapon is secure at all times." If they had guns, would securing their weapons constitute shooting the kid?

(edited by TheBucsFan on 19.9.07 2309)
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I'm still waiting on AWA to chime in here,


Use of force is a thing they hammered at us all the time - in school, in lineup - almost daily - I never operated a taser - but we had batons and I used mine to effect probably for some of the reasons guys get tasered.

But... you have a resistor - you have asked him to go or whatever and they refuse. It's pretty simple, you put them down, you cuff them, you pick them up, and move them. Because I only carried a weapon and baton, no mace, pepperspray or taser, I would likely have threatened baton with the guy, then used the baton, not to hit, but to leverage his arms for the cuffing. It's possible, I would have dug in to cause some pain to get his attention. And StingArmy, yeah, if the kid reached for the weapon, of course, I would have beat the piss out of him with my baton.

Regarding snatching him up - that may have not been their prerogative - it might have been that they were there under guidelines from their watch commanders to remove anyone that some appointed person says. I did "security patrol" at a Harvey Milk speech once and Milk's chief of staff was the guy we reported to - people were allowed to talk, and he was the one who made the decision if they had to be removed. They wouldn't have been arrested, just removed - unless they resisted.

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So I'm ignorant of the law apparently. What is the right to remove someone?

Do police have the authority to physically move anyone at any time, whether or not they are under arrest?

Doesn't the consitution provide people with protections for the right to assembly and free speech, up to the point of being arrested? If you haven't committed a crime, at what point do you lose constitutional protection in a public place?




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Oh, and I would settle for "Sir, you are under arrest for disturbing the peace. Please come along peacefully". If they told him he was under arrest at any point, I don't have a problem with the actions of the police.




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