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Since: 10.4.02
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#1 Posted on
I know they've turned Ric about fifty times since he returned to WWE, but thank god he's back as a heel.

I was going to get sick if I had to watch any more of those ridiculous backstage area segments with Flair kissing some young punk's ass: "RVD, you're the man" or "Jeff, you've really got it brother"--give me a fucking break already!

This is the 16 World Champion and the supposed "Dirtiest Player in the Game", I don't need to see him "putting over the young talent". Sure he's 52 and can barely go anymore, but who cares about that, let him do his thing. I'm not talking about any type of run at the top, but let him be Ric Flair.

Have him cut vicious promos on the fans, "Shut up fatboy, your mother rode Space Mountain last night!" Have him work short matches and give people something for their money. I know I'd rather see him work his golden oldie routine for 5 minutes than watch yet another "paint by numbers modern spot fest."

Ric Flair is is a natural heel who spits on everything (hell he showed up in the WWF with the World Title 10 years ago, so much for respecting the rich tradition of the NWA/WCW), why not align him with HHH, the guy "everybody" loves to hate.

(edited by NickBockwinkelFan on 23.9.02 0851)


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#2 Posted on
I don't know about Flair aligining with HHH, but I think a heel Flair will work. Perhaps Flair and Hogan will fight at next year's Wrestlemania in a retirement match.



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Since: 15.1.02
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#3 Posted on
Actually, he came back as a face, then heel, then face again, and that's nowhere near fifty. Personally, being the sister of a Four Horsemen fanatic (right down to the Rolex), I'm gonna hold off on this turn until I get the explanation. Still, I wouldn't be too shocked if the WWE version of the four horsemen would come out of this... But I'll let Flair explain this first then I'll comment on it.

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Since: 11.7.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Forgot about all the good that comes from this for a second: who are now the top faces on Raw? We've got three world class heels in HHH, Flair, and Jericho. But we've got RVD and who at the top of the heel class? Is somebody going to step up? Does RVD now fued with Flair? Does RVD get a rematch? Does Bubba Dudley, Booker T, Kane, or someone else step up to be the top heel?

This seems like another on the fly decision that could create all sorts of problems unless done with the utmost care(and I hope the answer to the above question is not "Jeff Hardy").
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Since: 22.1.02
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#5 Posted on
It seems like the logic is to go with Kane and Booker as the other two big faces.

Is Flair gonna be HHH's waterboy, now?



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Since: 1.2.02
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#6 Posted on
I don't care what they do with him as long as he doesn't get in the ring ever again. I'm a big-time Flair fan and it's embarassing watching him wrestle.

It's time to hang 'em up, Ric. In fact, it's way past time.

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#7 Posted on
The real problem is the last few heel runs by Flair have been booked to be disasters (insane asylum ring a bell). Last time Flair was really over as a heel was 95-96 during the Pillman version of the Horsemen, pre-NWO era WCW.



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#8 Posted on

As has been said before, the one problem with heel Flair (and also heel Hogan) is that everyone wants to cheer them.

I mean, other than consorting with H-Cubed, what would get people to boo Flair at this point?

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#9 Posted on
The explanation is simple.

He lost matches he would not have if hed have cheated.

HHH pouched him flair lost.

Flair played nice, Rico pinned him.

Y2J pouched him, and he lost.


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Galidor
    The explanation is simple.

    He lost matches he would not have if hed have cheated.

    HHH pouched him flair lost.

    Flair played nice, Rico pinned him.

    Y2J pouched him, and he lost.


    Being nice, and losing, is no fun at all.



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Since: 26.8.02

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#11 Posted on
Yeah, like The Brain always said, "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."


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#12 Posted on
what's not in english

Flair got pouched By HHH, and lost the title match.

Flair took the high road, didnt play dirty, and got pinned by rico.

Flair got pouched by Y2J last night, and lost.

Learn to read english...
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#13 Posted on
Translation: it doesn't pay for Flair to play nice. Time to get back to being dirty.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    It seems like the logic is to go with Kane and Booker as the other two big faces.

    Is Flair gonna be HHH's waterboy, now?



HHH couldn't even pour Flair's water!





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Galidor
    what's not in english

    Flair got pouched By HHH, and lost the title match.

    Flair took the high road, didnt play dirty, and got pinned by rico.

    Flair got pouched by Y2J last night, and lost.

    Learn to read english...



When exactly did "pouched" enter the wrestling vernacular?
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by InVerse
    Yeah, like The Brain always said, "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."


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Wasn't that Jesse Ventura's line originally?
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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by Galidor
    Learn to read english...


According to dictionary.com, pouched means "to cause to resemble a pouch" or "to swallow".

Now granted, Flair is a little saggy now compared to 15 years ago, but I'd hardly say he resembles a pouch. Even if, that's hardly HHH or Jericho's fault. As for Jericho and or HHH swallowing Flair, I'd prefer not to know. Perhaps HHH is now sleeping with Flair as well, the hedge his bets. If you're going to tell someone to learn English, though, at least use it yourself.


As far as Flair turning heel goes, from day one, I wanted to see Flair christen HHH as the new dirtiest player in the game. It just makes sense. Hate HHH all you want but he's the only person active today who has any possibility of carrying on Flair's mantle. Now they just need to bring in Sting as Edge's spiritual advisor to setup a great HHH/Edge feud. They should be indirectly building up Edge as WWE's version of Sting, but I'm not going to go there because I'll go off on a 5 page fantasy booking spiel.

Regardless, too many people seem positive that Flair is just going to cater to HHH's ego. Even if the storyline starts out that way, you can gauran-damn-tee that it will end with Flair turning on HHH and setting up a match between the two. Personally, I'd like to see Flair, HHH and Jericho reform one last incarnation of The Four Horseman. Not sure who the fouth would be but preferably someone who doesn't have long blonde hair.


    Originally posted by darkdragoon
    Wasn't that Jesse Ventura's line originally?


It might have been. I don't watch old tapes so it's been forever since I heard the line. It's certainly appropriate for either of them.


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(edited by InVerse on 23.9.02 1616)
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#18 Posted on
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#19 Posted on
Come on! The insane asylum bit was AWESOME!
"FIRE ME! I'M ALREADY FIRED!"
That was a great angle...
That aside... I think Ric should stop wrestling... the first thing I though when I saw the Ric Come to the ring is "RVD's gonna get hit" and "Flair's gonna be HHH's manager." HHH could use a Flair-type as a manager right now to freshen up his character... and I LOVE heel Flair promos... I think everyone is with me in that the guy needs to stay out of the ring. Hell, even FLAIR wants to stay out of the ring...



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#20 Posted on
That aside... I think Ric should stop wrestling... the first thing I though when I saw the Ric Come to the ring is "RVD's gonna get hit" and "Flair's gonna be HHH's manager." HHH could use a Flair-type as a manager right now to freshen up his character... and I LOVE heel Flair promos...

I agree wholeheartedly, PoolBoy, by the way, I got that whole FIRE ME I'M ALREADY FIRED promo (actually it was during the fabled Horsemen reunion, not the looney bin) on tape, with near perfect sound and video. This is the advantage of having a Horseman as a big brother, even though he watched that over and over for several months, hence the near perfect. You wanted it or anybody you know, I'll be here.

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(edited by Ringmistress on 23.9.02 1512)


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