Wow, my 100th post. To be honest, never thought I'd see the day. I big thanks goes out to everyone who has posted in response to my threads and comments, even the Mods who have let me post here. BUT, all arbitrary numbers aside...
For my this post (which might be my last, considering the circumstances and my feeling that I have done all I can on wrestling forum boards) I'd really like to get people's opinions on the IWC. As in, what does the IWC mean to all of you posters as fans of this intriguing artform? Do you think it helps or hurts the business? And how do you feel when one of the IWC's "heroes" turns (for lack of a better term) on the 'Net fans. I apologize if this has been posted before, but I hope it stays put in this section. This is a fundamental question that I do not think I have ever seen anyone really discuss. Ha ha, maybe I am not looking hard enough.
In an an interview with Silvervision Distribution, Ric Flair, someone who is highly respected within these areas, said that it really bothers him when fans use insider terms and that it hurts the credibility of the business when they are too "in the know." "Only workers should be using those terms."
Now, usually, when a wrestler says something against the IWC, the IWC turns against them and it really hurts their reputation due to the numerous rumors and bad things fans say and spread. Does anyone think Flair is justified with his claim and will the IWC turn on Flair? A good example of this was Paul Bearer. Paul Bearer was a champion of the IWC and everyone had nothing but positives to say about him. However, after he returned to the WWE and denounced his board and the IWC, it seemed like a lot of people blew up at this and turned on him.
Where does the Honky Tonk Man come into all of this? Well, I guess you could say he is the unofficial champion and hero of the IWC. According to him, his site gets the highest traffic of any wrestler website. He also is one of the first people to totally bash any wrestler (past or present) who has something negative to say to about the IWC. Does anyone think that Honky is just doing this to keep his "smart" fanbase, but really has the same view? I mean, in his latest commentary he totally rips back into Flair. I, personally, used to get upset at guys like HTM and Zenk for being so blunt, but then I just started to just enjoy hearing their views and just left it at that, I think you could say that for anybody.
The bottom line and point of this post is, we have seen what the IWC has somewhat done to Triple H (i.e. spreading rumors, true or not, about all his power and antics, all of this combined with him not being as good as he used to be (1998-2001), has virtually killed all his reactions, at least on TV. Although, I hear he gets good ones at house shows.) If this sort of trend continues where wrestlers knock the Net fans and then to spite them back, the fans just libel them all over the internet and kill their heat, will those kinds of actions damage the business?
Again, sorry if this has been mentioned and for the long post, but I had to provide some background to get to the point. I hope it made sense. Thanks again to everyone.
By the way Flair, did you help with Arn's drug and alcohol rehab bill? If he had not had his head so far up your ass for the last 25 years as he followed you to every cowboy club on earth for your "whooo" party tonight Arn bullshit, he might not have needed rehab!
Wow, another "last post" by someone. He forgot to include the sentence "If you respond to this, you're a real fucking moron", but I digress.
I don't know whether or not Arn's an alcholic... I certainly haven't heard anything about that.
Regarding Triple H... as much as internet fans hate Triple H (and the feeling isn't completely unanimous, I should say), I still hear a tremendous reaction every time his music starts playing. So I don't think it's really made a difference.
Perhaps the biggest and most obvious example of the internet "dirt sheets" affecting WWE was during the Lesnar-Goldberg match at WrestleMania XX. I don't believe the rumor about Lesnar leaving for the NFL had even surfaced outside the internet before the event. But try telling that to the tens of thousands of people at MSG who were letting those two have it.
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">By the way Flair, did you help with Arn's drug and alcohol rehab bill? If he had not had his head so far up your ass for the last 25 years as he followed you to every cowboy club on earth for your "whooo" party tonight Arn bullshit, he might not have needed rehab!<
Well there is a difference between being blunt and being an immature asshole, and thats how guys like Honky Tonk and Tom Zenk have always came off to me. Not remotely humorous, but two bitter ex-wrestlers who just can't get over the fact they aren't getting the reaction no more.
In contrast to other ex wrestlers I've heard like Maxx Payne or Marty Jannetty, neither will see the light of day in a major organization again, both are very honest about what the industry is about, humorous; but don't have to reduce themselves to jackass status to get the point across.
And what exactly is HTM's heat with Flair? Is HTM really a saint? Here's a guy who won the IC belt on a couple fluke occurrences, refused to drop the belt to Savage on the biggest WWF event ever on free TV (which he gloats about) and hes going to act like he is a hero to the insider masses. How many arenas did Honky pack in his day? How many 5 star classics did he have? How many 2 star classics? How many burgers would he be flipping if Vince didn't come up with the perfect heel gimmick. Damned entertaining he was, but also damned lucky he got that shot.
Tonight, we have a chance to say, 'Yeah, you're right. We're too extreme. We're too wild. We're too out of control. We're too full of our own shit.' Or we have a chance to say, 'Hey, fuck you, you're wrong! Fuck you, we're right!' Because you have all made it to the dance. 'Cause believe me, this is the dance! -Paul E
I read Flair's interview, I think he overreacted on what now has become normal terminology like Heel/Face. Really what's the difference of saying good/bad guy or heel/face. If he doesn't like the curtain being pulled then he should talk to his boss who dreamt up 3 seasons of Tough Enough. He's also kinda biting the hand the supports him most, I'd dare to guess that the same folks who used inside terms are the ones who made his DVD the top selling ever... Saying that, I'm not going to hate on Flair for his beliefs. I disagree with him, I think he's thinking of a different era & alittle out of touch, but he's got the right to his opinion. I have my quirks on the IWC too, personally I find it strange when I see people using wrestlers real names when talking about them, I find that odd & alittle self-indulgent. So we all have of our lines, Ric's line seems to be more to the conservative side then most.
Paul Bearer champion of the IWC? Must of missed that. Paul Bearer, I was pretty much indifferent to him when he was under WWE contract, indifferent to him when he left The E, and indifferent now... As for HTM, his posts are on the most part entertaining rants, their opinion pieces plain & simple. If you agree with most of he says, then he's pretty smart & good if you don't you probably think he's a moron. I'm guessing like most opinion writers most people fall in thinking he's somewhere in the middle. Then again I must admit I don't read his stuff all that often (what kind of Net Hack am I?)
As for current WWE stars being part of the net. There are some, Storm is well known to invite fans into his site and communicate with them. Trish answers feedback & questions on her comment board. Hurricane writes up commentary on occasions. Do I think it makes a difference in how much they are liked? I honestly don't think so, I don't think being "net friendly" makes or break any wrestlers popularity. I think it's just an added bonus(a little gravy if you will) for the fans of that particular wrestler if the wrestler has an good relationship online with the fans... Y2J turned heel on the net & told the IWC to screw off when his KOTR 2002 match with RVD got a few criticisms on PWT PPV Feedback. He's recently became more net friendly(coincidental I'm sure now that he's a face. babyface tees need to be sold LoL). But even when he "turned" on the net he was still very supported in his heel run.
I'm picturing, for some reason, a fantasy conversation between Steve Austin and the Chinese restaurant lady from “Dude, Where's My Car”...