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I wasn't watching wrestling when the Hulkster moved over to WCW, so I missed this match. By the time I came back to wrestling, they had wrestled so many times that the thrill of the matchup was gone, but I'd like to know about the first time. How did WCW promote it? When did they fight? Was it any good?



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Well, Flair/Hogan 1 took place on a WWF house show.

For the WCW encounter I don't think their was much storyline behind that. They signed Hogan in June that year, (Right before Hogan was to appear at Vince's Steroid trial.) had a huge contract signing and parade at Disney. Flair, had just turned heel, became the undesputed champ by beating International (NWA) champ Sting. They brought in Shaq for Hogan's corner. And well billed it as you called it, the first ever match between the two, the match 10 years in the making or whatever. I think that was the extent of their first meeting, if I'm wrong someone will correct me.

It was also notable because it became the first time either fed really acknowledged each other. WCW adverstised Hogan as 5 time WWF champ. WWF, in response, started the New Generation ad campaign (knocking Hogan) and ran articles in WWF magaizine about how he was over the hill.

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    Originally posted by Nag
    Well, Flair/Hogan 1 took place on a WWF house show.

    For the WCW encounter I don't think their was much storyline behind that. They signed Hogan in June that year, (Right before Hogan was to appear at Vince's Steroid trial.) had a huge contract signing and parade at Disney. Flair, had just turned heel, became the undesputed champ by beating International (NWA) champ Sting. They brought in Shaq for Hogan's corner. And well billed it as you called it, the first ever match between the two, the match 10 years in the making or whatever. I think that was the extent of their first meeting, if I'm wrong someone will correct me.

    It was also notable because it became the first time either fed really acknowledged each other. WCW adverstised Hogan as 5 time WWF champ. WWF, in response, started the New Generation ad campaign (knocking Hogan) and ran articles in WWF magaizine about how he was over the hill.

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Actually, Flair was still a face when Hogan arrived, and it was during the Sting/Flair match on the Clash of Champions a few weeks before Bash at the Beach where Sherri Martel came out dressed in Sting face paint and then turned on Sting (wow, someone turned on Sting, that never happened) in order for Flair to unify the International and WCW Title, and to rush a Flair heel turn. Once Hogan signed, it was pretty obvious Flair had to turn, but instead of building the match to draw in the viewers and string them along, they hot-shotted the match on the first PPV possible. Then, instead of building the rematch for Starrcade, the 'geniuses' at Turner decided to have the career vs. career match at Havoc, thus allowing Ed Leslie to main event Starrcade '94 (how they survived until the beginning of Nitro in the fall of '95 is still a miracle).



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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nag
    For the WCW encounter I don't think their was much storyline behind that. They signed Hogan in June that year, (Right before Hogan was to appear at Vince's Steroid trial.) had a huge contract signing and parade at Disney. Flair, had just turned heel, became the undesputed champ by beating International (NWA) champ Sting. They brought in Shaq for Hogan's corner. And well billed it as you called it, the first ever match between the two, the match 10 years in the making or whatever. I think that was the extent of their first meeting, if I'm wrong someone will correct me.


Wow. That's, IMO, the EXACT way WWE should have booked Goldberg v. The Rock. Well, aside from the whole International Champion crap.

I mean, seriously. WCW did this totally right. We didn't need Ric Flair to perform concerts. We didn't Hulk Hogan to wear a wig, and have his car die on him. Just Hogan signs with the promotion, they announce the match, sign the contract, build it up as the most important match in wrestling history, and vio-la (or however the hell you spell it); We have a match worth being interested in.

Is it really THAT hard?



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The first actual Hogan/Flair match that mattered happened at Bash at the Beach '94. Yeah, yeah, techinically Flair/Hogan was run on WWF House Shows back in 1991, blah, blah. What happens on TV is what REALLY matters.

The history of both Hogan and Flair's careers was the story, there wasn't really much done on the booking end for that.

In the weeks preceeding the match, they did a swift Flair heel turn where he united the World Heavyweight (like the current WWE version HHH has) with the WCW World Heavyweight Title (the strictly-WCW title) by beating Sting and uniting with Sherri. After that, Hogan decided to get revenge for Sting so Sting could fight Regal for the TV Title (which Sting would later be "too injured" for) and the match was made.

They had this big contract signing with Ted Turner himself (one of his rare, possibly only, apperances on WCW TV) sitting in the middle of Hogan and Flair as they signed the contract in some television studio. They both cut promos on each other and that was that.

As for the match, WCW really overdid the celebrity portion of it, getting Shaq to "raise the hand of the winner" and Mr. T to be in Hogan's corner. Sherri was also in Flair's corner, which isn't exactly the way I envisioned the first match to take place, but whatever.

It wasn't that bad of a match and I'd say it was done mostly right. Hogan didn't need to chase Flair and Flair didn't need to chase Hogan. The match wasn't about that. The buildup for the match was already done in their respective careers leading up to it. The payoff wasn't too bad, but the follow-through in the rematches was pretty abysmal.

They ended Flair's career so Hogan could feud with Ed Leslie. That was pretty sad.

But, the first match was done right, I thought.
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You know, if WCW was smart, they would've insisted that Hogan lose the first match to Flair. I always felt it made WCW look pretty bushleague when their all-time champ Ric Flair immediately lost to the WWF stalwart Hulk Hogan. The Flair heel turn could never have happened, and then the Nature Boy could've beaten Hogan cleanly via pinfall. Hogan looks stunned, but ultimately offers a handshake after the match out of respect for the better man.

And then WCW would've fired Hogan after putting their champ over huge.....ha ha, just kidding. No smark booking here.

Hogan then says he 'didn't take WCW seriously enough' and vows to earn another shot at Flair. Then, in the months leading up to Starrcade, Hogan gets more wins to establish himself, all in the meantime Flair gets gradually more and more heelish until he's openly taunting Hogan and saying he doesn't deserve another shot.

Sorry about the fantasy booking, but to back up what Omega said earlier, is it really THAT hard to book a big match that makes both men (and in this case, WCW as a company) look strong?





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If you really want to see their first WCW match, get ahold of the `Hulk Still Rules' DVD (actually, an awesome set overall for any old-school WWF fan). They have the match in its entirety on there, and its not bad, as far as Hogan-Flair matches go.

Even though that Bash PPV had a lot of silly matches on it, it was a half-way decent show by WCW standards. They seemed to be glowing in the fact that this was their first `mainstream' show, in the sense that people were actually ordering this one. I remember seeing in thinking that this would be where WCW turn the corner and turn into a legit competitor to the WWF.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    You know, if WCW was smart, they would've insisted that Hogan lose the first match to Flair. I always felt it made WCW look pretty bushleague when their all-time champ Ric Flair immediately lost to the WWF stalwart Hulk Hogan. The Flair heel turn could never have happened, and then the Nature Boy could've beaten Hogan cleanly via pinfall. Hogan looks stunned, but ultimately offers a handshake after the match out of respect for the better man.

    And then WCW would've fired Hogan after putting their champ over huge.....ha ha, just kidding. No smark booking here.

    Hogan then says he 'didn't take WCW seriously enough' and vows to earn another shot at Flair. Then, in the months leading up to Starrcade, Hogan gets more wins to establish himself, all in the meantime Flair gets gradually more and more heelish until he's openly taunting Hogan and saying he doesn't deserve another shot.

    Sorry about the fantasy booking, but to back up what Omega said earlier, is it really THAT hard to book a big match that makes both men (and in this case, WCW as a company) look strong?






They really could have stretched it out over 6 months if they had just put a little thought (I know, it was WCW, but still) into it. True, its easier to fantasy book 10 years after the fact, but here's a shot:

Hogan squashes someone at Bash at the Beach, while Flair beats Sting clean, slightly teasing a heel turn. Hogan's first PPV in WCW was going to increase buy rates, so why hot shot it into a title match. Draw the fans in and string them along.

Clash of Champions in August: Vader, Austin, Funk and Arn Anderson destroy Flair; Dustin Rhodes tries to make the save, gets destroyed, Sting tries to make the save, gets destroyed, before Hogan finally cleans house. In shades of Flair going from face in his feud with Nikita Koloff in '85 back to heel, Flair tells Hogan not to do it again.

War Games: Austin/Vader/Funk/Anderson vs. Flair/Sting/Rhodes/Hogan: Hogan is the last man in, and saves Flair from a beatdown. Flair then turns on Hogan (and in the process Rhodes and Sting. I know, what a shock), and Hogan takes a massive beatdown, but does not surrender or submit. Flair finally surrenders/submits, thus causing Hogan's team to lose.

Havoc: Flair vs. Hogan for the World Title. Hogan wins World Title.

Starrcade: Career vs. Career. Hogan defeats Flair.

This booking still has Hogan go over Flair, but in the process it exposes Dustin Rhodes, Arn Anderson, Sting, Steve Austin and Vader to the mass audience. It elevates the rest of the card, while extending the money making feud for over 6 months, and providing reasons for Hogan to face an Austin or Vader during the Spring of '95. And, most importantly, it means no Ed Leslie in the main event of Starrcade '94.



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Redsoxnation, that is good fantasy booking. That would have been awesome.



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Yeah real good idea Redsox; I bet it took you all of 9 years to think it up The only problem I see, is you put Austin in the main event, that's ludicrous. Why would you put Austin in the main when you had the extraordinary drawing power of THE AVALANCHE!?!

I read not all that long ago, that when Hogan first signed the contract it only ran until the end of 1994, because he was thinking of going full-time Hollywood (HA HA). And I heard Flair on WOL way back, say that he was sincere in his plans to retire, and that he wanted to go out on top. If all that were true I can understand why things were so rushed.

Thank god Hogan signed an extension, I dislike the guy, but can't imagine Ed Lesley as WCW champ. Judging by the farce at Uncensored, that would be the guy he would job to.
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