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Since: 21.11.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.20
RAW was Ok for me last night, nothing great but nothing horrible (except Shane). But what RAW really showed me was that Flair is still a wrestling god. His facial reactions with Austin in the ring were priceless. Every wreslter should be mandated by law to watch every interview and match that Flair has ever been in. He can still bring it and is one of the more entertaining wreslters on RAW.

Jericho is the other. I thought he did a good job on RAW, nothing spectacular, but good. What put me over the top was at the end of the main event, a bloodied Jericho climbed to the top of the cage and surveyed the carnage below like a general watching his troops destroy the enemy. The look of smug pride, along with blood coming down his face, was a great way to end the show. It also let's everyone know who is the leader of Team Bischoff.

I wonder if The Helmsley's were watching on their honeymoon? If so, I am sure it ruined HHH's night.



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When I saw the end of Raw with Jericho sitting on the top of the cage to me it look like we got the good stuff.I mean he seem almost like flair in the day.Had control and was enjoying it, we need him in that spot the top heel. I know alot people agree and say that it never happen because of HHH, but I think it will and I also don't think HHH that bad. I do think he need a year off (HHH that is).

(edited by Pike on 28.10.03 2318)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
Yes, HHH hates Chris Jericho more than he's ever hated anything else in the world. He wants to kill his wife and rape his children. Grow up.
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Since: 12.12.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.67
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Yes, HHH hates Chris Jericho more than he's ever hated anything else in the world. He wants to kill his wife and rape his children. Grow up.

You know, except for the "grow up" part, you might be on to something there.

I've heard from a very reliable inside source that Triple H intends to use the McMahon fortune to build a time machine, then go back in time and prevent Chris Jericho from ever becoming a wrestler. I'm surprised Meltzer hasn't covered this yet.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.83
Hey I don't care if HHH hates Jericho. I know alot of people on the board hate HHH and I can see why.



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Since: 21.11.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.20
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Yes, HHH hates Chris Jericho more than he's ever hated anything else in the world. He wants to kill his wife and rape his children. Grow up.


Congratulations. This is the stupidest qoute ever. You must be very proud. idiot.



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Westley: No one of consequence.

Inigo Montoya: I must know...

Westley: Get used to disappointment.

Inigo Montoya: 'kay.
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Since: 27.2.03
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
Ok, that was probably more incindiary than it needed to be, but seriously. You had a perfectly valid point about Flair and Jericho being the highlights of Monday's show, and then you rounded it out with a baffling, pointless attack on HHH based on how you percieve his relationship with Jericho to be. Jericho is the number two heel on RAW, number one with HHH out. That's hardly being held down. Jericho, to my knowledge, has never made a public statement about being displeased with the way the company uses him or about not liking HHH. All the HHH vs. Jericho feuds have done pretty good money, so I can't see how these guys have any issue with each other that precludes working with each other. I just think, if you don't like HHH, there are a lot of reasons for you to do so, but this isn't one of them.
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Since: 21.11.02
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.20
I like HHH. I think he has done a world of good for wrestling. However, I do think that he likes his perch on top and does not like to give that spot up to anyone, especially Jericho. The spot with Jericho on top of the cage looking down on what he had done with a big smile on his face to me made it look like a king looking down on his kingdom. And if you do not think the kingdow is HHH's then you are not paying attention.

HHH is all about the power and the #1 spot. Whatever. That is fine with me as long as he brings it each week to defend the spot. I get annoyed with HHH when he tanks it or has less than stellar matches (Steiner, Nash, Goldberg) and still keeps the top spot. Jericho has had matches with all three of those men and his matches with them were better than HHHs.

I give HHH a ton of credit for restoring the prestige to the belt by holding it a long time. However, I do think he should step down as the #1 heel, for a while at least, and give Jericho a shot to run with that title. HHH will be part of the WWE forever, unless Steffo files for divorce, so he should have no insecurities about giving the limelight to someone else. I just hope that he does sooner than later.



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Since: 12.12.01
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
"I just think, if you don't like HHH, there are a lot of reasons for you to do so, but this isn't one of them."

You are mistaken.
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Since: 24.6.02
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#10 Posted on
Jeez! Here I was thinking this was a thread about Flair and Jericho and how great they are but ALAS, it's ANOTHER one of those endless HHH bashing threads... next please!



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Since: 8.6.02
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
Flairicho is pretty bad-ass. However, I gotta say I'm not as high on Flair as everyone else seems to be. There are times where he's great but he's still a pandering kiss-ass and he always has been. When I see him in media interviews, non-kayfabe, and he's talking about HHH being the best in the business, and how "only three people can tell me I had a bad match", I cringe. It as if the methodolgy in McMahonland is "if you say it enough, people will think its true". Triple H is synonymous with "best in the business" not because anyone would ever come to that conclusion on their own, but because that's what he says repeatedly, and that's what others say repeatedly.

Kurt Angle has completely eclipsed Triple H in so many ways, but none more than the most important way. In "bringing it". Bell time. Let's go, let's see what you got. Yet every time you see an interview on WWE.com you hear how Triple H is the best in the business, like they're not allowed to speak the truth. And with the black wedding I don't that trend will change anytime soon.

Somehow, it's a more bitter bite when Flair acts the same way, because if anyone can afford to say "Triple H is good, but Kurt Angle is better" and not get snaked for it, it's got to be Naitch. As for his on-screen persona, I've liked Flair at different times in my life, but sometimes he just annoys me. Not every situation requires him throwing his hair around and turning beet red and screaming incoherently at the top of his lungs. On RAW he looked rather silly getting that upset over "the man", Triple H, getting a title shot at a crippled Goldberg. Why doesn't anyone, especially after attaining a certain status, stop to say: wait a minute, that's retarded. Flair can get away with that. And we'd all be better off for it.

Jericho is what he is. For a utility guy, a top of the bottom, bottom of the top guy, he's great. He won't be getting a push anytime soon. He won't be on top anytime soon. He'll never be more than #2 not because Triple H hates him, but because Trips will not give that spot to anybody, ever, until he's physically unable to do it. Jericho isn't seen as a top guy, and he doesn't carry himself that way either. Chicken or the egg, I guess, but if he's hungry to be the Champion or the top star, (which he goes out of his way to point out he isn't) the way to go about it is not to act like a cartoon character and throw fits.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
That's a pretty blank refutation, Shapiro. Care to explain a little?
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Since: 12.12.01
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
David A. Meltzer says that some of HHH's best friends in the business have told Dave flat out that Hunter was out to screw Jericho from day one because HHH wanted to be top heel and they had similar looks.

HHH-Jericho Timeline's 3 defining eras:

1) Jericho arrives in August '99 and the DX crew immediately tags him with the label that he doesn't know how to work and can't be a top guy. Jericho does a program with HHH's girlfriend Chyna which features Jericho getting pinned by Chyna.

2) Jericho and HHH have a program in 2000 with a couple TV matches and the PPV match where Jericho comes closer and closer to beating HHH. Only problem is that the program ends without Jericho ever winning and Jericho gets punted back down to a feud with HHH's girlfriend X-Pac.

3) Jericho is given the world title at the end of 2001 (yay), but is booked ultraweak (boo), plays third fiddle to HHH's girlfriend Stephanie McMahon and the dog, and doesn't get a single degree Celcius of heat on HHH leading to their Mania match.



Obviously Jericho has been successful in the WWF despite never making it to the tippity tippity top. Obviously both are professionals and still work with each other. Obviously Jericho is resigned to/happy with where he's at and what he's accomplished. But your statement was that "if you don't like HHH, there are a lot of reasons for you to do so, but this isn't one of them." And I would say that this is quite clearly one of them, regardless of whether or not dissing HHH is trite and overdone.

(edited by JMShapiro on 3.11.03 1136)
Tenken347
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Since: 27.2.03
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
You make a pretty good argument. It's just that I've never seen it in quite the same light. Now, you have some stuff from Melzer and whatnot that backs you up, and you may very well be right. I don't want to make it seem like I take particular issue with you, but when someone tells me flat-out that I'm wrong, I like them to back it up. I'm still not sold on it, but you've given me something to think about.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.05
If HHH was truly out to get Jericho, then under what possible circumstances did he allow the phony Raw title switch in April 2000 to happen? I've never heard this answered by Meltzer or anyone else who preaches this theory. That is probably one of Jericho's biggest career moments to date, and it happened on HHH's back. And, certainly, it would have been obvious to anyone that if you take a popular midcarder and have him look like the uncrowned world champion, it's going to do him some good.
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Since: 12.10.02
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I'm confused with Hogan's My Dad. You spent a lot of time defending Hulk Hogan for the way he plays politics yet you're hating on Ric Flair for his politics.

I too cringe when Flair says some things but I understand he's just playing the game and HE LIKES TRIPLE H! They're friends. Flair LIKES that the most powerful man in the industry looks up to him. I can see why he or anyone would like that.

I've seen Flair endure much more humiliating situations then kissing up to HHH on TV.

On the Chris Jericho topic, also note that he didn't win a PPV match for about 6 months after WrestleMania. You know, just to make sure everyone knew he wasn't Main Event material.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    I'm confused with Hogan's My Dad. You spent a lot of time defending Hulk Hogan for the way he plays politics yet you're hating on Ric Flair for his politics.

    I too cringe when Flair says some things but I understand he's just playing the game and HE LIKES TRIPLE H! They're friends. Flair LIKES that the most powerful man in the industry looks up to him. I can see why he or anyone would like that.

    I've seen Flair endure much more humiliating situations then kissing up to HHH on TV.

    On the Chris Jericho topic, also note that he didn't win a PPV match for about 6 months after WrestleMania. You know, just to make sure everyone knew he wasn't Main Event material.


Flair doesn't seem intent on continuing to be treated as a top guy. Hogan wants to be a draw and wants to be a top guy even at his current age, and Flair doesn't, so they're in two different catogories.

I don't think I "hated" on him. But eh...if he wants to tell people Triple H is the man, and that Randy Orton and Batista are the future, it's his decision. Personally, if Randy Orton and Batista are the future, there is no future.







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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
"If HHH was truly out to get Jericho, then under what possible circumstances did he allow the phony Raw title switch in April 2000 to happen? I've never heard this answered by Meltzer or anyone else who preaches this theory"

I believe we say that, while good, it was still a fast-count and HHH beat him clean two hours later that night. It certainly did him some good at the time, but I don't see how it invalidates anything else. Though something tells me that you do.
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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by fuelinjected


      I've seen Flair endure much more humiliating situations then kissing up to HHH on TV.

      On the Chris Jericho topic, also note that he didn't win a PPV match for about 6 months after WrestleMania. You know, just to make sure everyone knew he wasn't Main Event material.









Yes like kissing a donkey's ass on one of the very last Nitro's


Jericho won a match in his 3rd PPV outing after Wrestlemania. He beat John Cena at Vengance 2002. There not bad odd's concidering Triple H's homeboy Kevin Nash went 4 PPV's in a row with out a win this year.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
    Originally posted by Duck Ass
    Jericho won a match in his 3rd PPV outing after Wrestlemania. He beat John Cena at Vengance 2002. There not bad odd's concidering Triple H's homeboy Kevin Nash went 4 PPV's in a row with out a win this year.


Jericho lost his match against Cena at Vengeance see here for the results. The first match he won was at Unforgiven against Flair, the sixth PPV after Wrestlemania.
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