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After watching Smackdown this week I see the WWe is fianlly doing something right.

Double chokeslam on Angle and Lesnar. Pinning Hogan in a match. This is how Big Show should have been booked since Day One in the WWF.

Instead, he jobs to Austin in his first match...and on free TV no less.

It's really too late to establish credibility for the Big Show. He jobbed to Jeff freaking Hardy for crying out loud.

No, Big Show isn't the greatest worker of all time. He's still better than Nash and Steiner. And when you are as big as him you don't have to be a great worker.

If they treated Show like this in 1999, then they wouldn't be pulling one off stunts every week for ratings right now, they'd have an established huge giant of a star to garner the ratings for them.

I really thought when he came into the WWF that Vince was going to make him a household name. This is an unusual case where WCW did better for a wrestler than the WWF.
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There was the small matter of Show getting too big for his britches literally and figuratively early in his WWE run. If what happened on TV was the only thing that mattered, then yeah this is how they should have booked him from the get go.



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Working with Brock constantly hasn't exactly hurt either. Lesnar can really drag great stuff out of him for some reason.
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by vacheroi
    Working with Brock constantly hasn't exactly hurt either. Lesnar can really drag great stuff out of him for some reason.


I've noticed that, while Big Show get's a lot of flack for a being a shitty worker (which he is), he does have the ability to be carried to good matches. That's more than you can say for a Kevin Nash, nowadays. Plus, Big Show definitley has the goods on the mic. He can cut an excellent promo and has the best facials this side of William Regal.

I don't agree with him being pushed to the main event ahead of so many guys who deserve it more. But, WWE has made up their minds, and there's no changing them. So, after accepting the fact that Big Show will always be in the main event, regardless, I'll say that I really like Big Show.

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In my opinion, it's not so much that Big Show can be carried, so much as it is that his stuff just clicks with some opponants. A lot of guys he wrestles, his stuff looks like shit. But guys like Brock and Booker T just mesh with him real good, and it seems like those are pairings that just can't have a bad match.
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I think Show could use a lot of work as far as his moveset goes. He's sort of stuck on the Andre The Giant page, offense-wise, and that just doesn't exactly light the world on fire.

I think he needs a bit more impact in his moves... a powerslam here and there, something along those lines. Hell, a buddy of mine made the point that he'd do a damned scary-looking Iron Claw, or that trap-muscle/nerve pinch thing Yokozuna did all the time. He's big enough it'd actually look fairly believable.

He knows how to pull off a powerbomb, too... maybe working on some new stuff would help him with the motivation problems he's seemed to have now and then, too.



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    Originally posted by Nate The Snake
    I think Show could use a lot of work as far as his moveset goes. He's sort of stuck on the Andre The Giant page, offense-wise, and that just doesn't exactly light the world on fire.


The way wrestling is today doesn't really favor some big goofy lookin' guy like TBS, he's just on TV too much....a lot of Andre's appeal was he was never in the same place long enough to get stale, and even when he remained in the WWF for the final several years of his career, he was rarely on the jobber shows and only had an occasional match on something like Saturday Night's Main Event or a PPV-caliber show. If I only had to see Show on one show a month, as long as he was booked decently (which he wouldn't be anyway), he'd seem much more impressive than he is now.

Show actually wasn't that bad early in his career from what I remember (same in Andre's case). And, since Show has acromegaly, the same disease Andre had, unfortunately I don't think he's going to get much better in the ring than he is now.




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    Originally posted by KaneRobot

    And, since Show has acromegaly, the same disease Andre had, unfortunately I don't think he's going to get much better in the ring than he is now.



One thing to note about this point is that Andre's acromegaly was never really under control, while Wight's is. I believe I read on the W.O. that he has had the pituitary gland operation and is on a drug treatment for it as well, so it may not progress much further. Andre never had that.





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    The way wrestling is today doesn't really favor some big goofy lookin' guy like TBS, he's just on TV too much....a lot of Andre's appeal was he was never in the same place long enough to get stale, and even when he remained in the WWF for the final several years of his career, he was rarely on the jobber shows and only had an occasional match on something like Saturday Night's Main Event or a PPV-caliber show. If I only had to see Show on one show a month, as long as he was booked decently (which he wouldn't be anyway), he'd seem much more impressive than he is now



That could be the way to book the Big Show...

Have a battle royal/tournament at one of the joint PPVs, with the prize being that the winner can appear on both brands, jumping back and forth whenever he wishes. The Big Show wins, and is allowed to appear on Smackdwon for one cycle, Raw for the next, etc.

I agree with you that part of Andre's appeal was that he never stuck around long enough in an area to become stale. The Big Show, being the only wrestler allowed to go from one brand to the other, could move when the "Holy [BLEEP]! Look at the size of the guy!" factor started dying out.





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    I agree with you that part of Andre's appeal was that he never stuck around long enough in an area to become stale. The Big Show, being the only wrestler allowed to go from one brand to the other, could move when the "Holy [BLEEP]! Look at the size of the guy!" factor started dying out.


Well yeah, but we've already been seeing the Show/Giant since 1995 (wow, I feel old). And allowing him to be on both shows would just increase his visibility, which is what's trying to be combatted here.

I still say WWE dropped the ball by having Show just be a generic monster. Why not have him be a "gentle" giant, like Andre? Show is always hilarious on talk shows, so why not play up that part of his personality.





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I doubt switching Show's um, show would reignite the "Lookit that guy! He's hyuuuge!" factor. It's just the difference between seeing him chokeslam Chris Nowinski and seeing him chokeslam Spanky.

The only people who this would work on are people who only watch one show. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming that is a very low portion of the fans.





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Well I'm one of the guys who only watches one show (Smackdown -- I don't have cable), and not seeing the Big Show for a while wouldn't really introduce the awe of his hugeness. He's already been on WWE TV too long to get that "whoa, he's HUUUUUGE" factor anymore, no matter how long he's out. That being said though, I do enjoy Show in his current role.



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I only get the one show as well, (No Smackdown in Australia ) And the WOW he's huge factor kicked in big time the last time i saw Show which was at Backlash when he wacked Rey Mysterio into the ring post baseball style. It was quite a crowd pleaser.
Now i'l admit that Rey being so small increased the impact of it but the principle still holds true.



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#14 Posted on
Any time a thread about the Big Show pops up, it invariably gets mentioned that he jobbed to Jeff Hardy. Does anybody happen to remember that it was via count out when Show lunged for Jeff and missed, slamming into the guardrail? People make it sound like Jeff Hardy squashed the Big Show and pinned him in the center of the ring...
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The only problem that booking The Big Show as an unstoppable monster from day one is... what do you do with him after awhile?

The old WWF had the same problem with The Undertaker for years. How do you keep a guy like that looking strong for so many years, and not have him in the title picture the whole time. They did the best they could with Taker by wheeling in freak after freak. Taker always went over huge and looked strong against guys like the fake Taker and Giant Gonzalas, but the ring work suffered. Taker was never a big threat to the title, other than his Yokozuna feud, until Kane and the Ministry angle came along.

So, to go back to the point, how would you do this with someone like The Big Show? I really don't think it can be done anymore with so much exposure.

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I think another problem Big Show has when we do the comparison to Andre is simply the size issue. While many others have pointed out that Andre was moved around to avoid losing the "wow" factor, it also needs to be kept in mind that no one had ever seen anyone as big as Andre at the point he got over. Few men, Ernie Ladd and John Studd come to mind, were anywhere near him.

Andre had the advantage of being first. Big Show has come in now, and his image was never protected as Andre's was. And it's also clear he's not the biggest guy around. When he works with Undertaker and Kane, he doesn't appear significantly taller than either of them. Also, now that we've seen Andre who's exaggerated height was never corrected, as well as Giant Gonzales and Giant Silva, Big Show is not the biggest guy in wrestling history. In fact, there are several guys who are around 6'5" or more, that dillute the idea that Big Show is Gigantic. Seeing Triple H handle him easily and seeing Rocky Rock Bottom him without really trying all that hard hasn't helped his aura. However, I like the idea of having him off TV for long stretches. It does help. When his contract runs out (whenever that is) he should be signed to a number of limited appearances.



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What I also see that wrong with Show is that he has a move list of Andre and that just doesn't work in this day. I mean he does a head butt that slow and doesn't look powerful. He has no move that sets up the chokeslam and I think he could be so much better if he change some stuff and it's not much just moves like a powerslam or more working on the backs moves. Also change his outfit.



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    Originally posted by Pike
    What I also see that wrong with Show is that he has a move list of Andre and that just doesn't work in this day. I mean he does a head butt that slow and doesn't look powerful. He has no move that sets up the chokeslam and I think he could be so much better if he change some stuff and it's not much just moves like a powerslam or more working on the backs moves. Also change his outfit.


He did change his outfit when he was with Heyman. He had the dress pants on. After he droped about 20 or so pounds he put the singlet back on. I don't know exactly what a guy his size could wear to make him stand out more.



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    Originally posted by Pike
    What I also see that wrong with Show is that he has a move list of Andre and that just doesn't work in this day. I mean he does a head butt that slow and doesn't look powerful. He has no move that sets up the chokeslam and I think he could be so much better if he change some stuff and it's not much just moves like a powerslam or more working on the backs moves. Also change his outfit.


I would say that Show has a much better moveset than Andre ever did, even if Show's isn't exactly stellar.

I'm becoming a fan of Show as well. Ever since he switched to SmackDown, there's been a renewed sense of purpose for him. He's had some decent matches with 'Taker and Brock, and for once, its interesting seeing him on television. Couldn't say that when he was on Raw.



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