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|  #1 Posted on 14.1.02 0030.57 | Did Michael Cole actually say Ric Flair is a 16-time World Champion when he talked about him on Heat last night? If so, I think he's the very first person to get the number right on air since Flair returned.
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| #2 Posted on 14.1.02 0034.54 | He did say 16, but so did JR on Raw this past Monday. And let's all hope it doesn't end up being 17 any time soon.
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| #3 Posted on 14.1.02 0149.33 |
Well, if you assume 16 was right when WCW was saying it...
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| #4 Posted on 14.1.02 0252.07 | A couple of weeks ago, someone promo-ing in the ring (Vince?) said 14, and JR said, "16, by my count."
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| #5 Posted on 14.1.02 0307.54 | Cool then, as long as someone gets it consistently right.
As much as WCW was going down the toilet in 2000, I still admit it was gratifying to see Flair have a couple of brief World Title reigns in the middle.
Of course, while WCW was whoring around the World Title belt, the longest reign was by a guy from Scream 2...
And that, as they say, is that.
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| #6 Posted on 14.1.02 1158.26 | I'm glad to see that maybe the wwf may start getting some of the facts right.
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| #7 Posted on 14.1.02 1546.15 | Actually...I hate to bring this up...but during the period when, as ekedolphin said, WCW was whoring the title belt, Flair did win the WCW Title from Jeff Jarrett for the 15TH TIME. Flair then was stripped of the belt, then Nash won it in a match with Jarrett and handed it over to Flair who then lost it right back to Jarrett (giving JJ his 19th WCW title win during the week it would seem). No one, including Flair, includes that brief reign. He's technically the 15 Time WCW world champ..and I'm not sure if that includes his WCW International Title Reigns either.
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| #8 Posted on 14.1.02 1849.15 | A quick study of Flair's title reigns, info from Hisa's (www.puroresu.com):
NWA World Heavyweight Championship:
Ric Flair 81/09/17 Kansas City, MO (from Dusty Rhodes)
Ric Flair [2] 83/11/24 Greensboro, NC (from Harley Race)
Ric Flair [3] 84/03/23 Kallang, SINGAPORE (from Harley Race)
Ric Flair [4] 84/05/24 Yokosuka, JAPAN (from Kerry Von Erich)
Ric Flair [5] 86/08/07 St. Louis, MO (from Dusty Rhodes)
Ric Flair [6] 87/11/26 Chicago, IL (from Ronnie Garvin)
Ric Flair [7] 89/05/07 Nashville, TN (from Sting)
Ric Flair [9] 91/05/19 St. Petersburg, FL (from Tatsumi Fujinami)
Stripped on 91/09/08 when Flair signs with WWF, where he claims the "Real World Heavyweight Title"; NWA World Heavyweight Title is vacant for the first time in its history; Flair wins WWF World Heavyweight Title on 92/01/19 in Albany, NY; some reports say Lex Luger, who has won the vacant WCW World Heavyweight Title by defeating Barry Windham on 91/07/14 in Baltimore, MD, is briefly given recognition as NWA World champion by the NWA board, controlled by WCW Vice President Jim Herd; Luger is not recognized by NWA as a former champion.
Ric Flair [10] 93/07/18 Biloxi, MS (from Barry Windham)
recognition dropped by NWA in 93/09 when WCW withdraws from NWA; Flair continues to be recognized as "World Heavyweight Champion" by WCW(so when flair won it, it was still the NWA World Title)
WCW World Heavyweight Championship:
Ric Flair 91/01/11 East Rutherford, NJ
Wins NWA World heavyweight title from Sting; recognized as the first WCW World Heavyweight champion; stripped on 91/07/01 when Flair fired by WCW. (I dont know whether to count this, it's the same belt/reign as an NWA reign... count is 11 with, 10 without)
Ric Flair [2] 93/12/27 Charlotte, NC (from Vader)
Title held-up after a match against Ricky Steamboat on 94/04/17 in Rosemont, IL ends as a double pin.
Ric Flair [3] 94/04/24 Atlanta, GA (Defeats Steamboat in rematch)
unifies "WCW International" World title, defeating Sting on 94/06/23 in Charleston, SC. (again, dont think this adds
another reign)
Ric Flair [4] 95/12/27 Nashville, TN (from Randy Savage)
Ric Flair [5] 96/02/11 St. Petersburg, FL (from Randy Savage)
Ric Flair [6] 99/03/14 Louisville, KY (from Hulk Hogan)
Ric Flair [7] 00/05/15 Biloxi, MS (from Jeff Jarrett)
Stripped by Vince Russo on 00/05/22.
Ric Flair [8] 00/05/29 Salt Lake City, UT (Belt returned to Flair by Kevin Nash)
WWF World Heavyweight Championship
Ric Flair 92/01/19 Albany, NY (Wins Royal Rumble, eliminating Sid Justice)
Ric Flair [2] 92/09/01 Hershey, PA (from Randy Savage)
Count: 21, 20 (if recognizing Flair as both NWA World and WCW World Champion in that one reign, but not counting the unification with big gold belt, or vice versa, or if recognizing both but not the Nash award) 19 (without counting the two iffy Sting victories, or counting one and not counting the Nash award), 18 (if you dont count both, plus the Nash award of the belt) or 17 (if you dont count those 3 OR the windham victory, I've heard some people who didnt want to count this)
Personally, I'm not sure, I'd lean towards 20 or 21
Where do you get 16? More importantly, where does the WWF get 14?
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| #9 Posted on 16.1.02 0306.05 | Okay, hopefully this will answer more questions than it raises. I know The Rick did this a few months ago, but fortunately, I can't remember what he said, so I can go into this....untainted. ;-)
IIRC, they usually don't count the overseas swaps with Race and Fujinami. When the Hollywood Blondes appeared on "A Flair For the Gold" after Flair returned from the WWF but before he started wrestling again, he corrected someone saying he was a "seven-time" champion by saying "Nine." At the time, the talk on r.s.p-w was
he was either including his WWF title victories in the total, or they were retroactively including the Race and Fujinami swaps.
Google thread from 1993
Anyway, if you count him as nine (seven) from that point, it's pretty easy to cook the books - winning from Windham makes 10 (8), Vader is 11 (9), DON'T count the "held up" against Steamboat, DON'T count the "unification" with Sting's "international" title, two times from Savage makes 13 (11), Hogan 14 (12), Jarrett 15 (13), and Nash 16 (14
).
Why'd I count the ones I counted? Well, I went back and checked what I'd had in my own Archives:
"Now I'm not out here crying for Ric Flair because he's thirteen times World Heavyweight Champion. Yeah, that's right, 13 times." - Arn Anderson, 2.11.98 Nitro
"Because, unfortunately, whether anybody alive that watches sports likes it or doesn't like it, I am, not only the fourteen-time World Heavyweight champion - I now - I now am the most powerful person in this sport because I am the President of the greatest, grandest wrestling organisation - WCW - in the entire world, and I call the shots." - Ric Flair, 15.3.99 Nitro (day after defeating Hogan)
"Hey, talk to me face to face, I'll slap the [shit] outta you here tonight, pal. Fourteen times, Mr. One-time." - Ric Flair (to Terry Funk) 31.1.2K Nitro
"Ladies and gentlemen - fifteen times." - CRZ, Nitro 15.5.2K (after Jarrett match)
"You know, at twelve o'clock today, someone very special to
me said 'do not go onto that show tonight knowin' it's the last time you'll ever be on TNT or TBS' - knowing it's the last time, she said to me 'don't go out there and cry - don't go out there and say your sorry' because I'm not - I've been fourteen times the world champion - in my eyes, one of the greatest, you got it! The greatest wrestling organisation in the world - WCW!" - Ric Flair, final Nitro 26.3.1 (presumably now NOT counting his WWF reigns...to make a point on the final night of WCW?)
Looks like they're back to including the WWF reigns again to make sixteen. Makes sense to me. ;-)
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| #10 Posted on 16.1.02 0911.46 | Does the Nash switch count? I can't quite remember the specifics of the Flair->Jericho switch before Nash beat Jericho, but I remember it being odd and Nash going out of his way to say that he was just giving back the belt that Flair never lost. I dunno, I don't think they even know anymore.
They're definitely including the WWF titles again, of course, having even shown the post-Rumble interview with Hennig and Heenan on TV recently.
As an aside, one of the quotes in there reminded me of why, even though his matches were brutal to watch, I got a little enjoyment out of Funk's time at the end of WCW: people got some great lines off against him. There's the Flair one you quote ("Hey, talk to me face to face, I'll slap the [shit] outta you here tonight, pal. Fourteen times, Mr. One-time." - Ric Flair (to Terry Funk) 31.1.2K Nitro) and the time Funk called Bret out after Bret formed his nWo, prompting Bret to calmly say "Well...I just might kill you, Terry Funk!" |
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