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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    Maybe we'll get one last Dudley Boyz WWE run ...


I'm sure that's the case -- and this frees them to join the WWE HOF as well.

I wonder which WWE Superstars are worried today, too. You know there's going to be SOME hiring done. Who would WWE take back (or take)?

Then again, they pretty much could have hired any TNA wrestler they wanted anyway, no? So maybe there won't be much in the way of movement. Though an angle of Sting as TNA's inside guy in WWE might be somewhat entertaining.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
I wonder if Vince would make an attempt to acquire the TNA video libraries? It would make for much more complete DVDs for the likes of Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy or Sting. With the monetary situation surrounding the WWE Network, it might not be a possibility at the moment, but I would think they could easily turn a profit on the video footage if they were able to acquire it.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21
Know what would really sell? An INVASION angle with TNA wrestlers running in from the crowd at WWE shows.

All that's missing is Shane O'Mac.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Know what would really sell? An INVASION angle with TNA wrestlers running in from the crowd at WWE shows.

    All that's missing is Shane O'Mac.


If that means I get to hear this, and see that awesome dance, I'm in!





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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.05
What if the WWE were to offer TNA a television deal on the network? They'd get eyeballs on the network, they'd promote "competition", and they'd get a steady stream of income from TNA without having to buy the company.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.93
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Know what would really sell? An INVASION angle with TNA wrestlers running in from the crowd at WWE shows.

    All that's missing is Shane O'Mac.


Or howabout the "invasion" turning out to be led by Heyman, he's certainly got the mouth to make people care about it.

Edited for spelling (trying to post on a cell phone has it's disadvantages )

(edited by DrewDewce on 29.7.14 0411)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
Hold your horses people. Both TNA and Spike say negotiations are still ongoing.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41
    Originally posted by The Goon
    Know what would really sell? An INVASION angle with TNA wrestlers running in from the crowd at WWE shows.

    All that's missing is Shane O'Mac.


It's pretty safe to assume WWE has a much lower estimation of TNA than even anyone on the internet. They could've already done their own Impact invasion with Sting and AJ* and Daniels and Kazarian and whoever else has been let go (or has wanted to leave and quietly found out there's no interest in them.) Nothing is impossible but a TNA invasion angle is really close. Even if it did, the attitudes and egos which caused the first Invasion to massively under produce are all still there. It would fail in the same ways.

"TNA" has an unremovable taint in WWE's eyes - it's not just that they're incredibly unlikely to bring in a bunch of guys under that name, it's that WWE is going to be weirdly resistant to bringing in *anyone* from TNA. WWE feels those guys are damaged, they've invested time and money filling up NXT with promising undamaged guys**, and there's only so many spots to go around. Jeff Hardy, with his history, is not a sure thing to return to WWE. Kurt Angle is almost definitely not. Guys like James Storm and Bobby Rude who've been around forever will told they have to go thru NXT and will (rightfully) not be thrilled with that idea.

* - given how he's being used in NJPW at the moment and this TNA situation, AJ Styles is the smartest man in the world.

** - Devitt signed today. NXT is rounding into the best indy promotion in the world


    What if the WWE were to offer TNA a television deal on the network? They'd get eyeballs on the network, they'd promote "competition", and they'd get a steady stream of income from TNA without having to buy the company.


This sounds like a workable idea but, even if we can get past WWE's preferences, the math doesn't hold. TNA was reportedly getting $18 million a year from Spike (and losing money on that deal.) WWE gets about $8 a subscription, so subscriptions would have to go up 2.25 million just to break even. TNA is getting less than 10,000 people (maybe much less) to buy their PPVs.


    Hold your horses people. Both TNA and Spike say negotiations are still ongoing.


That's right. Dixie has said that on Twitter. This is odd because this whole story got out when Dixie herself told people of the non-renewal on Friday. So either something's changed or someone's not telling the truth or even Spike just didn't want this story out yet because this is just one domino in a few more changes they're making.

The biggest issue with TNA is Dixie. The reporting on the situation has said Spike has lost faith in her. Maybe she figured out a way to salvage this if she falls on her sword.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Guys like James Storm and Bobby Rude who've been around forever will told they have to go thru NXT and will (rightfully) not be thrilled with that idea.



Kevin Steen's opinion seemed to be that he's pretty much done everything he can at the indy scene so he'll gladly go through whatever performance center/NXT he has to in order to get on the WWE roster. If the WWE really is interested in Storm or Roode they'd be crazy not to have the same attitude. Steen is a lot younger so I guess he can afford a few years of his career but still, WWE is WWE.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.08
http://www.prowrestling.net/article.php?TNA-News-Spike-TV-comments-on-TNA-cancellation-reports-38200 Even if they go out of business no way would WwE do an invasion with TNAS guys TnA never was what WcW was.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Spike just didn't want this story out yet because this is just one domino in a few more changes they're making.


Yeah, Court Bauer said that Spike was going to treat this the opposite of how they pulled the rug out from WWE in 2005, when they publicly pulled out of negotiations and left WWE with no leverage with USA and other channels. This time they're gonna be a bro and go along with the story that negotiations are ongoing. TNA's spin will be that they are leaving Spike due to lack of promotion.

David Lagana is apparently not buying in.


    "TNA" has an unremovable taint in WWE's eyes - it's not just that they're incredibly unlikely to bring in a bunch of guys under that name, it's that WWE is going to be weirdly resistant to bringing in *anyone* from TNA. WWE feels those guys are damaged, they've invested time and money filling up NXT with promising undamaged guys**, and there's only so many spots to go around. Jeff Hardy, with his history, is not a sure thing to return to WWE. Kurt Angle is almost definitely not. Guys like James Storm and Bobby Rude who've been around forever will told they have to go thru NXT and will (rightfully) not be thrilled with that idea.


Jokes about the Thursday night simulcast where Renee Young appears on Impact to buy TNA and then invades NXT are obvious but they are good. I think Full Sail is only 30 minutes from the Impact Zone, so they could conceivably do it all in one episode.

I'd love to see WWE take a bunch of TNA guys -- even if they WWE self-fulfilling prophecy non-pushed all of them -- just to make things interesting. But I could honestly see a scenario where they essentially take no one. "Jeff Hardy on an RVD deal" and "Kurt Angle for the Hall of Fame and no wrestling" seem like the most conservative possibilities, and there are still the obvious hang-ups and hold-ups with both guys.

Their offer to AJ was the same they'd make to '09 Bryan Danielson or any acclaimed indy name, and they had no interest at all in Bad Influence. Roode and Storm at least have the size to keep WWE from completing turning their nose up at them (they thought that their best gets from WCW would be O'Haire and Palumbo, after all), but they'd still have to be willing to go to NXT for NXT money. At the very least you'd hope Ethan Bateman could get back in, but there might be a mentality where if they already cut him, then they couldn't have been wrong.

I predict they sign only Taryn Terrell, but the Bellas get that nixed.

If anybody really wants in, I would contact 2K Sports before Titan Towers. Samoa Joe DLC!

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Kurt Angle is almost definitely not.



Why not?





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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.56
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Meltzer on the LAW says the negotiations were going smoothly until the revelation that Russo was working for the company and TNA had been lying to Spike about it.
I know the actual reveal was something to do with Russo hilariously doing a reply-all or something, but I prefer to believe Spike found out because Russo didn't mute his phone during a conference call and they kept hearing him bang his hands on his desk.

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    This is a promotion that could not stop hiring Vince Russo, even if it killed them.

    AND THEN IT DID
YES.

I, too, also, as well don't want to make too much light out of a bunch of people losing their jobs. TNA had some really talented people I have enjoyed over the years (even currently, giving ECIII a chance to show how good he actually is) and lots of strange entertainment. It's also a show here a video game character escaped a video game and became a real person and won a title, so in many ways, they made this TV show just for me and I appreciate that.

Also, I would have called this thread TNA TO DEBUT DELLECNAC IN OCTOBER or something, so I'm glad I didn't start it.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Kurt Angle is almost definitely not.



    Why not?


* there's a lot of doubt if he'd be medically cleared to wrestle in WWE given his neck history and many other injuries. (TNA doesn't appear to do such screening.)

* He's had public issues with substance abuse, including one a month ago where he looked completely out of it on a plane flight. Kurt says he was sleeping, but WWE writers on the plan thought it was more a stupor.

* Angle had those same issues at the end of his WWE stint, which was why it was The End of his WWE stint. It's been since coldly/callowly explained that WWE didn't want to take the immense PR blowback of an Olympic Gold Medalists dying while under contract, so they demanded he get help or leave. He left. Kurt doesn't seem as dire as he used to be, but there's still that risk.

The best case for Kurt and WWE is, to repeat my new favorite meme, being a WWE 2K1? preorder and a Hall of Fame induction. Maybe even one last match, but only if it's worked almost non-contact like the Bret Hart appearances, and definitely a training job at NXT.

There's just absolutely no way competitive Kurt Angle would ever settle for just that, so it's not going to work. Kurt Angle could keep being Kurt Angle in a Japanese promotion for a while longer, and that seems like where he'd end up.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
SPIKE: Okay, Dixie, we're leaning towards renewing the deal for Impact.
DIXIE: Oh, how exciting!!
SPIKE: But there's just one thing. We just want to make sure that in no way Vince Russo is working for your company.
DIXIE: Uh huh.
SPIKE: You see, we'll renew Impact, but the one thing we don't want to see is Vince Russo's involvement.
DIXIE: No Vince Russo. Got it.
SPIKE: Dixie... we know that when we hang up the phone, Vince Russo is going to call and he's going to want to work for you. We need you to say "No."
DIXIE: Oh, absolutely!
SPIKE: No! Dixie! We know that even though you're going to say "No" while we're on the phone with us, he's going to convince you to say "Yes" to him. Don't talk to Vince Russo. Don't even think about doing business with Vince Russo. The entire future of your company is on the line. Okay?
DIXIE: Oh, absolutely! We look forward to continuing our relationship with Spike.
SPIKE: Okay, then. (hangs up)

(Dixie's Personal Assistant enters the room)

ASSISTANT: Uh, Mrs. Carter? I have Vince Russo on the line. Should I--
DIXIE: Put him through!!!
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
What did Russo do to get the hate from Spike?



Forget it Josh... it's Cerebustown.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What did Russo do to get the hate from Spike?


Have you not seen his work?



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What did Russo do to get the hate from Spike?


Buried Spike Dudley.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.38
It's the man-on-woman violence that Spike has a problem with, right?

Anyway, considering they JUST cut a bunch of people, I can't see WWE spending a whole lot of money on people that they conceivably could have already.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What did Russo do to get the hate from Spike?


    Originally posted by Alex
    It's the man-on-woman violence that Spike has a problem with, right?


They do, but Spike banned it. That's close to the heart of the issue though - I think it's Russo's depiction of women which is the big turn off. Russo's always written women as either Sex Object or Horrible Shrill Sex Object, which only serves to turn off any female viewer. (The rumor that Russo was back started when Velvet Sky and Angelina Love returned to being one note characters again, since that's his move.)

Spike's other male sports properties - Bellator MMA & Glory Kickboxing - are not really succeeding either. There's been hints (and denials) that Spike as a network might soon get a overhaul away from it's bro-focused look to draw in female viewers. TNA using a writer who has a history of pushing away female viewers is not helping. (With Spandex does a better job of elucidating this.)

Lying about hiring Vince Russo is a much bigger issue than actually hiring him.

(We just had the discussion about WWE probably needing to bring in black writers to better write their black characters. Everyone probably could use some women writers too. They could simply use some diversity of heritage and viewpoints. The problem is wrestling companies believe only a handful people are capable of writing for a wrestling company, and those are only the white guys who've written for other companies.)



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