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Since: 17.1.02
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#1 Posted on
The draft is a week away so Im throwing my 2 cents in with the way I think the first round will go. What do you think your team will do? Trade up, down, forget to turn the card in like the Vikings last year?

1 Cincinnati Bengals Carson Palmer (QB USC)

2 Detroit Lions Charles Rogers (WR Mich. St.)

3 Houston Texans Jordan Gross (OT Utah)

4 Chicago Bears Terence Newman (CB Kan. St.)

5 Dallas Cowboys Dewayne Robertson (DT Kentuky)

6 Arizona Cardinals Terrell Suggs (DE Ariz. St.)

7 Minnesota Vikings Jimmy Kennedy (DT Penn St.)

8 Jacksonville Jaguars Byron Leftwich (QB Marshall)

9 Carolina Panthers Andre Johnson (WR Miami)

10 Baltimore Ravens Kyle Boller (QB Cal)

11 Seattle Seahawks Johnathan Sullivan (DT Georgia)

12 St. Louis Rams Marcus Trufant (CB Wash. St.)

13 New York Jets from Washington Taylor Jacobs (WR Fla.)

14 New England Patriots from Buffalo Michael Haynes (DE Penn St.)

15 San Diego Chargers E.J. Henderson (LB Maryland)

16 Kansas City Chiefs William Joseph (DT Miami)

17 New Orleans Saints Eric Steinbach (OG Iowa)

18 New Orleans Saints from Miami Dallas Clark (TE Iowa)

19 New England Patriots Larry Johnson (RB Penn St.)

20 Denver Broncos Troy Polamalu (S USC)

21 Cleveland Browns Bryant Johnson (WR Penn St.)

22 New York Jets Ty Warren (DT Texas A&M)

23 Buffalo Bills from Atlanta Kelly Washington (WR Tenn.)

24 Indianapolis Colts Kevin Williams (DT Okla. St.)

25 New York Giants Kwame Harris (OT Stanford)

26 San Francisco 49ers Jerome McDougle (DE Miami)

27 Pittsburgh Steelers Dennis Weathersby (CB Oregon St.)

28 Tennessee Titans Jeff Faine (C Notre Dame)

29 Green Bay Packers Rex Grossman (QB Fla.)

30 Philadelphia Eagles Chris Kelsay (DE Nebraska)

31 Oakland Raiders Wayne Hunter (OT Hawaii)

32 Oakland Raiders from Tampa Bay Willis McGahee (RB Miami)

I really think that the Raiders will trade out of at least one of these spots, either to take a DE earlier in the round or down to take McGahee at some point early in the second. Hunter however would be a perfect fit if he is available at the end of the round, and could be starting at left tackle by mid season.



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Since: 23.5.02
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Well, really no one knows whats gonna happen but going by your draft, I won't be angry if Jeff Faine is #1 pick. But the Titans need a lot of things,especially a corner or reciever.

And I also wouldn't be too angered if we took Willis with the 28th pick.



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#3 Posted on
Since my team has no pick until #49 (Dolphins), and the defense is pretty solid all the way through, I expect they will take the best WR left at that point...

Going down your list, that leaves players like

Anquan Bolden FSU
Brandon Lloyd Illinois
Tyrone Calico Middle Tenn
Teyo Johnson Stanford

May be even a QB if any are left:

Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech
Chris Simms Texas






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Just out of curiosity, anyone think Dorsey's gonna get drafted? At all? I mean, the teams may not be impressed by him, but they can't deny that he wins games.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Just out of curiosity, anyone think Dorsey's gonna get drafted? At all? I mean, the teams may not be impressed by him, but they can't deny that he wins games.

*I* could win games at Miami. No, I don't think he'll get drafted due to his lousy post-Bowl workouts.

Green Bay *will not* draft a QB in Round 1. We have too many other needs. Besides, I think Favre plays another 4-5 years. You can't plan for his retirement.



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I'm not so sure about Kingsbury and Simms. I just don't like Simms due to his inability to win the big games (I still think Appelwhite is a better QB), and I'm afraid Kingsbury is more of a system QB. Of course, I haven't paid much attention to the workouts...







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Where is Boss Bailey? I'd think SOMEBODY(PLZ CHIEFS PLZ) would take him.
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    Originally posted by flaming mo
    Where is Boss Bailey? I'd think SOMEBODY(PLZ CHIEFS PLZ) would take him.


I'm guessing second, maybe third round.



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He's been projected mid first everywhere I've seen.
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I really doubt that the Raiders will trade up to get a DE. Suggs is clearly the best DE coming out and after him everyone else is pretty much the same. If they want to draft a DE they should just stand pat and they should be able to get a decent prospect.

That is the same strategy my Eagles are expected to employ. My only question is what they do with their 2 second round picks? I personally like Bennie Joppru from Michigan and he should be available when they pick. As for the other pick, it will either be a DE or LB, but the LB prospects are not that good this year.





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Flaming Mo- I had him going to the Chefs but with william joseph there I just thought he made more sense. and after that I had him in my top 2 or 3 for each team but just never felt he filled a need more than anyone else, although I almost plugged him into Green Bays slot.

Iceman- I was thinking WR for the Titans but if you look at haz's list of players still available at WR there wasn't anyone I felt was worthy of a 1st round pick. and with the revolving door at center for the Titans the last couple of years Faine fits well.



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#12 Posted on
I am hoping the Bears actually draft a quarterback.......ah hell, who am I kidding. The Bears will never have a decent quarterback (no, I don't think Kordell is the answer). Even if they did draft one, it wouldn't pan out for some reason or another.
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Since: 17.1.02
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    I really doubt that the Raiders will trade up to get a DE. Suggs is clearly the best DE coming out and after him everyone else is pretty much the same. If they want to draft a DE they should just stand pat and they should be able to get a decent prospect.

    That is the same strategy my Eagles are expected to employ. My only question is what they do with their 2 second round picks? I personally like Bennie Joppru from Michigan and he should be available when they pick. As for the other pick, it will either be a DE or LB, but the LB prospects are not that good this year.




The only problem with standing pat to draft a DE is you will lose out on the true speed rushers that are available, and be stuck with a tweener (good at stopping the run, good at rushing the QB but great at neither). So if one of the premier rushers were to drop to the 20-25 range I can see them reaching like they did with PBuc last year.

Here is a link for those who may be interested in what it would take for their team to move up to reach for a player:
http://www.nfldraftview.com/tvchart.html

ges7184- I could see the Bears drafting Palmer if he slips (Bengals take Newman, then both the Lions and Texans pass and don't trade down)but I think they will draft QB with their second round pick. Someone like Ragone who is still a couple years away, and could learn under Stewart.

CRZ/GURU is there a rule against consecutive posts? should I just edit my previous to add something that I thought of/found later instead of posting again?



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No way the Pats pick Larry Johnson at 19. They will Pick McGahee IF they pick a RB at that spot. I think they will pick a D-line guy at 19 and they use one of there 11 remaining picks to move up to 27-30 to pick McGahee there.

(edited by calvinh0560 on 18.4.03 1242)
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by brick
    Iceman- I was thinking WR for the Titans but if you look at haz's list of players still available at WR there wasn't anyone I felt was worthy of a 1st round pick. and with the revolving door at center for the Titans the last couple of years Faine fits well.



Well, The Titans have Tom Ackerman who can play center as well as any other line positions and long-snapper, So I doubt that they'd draft Faine just for him to sit on the bench. I like Faine I won't be angry if we take him but I don't know where he'll fit in.


I think the Titans are in a good position to where we don't "need" anything with our #1 pick so we can take who we think is the best talent available. Last Year, we took Albert Haynesworth who was too good to pass up at #15. Sure he didn't have a great rookie year but he is too big and strong not to be good.


I remember during the Titans-Steelers playoff game him pushing a Steeler O-Lineman back into Amos Zeroue for a loss. He might not be a sack machine but doing things like that help.






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I am hoping the Steelers will take a Corner is the first round and move Chad Scott to Free Safety. We need something at Free Safety- at this point my 1 year old son could play better defense than Brent Alexander did last season.

I just hope we don't draft Mike Doss- we don't need a run stopping Strong Safety we already have Lee Flowers.

And if I am the Steelers I am moving up in the second round to take Dave Rigone- Rigone will be a solid pro after learning under Maddox for a few years.

Man its good to talk football again.

Edit: Because Brent is not spelled "Brebt"

(edited by Ffej on 21.4.03 0959)


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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by ICEMAN

    Well, The Titans have Tom Ackerman who can play center as well as any other line positions and long-snapper, So I doubt that they'd draft Faine just for him to sit on the bench. I like Faine I won't be angry if we take him but I don't know where he'll fit in.



I'm sorry but I don't see Ackerman as being anything other than a Journeyman backup, at this role he excels since you can plug him in anywhere if someone gets injured, but as far as a starting center he is not going to give you the kind of production that gets your team to the next level. If you plug Faine into this slot you imediatly upgrade your running and passing game.
The Titans had a journey man center last year in DaNapoli and right now they look to have another on in Ackerman, The franchise would be well served to pick up a long term solution, this will add to McNairs comfort level, and help solidify the middle to open holes for George.

CalvinH0560- I thought of putting McGahee in the pats second slot but the team needs a RB now, Johnson can catch the ball, and slug it out in the middle, though I wouldn't be surpised if the Pats pass on RB entirly in the first round and take DL and WR help with their picks, then look at someone like Onterrio Smith or Lee Suggs in the second round. I just think that McGahee is too much of a risk at 17, even though I am hoping the Raiders pick him up (I just want them to trade down into the early second round to do so).



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No way the Brownies draft a WR, they are way too deep at that position. They need defense, and offensive line help.



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This draft is tough to call, simply because I see few (if any) blue-chippers out there.

Let's just hope the Packers end up with some defensive help, since they're sorely lacking on that side of the ball, even moreso now with Holliday gone to Kansas City.



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Since: 23.5.02
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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by brick

      Originally posted by ICEMAN

      Well, The Titans have Tom Ackerman who can play center as well as any other line positions and long-snapper, So I doubt that they'd draft Faine just for him to sit on the bench. I like Faine I won't be angry if we take him but I don't know where he'll fit in.



    I'm sorry but I don't see Ackerman as being anything other than a Journeyman backup, at this role he excels since you can plug him in anywhere if someone gets injured, but as far as a starting center he is not going to give you the kind of production that gets your team to the next level. If you plug Faine into this slot you imediatly upgrade your running and passing game.
    The Titans had a journey man center last year in DaNapoli and right now they look to have another on in Ackerman, The franchise would be well served to pick up a long term solution, this will add to McNairs comfort level, and help solidify the middle to open holes for George.




I know Faine will be a better choice at center than Ackerman but the Titans are sold on him being a center. Dinapoli did decent as center but I always thought he was too small and he was carried by the rest of the line.

I would love for them to draft Faine but I just don't see it happening.



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