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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
Finally the ratings came in

-This week's edition of Raw did a 3.8 cable rating, with a 6 share, according to Nielsen Media Research. That is up from last week's 3.7. The show did hours of 3.7 and 3.8. The highest rated segment of the show was the 4.2 that they did at 10 p.m. for the World Title contract signing angle.-

Raw was a little up this week with a 3.8 (3.7, 3.8) slightly up from last weeks 3.7 (3.7, 3.7)... Once again the first hour did really strong not much of a jump as the show went on. Very surprising that the 10PM timespot was higher then the actual overrun. Can it be? Benoit is actually a decent TV draw? I think it's time to drop Orton from the main event spot, no matter who he's in there with (RVD, HBK, this week) it doesn't draw well.

I don't usually give much thought to weekend numbers but the Heat number really caught my eye.

-WWE got a jolt from Sunday Night Heat, which did a 1.4 cable rating, with a 2 share. That is its highest number in almost a year.

The 2/7 edition of Velocity did a 0.7 cable rating, with a 1 share... The 2/7 edition of Confidential did a 0.6 cable rating, with a 1 share.-


What on earth, Heat did an insanly high number this week. They did have some main stars like RVD and the Dudleyz on it that I guess could be the cause if it having such a high number (Huh high and RVD hehe)





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
Probably a post-football bump coinciding with "Road to Wrestlemania" interest... (In reference to HEAT)
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
They got the viewers, but the question will be whether Michaels' involvement soiled that interest, or if they can keep this angle as a draw heading into WrestleMania.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    Once again the first hour did really strong not much of a jump as the show went on. Very surprising that the 10PM timespot was higher then the actual overrun. Can it be? Benoit is actually a decent TV draw? I think it's time to drop Orton from the main event spot, no matter who he's in there with (RVD, HBK, this week) it doesn't draw well.


Oh come on!!

Firstly, when you have 2 proven Main Eventers in a segment (HHH, HBK), there's a good chance it will be the highest rated segment of a show. Hopefully Benoit's involvement with them will raise his drawing power & you'll end up with another Main Event draw.

Second, to blame Orton for the rating is ridiculous. It was a triple threat match with RVD & Booker (not HBK). They are in the process of building up a new Main Eventer (like everyone on the Net derides the WWE for not doing enough of), & in his first match in the Main Event slot you say drop him because it didn't draw as well as HHH/Benoit/HBK!?
He was in the slot with 2 other high-midcarders & drew probably the second highest rated segment of the show. When he was in the same spot with Foley a couple of weeks ago it was the highest rated of the show. Granted that had A LOT to do with Foley, but the same goes for Benoitís rating this week.
The idea is to mix the midcarders with the Main Event guys & create more Main Event guys. For the first time in a long time, it at least appears that the writers are trying to do this, & are doing it pretty well...
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.63
Von Maestro has a very edged out point there. Exactly when did we last see Randy Orton at the the end of Raw other than with the Evolution faction in a match? It wasn't the most soild match I've seen for main event but IT DIDN'T kill the show. So, give it time, don't yank him out of the spotlight yet because he might turn out well done afterward instead of medium rare. Did that make any sence? Shesh, I have steak on the brain again.



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    Oh come on, the real MVP of Raw last night - ROSCOE P. COALTRAIN!


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher

    What on earth, Heat did an insanly high number this week. They did have some main stars like RVD and the Dudleyz on it that I guess could be the cause if it having such a high number (Huh high and RVD hehe)




I think it's clear that Victoria is bringing in ratings!

The one time I miss Heat and I miss Victoria in that number and RVD.

(edited by GrubbyLongJohns on 12.2.04 1110)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Von Maestro
    Firstly, when you have 2 proven Main Eventers in a segment (HHH, HBK), there's a good chance it will be the highest rated segment of a show. Hopefully Benoit's involvement with them will raise his drawing power & you'll end up with another Main Event draw.

The contract signing was advertised as HHH/Benoit, with no mention of HBK, so I don't think HBK played a big part in the ratings for that segment.

    Originally posted by Von Maestro
    Second, to blame Orton for the rating is ridiculous. It was a triple threat match with RVD & Booker (not HBK). They are in the process of building up a new Main Eventer (like everyone on the Net derides the WWE for not doing enough of), & in his first match in the Main Event slot you say drop him because it didn't draw as well as HHH/Benoit/HBK!?
    He was in the slot with 2 other high-midcarders & drew probably the second highest rated segment of the show. When he was in the same spot with Foley a couple of weeks ago it was the highest rated of the show. Granted that had A LOT to do with Foley, but the same goes for Benoitís rating this week.
    The idea is to mix the midcarders with the Main Event guys & create more Main Event guys. For the first time in a long time, it at least appears that the writers are trying to do this, & are doing it pretty well...

1) Well, the crowds still aren't responding to Orton, so he has to take some of the blame. RVD is the most over of the 3 in that match, but both he & Booker have been buried in the midcard, so it's most likely a combination of those factors.

2) The "new ME'ers" point - when people say they need to build new ME'ers, they mean "established characters that are over, and if they can put on good/great matches, all the better", not "green guys w/ no charisma". They took Orton from being a new guy low on the card and jammed him into the ME scene, with no reason for the fans to care about him. They've got him working w/ Foley, and his heat is still negligible.

What they should have been doing, is making Benoit, RVD, Eddy, etc., ME-level guys, and having Orton, etc., work in the midcard to build them up, before shoving them in the ME, instead of leapfrogging guys who are more deserving.

For my money, I think Conway would have fit in better in Orton's role.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.01
I'll wait and see, but to me any ratings invovled with this title feud are being generated by Shawn Michaels. And even if wasn;t advertised for the spot, every single person in the building knew he was going to come down, and he did.

Benoit is not the star of this match. For anyone who think Michaels presence soils this feud, think of how great it will make Benoit look to beat both HHH and HBK. Marks think Benoit is tough, but they don't buy him as on the same level as HHH and HBK. Raw was a good step in bringing Benoit up to that level, but right now Michaels and Trips are holding him up.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Well, the crowds still aren't responding to Orton, so he has to take some of the blame. RVD is the most over of the 3 in that match, but both he & Booker have been buried in the midcard, so it's most likely a combination of those factors.

    2) The "new ME'ers" point - when people say they need to build new ME'ers, they mean "established characters that are over, and if they can put on good/great matches, all the better", not "green guys w/ no charisma". They took Orton from being a new guy low on the card and jammed him into the ME scene, with no reason for the fans to care about him. They've got him working w/ Foley, and his heat is still negligible.

    What they should have been doing, is making Benoit, RVD, Eddy, etc., ME-level guys, and having Orton, etc., work in the midcard to build them up, before shoving them in the ME, instead of leapfrogging guys who are more deserving.

    For my money, I think Conway would have fit in better in Orton's role.


I can understand the thinking behind the opinion that Orton is a bit green in the ring, but I do not get where you see a lack of charisma? If there's one thing that Orton does have in the ring it's a presence & an ability to connect with the crowd.
I know many on the net are always going to feel bitter when one of their darlings (Benoit, Booker, RVD, etc...) are "passed over" when it comes time to push someone new, but just because someone you think is not as good as those guys is getting pushed doesn't mean they automatically have nothing to offer.

As far as saying that Conway belongs in Orton's spot right now... Well based on what we've seen from both of them so far, I think that's just crazy.
Conway has pretty much been a one note character both in & out of the ring since his debut. He may be a better "worker" than Orton, but he doesn't hold a candle in the charisma department. In the current feud with Foley (that requires story-telling ability over in-ring ability) Orton is the much better choice.

BTW, if you were going to pick a member of La Res to take Orton's spot in this type of feud, I would have picked Dupree way before Conway...

(edited by Von Maestro on 12.2.04 1342)
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
The thing is, Orton hasn't connected w/ the crowd much. His heat is nowhere near what it should be considering his alliance w/ HHH & Flair, his mini-feud w/ HBK, and current feud w/ Foley.

As for Orton/Conway, Conway hasn't gotten 1/10th of the screen time Orton has. He hasn't really been in any feuds or angles, other than his intro w/ Le Res, and he's barely on TV now. He hasn't really been given much in the way of an opportunity to show what else he can do other than "French supporter". But from what I have seen, he's definitely a better worker, and I think he's better on the mic, too. Orton has a tendency to mix up some words ("start what I finished"). I think Conway has shown flashes of charisma in the limited ring time he's been given. Given equal chances, I think Conway would do as good or better than Orton has.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
Argue semantics, but 5 weeks out from Mania (remember, 2 less weeks than many years for build-up) and they are pulling sub 4 ratings. That means no post MNF bounce, let alone no Road to Mania bounce. This is the type of situation that causes Vince to attempt stupid desperation manuevers, and we've seen how little they've helped in the long run the past 2-3 years.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Spiff,

I disagree with your assessment of Orton's connection with the crowd & I also think youíre off on Conway's mic abilities, but that's the nature of being a fan, no? :-)

I think Orton has progressed pretty damn well & his feud with Foley is pretty intriguing. Granted, a lot of that has to do with Foley's work, but it's unfair to totally discount Orton's contributions as well.
I think what Orton lacks in in-ring ability, he is making up for in his ability to tell a story. Their match at WMXX will be hot & it's not going to be just because of Foley.
Besides, if nothing else he has made the IC Title seem more important than it has in years...

I honestly do not see what you see in Conway. I still say that Dupree is the one that shows the huge upside & if they finally dump the stupid La Res gimmick (or at least make it less one dimensional), he will be the breakout star.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
All I know, is that when Orton is there without Foley, he has trouble drawing heat. He should be hated by now. The fans just aren't buying into the "Legend Killer" gimmick.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
"The thing is, Orton hasn't connected w/ the crowd much. His heat is nowhere near what it should be considering his alliance w/ HHH & Flair, his mini-feud w/ HBK, and current feud w/ Foley."

Thing is, his angle with Foley is only really firing up now, and he wasn't exactly booked as a killer threat against Michaels. In their three matches against each other he's only won one-and that was after Michaels actually got a three-count and had his music played. Maybe he would be hated by now if he hadn't been made to look so ineffectual against the big dogs. Hey-can't have it both ways, right?





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
He hangs w/ HHH. He threw Foley down some stairs. He got to call Foley a coward, and they ran 2-3 weeks of those "friends of Randy Orton" spots. They interacted at the Rumble, the Raw after. That should be enough for him to be getting some good heat for this feud, but aside from when he's interacting w/ Foley, the heat's just not there.

This past Raw, he lured Foley backstage and helped beat him up. Prior booking aside, he's been booked pretty well in the Foley feud. If, on this next Raw, he's still having problems drawing heat, something is wrong.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.66
Well, the Legend Killer gimmick is kinda stupid if he doesn't...you know...kill any legends...

But seriously, Randall K was better off being "Future Franchise Player" or "Third Generation Superstar who is backed by the WWE marketing machine" Randy Orton. There really isn't any cache that comes from the nickname. Honestly, he connects with fans because he is so smug. Still, the E has done a HORRIBLE job of making his matches mean anything; methinks that's why his Main Events have been lackluster. I mean, it wouldn't hurt to have RVD or Booker cut a promo on him, or tease animosity between each other, or be treated like anything other than an afterthought...

Someone said that Orton increased interest in the IC title, but in truth, I saw more in Christian to suggest the belt was meaningful; Orton treats it like he's merely fascinated by shiny objects...
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71
    Originally posted by themaker
    Benoit is not the star of this match. For anyone who think Michaels presence soils this feud, think of how great it will make Benoit look to beat both HHH and HBK. Marks think Benoit is tough, but they don't buy him as on the same level as HHH and HBK. Raw was a good step in bringing Benoit up to that level, but right now Michaels and Trips are holding him up.


The match isn't Benoit vs HHH & HBK. It is Benoit vs HHH vs HBK. In a triple threat match, there are more circumstances which dictate the winner. HHH & HBK could cancel each other out, giving Benoit the win. That does not look good. That looks like HBK & HHH beat each other while Benoit snuck away with the belt. Not a true winner.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.26
We still don't know if they're going to find a way to go the WM X route.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Argue semantics, but 5 weeks out from Mania (remember, 2 less weeks than many years for build-up) and they are pulling sub 4 ratings. That means no post MNF bounce, let alone no Road to Mania bounce. This is the type of situation that causes Vince to attempt stupid desperation manuevers, and we've seen how little they've helped in the long run the past 2-3 years.


The rating five weeks from Mania last year? 4.0
How about the rating two weeks from Mania last year? 3.8

So if Vince pulled any desperation manuvers last year they didn't help, but they didn't hurt either.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by madiq
    But seriously, Randall K was better off being "Future Franchise Player" or "Third Generation Superstar who is backed by the WWE marketing machine" Randy Orton. There really isn't any cache that comes from the nickname.

I think he would have been better off running w/ the RNN gimmick for a bit. It seemed to be clicking w/ the fans, and it would have been a good way to get fans interested in him, while allowing him to rack up some wins up in the midcard.

He's also got to start making the RKO look better, preferably more DDP Diamond Cutter-quality. The way he applies it now just looks bad for a supposed ME-level player. Someone on another board said it looks like Randy should be sceaming "wheeeeeeeeeee!" when he applies it.



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