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As I was watching UFC's weekly syndicated program this evening, I was wondering who'd win a legitimate octagon shoot fight (with UFC rules applied) pitting UFC Middleweight Champion (or some other weight division) Tito Ortiz and WWE World Heavyweight Champion Kurt Angle.

Personally, I think Angle could kick the crap of Ortiz. Tito is a good quick fighter ( I think he goes 6'2" 205 lbs) who has rapid-fire punching but I personally think Angle would destroy him once he gets Ortiz on the ground.

Just wondering what your thoughts are.



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Hard to say....Ortiz is a pretty good mat wrestler himself, and he'd no doubt target Angle's bad neck.

I know I'd pay to see it, however. Personally, the only WWE guys that could probably hold their own in a shoot-fight are Angle, Lesnar, Shelton Benjamin (another college wrestler) and maybe Big Show just because he's so immense -- though a quick fighter would tire him out quickly.




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While I've never seen Ortiz fight before, I'm confident that with Kurt Angle's amateur wrestling background, he could take anyone that doesn't seriously outweigh him - all he has to do is take him down to the ground.



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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Hard to say....Ortiz is a pretty good mat wrestler himself, and he'd no doubt target Angle's bad neck.

    I know I'd pay to see it, however. Personally, the only WWE guys that could probably hold their own in a shoot-fight are Angle, Lesnar, Shelton Benjamin (another college wrestler) and maybe Big Show just because he's so immense -- though a quick fighter would tire him out quickly.


I'm pretty sure Big Show would get his ass whooped hardcore. I've seen a couple UFCs and in one of the very first ones, there was the "world's largest athlete". I don't remember his name, but he was this huge black/samoan? guy. He went up against a small shootfighter. He got taken down, and just pummeled. He got in a few good elbow shots, but that was it. Big guys just don't have the advantage in these fights. Just look at Royce Gracie.
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Unfortunately, I think Ortiz would take Kurt... pretty easily, too... He is a skilled mat fighter, with a decent wrestling background. Kurt is amazing on the mat, an olympic gold medalist... but out in Pride, they have the Japanese world judo champ/olympic gold medalist... and well, he's definately going to be torn apart in the semi finals of the PrideGP... Its just like Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr great great mat technicians, but they's been being beaten left and right lately... hell, I think Shamrock can take Kurt, but Shamrock was DECIMATED by Ortiz in UFC 40.

As for the Big Show... he actually has a decent chance if he gets in some training. I mean, look at Bob Sapp... he doesn't have much experience under his belt, but he uses his size and strength to compensate for not being a sound fighter.

Mat work is no longer key in MMA fights... pretty much because everyone is so well balanced now a days. Kurt would've owned back in the burgeoning days of MMA fighting in America... but now, without adept striking skills, Kurt wouldn't stand much of a chance and would probably be KO'ed... or be challenged on the mat by BJJ masters...

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    Originally posted by kgriffey79
    I've seen a couple UFCs and in one of the very first ones, there was the "world's largest athlete". I don't remember his name, but he was this huge black/samoan? guy. He went up against a small shootfighter. He got taken down, and just pummeled. He got in a few good elbow shots, but that was it. Big guys just don't have the advantage in these fights. Just look at Royce Gracie.


I remember that fight. It was just silly... I think the guy's name was Yarbourough or something like that, and he was billed as being a sumo wrestler. He started off looking impressive, he charged into his opponent slapping away and damn near shoved him through the wall of the Octagon. But he obviously wasn't trained too well. He tapped when he was down on one knee while the guy was punching him in the back of the neck... from the looks of it just because he couldn't figure out what to do next.

If Show were to get some defensive training, and could keep his head, he'd do fairly well... and I would LOVE to see someone fight a guy that big Gracie-style. Not because I'd think it'd be a one-sided fight, but just for the sheer spectacle of seeing some tiny guy clinging on to a huge monster.



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one of the first PRIDEs had an extremely large black dude fighing some little Japanese guy. It might have been the same guy. It was awful, though, cuz the little guy didnt want to get close and the big guy was too slow to do anything. Eventually the little guy one because the fat dude couldnt get up after he went down on the ground with him. Awful awful fight.



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