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Quezzy
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So i've got a decision to make and I thought maybe some of you who are more experienced could help me out. And don't worry i'm not in any wienerboard leagues so the advice will not hurt you.

Ok here's the thing, on my draft list I put all the really good shortstops (A-Rod, Nomah, Tejada) pretty high, then there was a big drop off before I put Kaz Matsui, I put him high enough to be sure to get him, but not high enough to take him too high. Sure enough I got him as my starting shortstop. I personally think he will have a good season, but i'm a hopeless Mets mark. So i'm looking at the players who have not been drafted after the draft and I see that Derek Jeter is on waivers. Jeter doesn't put up great numbers, but he will almost definitely bat around .350 meaning a lot of hits, which there is a good chance will be more than Matsui gets. So here's the question, should I pick up Jeter? And who should I drop out of these guys....

SS Kat Matsui
Util Jeff Kent
Util Hank Blalock
Bench Shawn Green
Bench Mike Cameron
Bench Mike Sweeney

Also Podsenik is also on waivers.

(edited by Quezzy on 25.3.04 2237)


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Umm, I think you should pick Dr. J (Derek Jeter) because, he is just a more consistant player than Shawk or Jeff or Matsui. So ya, that's my advice to you man, Jeter's the guy.



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Since: 13.2.04
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SS Kat Matsui- An unproven player in a bad hitters park
Util Jeff Kent- Aging vet in a terrific hitters park
Util Hank Blalock- Young stud in great hitters park
Bench Shawn Green- Aging vet coming off a lousy season with nobody to protect him in a bad hitters park
Bench Mike Cameron- Gold Glove CF decent offense in Safeco.
Should be okay at Shea
Bench Mike Sweeney- Hitting machine

Just my opinion but unless Green gets some help or a change of scenery I'd choose him or untested Matsui.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.03
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Derek Jeter is on waivers. Jeter doesn't put up great numbers, but he will almost definitely bat around .350


I really hope that was a typo. .350? Almost definitely? Maybe .320. But anyway, Jeter adds a lot to a fantasy team since you don't have to count his fielding (HAW HAW suck it Jeter). He's plus in average, steals and run production and puts up more than enough power for a shortstop. He's really an underrated hitter, the dickhead.

If you can stomach having a Yankee on your team - and I, personally, cannot - then by all means, get Jeter.

The chances of Matsui being a bad hitter aren't very good. He also stands to steal 30-40 bases which could be a real help. He's unproven, but I think worth the risk.

Cameron is going to play all season with a bad foot which will most likely cut his steals in half, at least. Cliff Floyd played last season with the same injury and his steals dropped from 15 to 3. Cameron also didn't hit enough the last two years to be a viable fantasy starter.

Shawn Green's abysmal '03 was both shocking and not, but he's proven more than Cameron over the years and they're the same age.

Jeff Kent is a good hitter at a shallow position and could be great trade bait down the line if you end up not needing him. Blalock is a stud and now he and Teixeira are the RBI men in the texas lineup so keep him.

I'd say drop Mike Cameron - I've done so myself.



Scott Christ

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I don't think I can help much, but I have questions.
How did Jeter make it through to waivers? SS isn't exactly stacked with production. Who is your starting 2nd if you can use Kent as util?
I have Kaz as my SS in one league, the ESPN ranking had him pretty high and I'm assuming they know their stuff.
Cameron's RBI and steal totals are in decline. Sweeney's numbers in general seem to be on the slide, including games played. Green had an injury plagued season and still matched the numbers of Cameron and Sweeney.
I say dump one of them. Keep Kent for later if you're covered at 2nd. Hold onto Kaz if you get Jeter as well. Green SHOULD bounce back.
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Since: 11.7.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.81
You have to pick up Jeter. Your league must be very thin to have him still available. I'd look to dump Cameron who will easily go untouched in your league. Green could still hit 40+ HRs so I keep him. I'd also see who else you have playing first base. Sweeney is not one of the 10 best firstbasemen. If guys like Jeter are on waivers, I think you'll find better than Sweeney on waivers as well.

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What happened was we only had seven players and you have to have an even number of teams to start, so the guy who started the league made a second team and didn't draft any of the top 100 players so we could all get who we wanted, then after the draft was over, he put everyone on the team on waivers, so essentially it's a bye week. Jeter was on the team so he got put on waivers.

And since the league is so small, that means we all got some pretty good players. I have Giambi and Soriano at 1st and 2nd which is why Sweeney and Kent don't start. I figure since I have Soriano, and 2nd base isn't loaded i'll probably keep Kent to trade for pitching.

Thanks for the advice



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Was everyone falling asleep in your league? Wow....

I'd pick up Jeter, dump Cameron, then move on from there. You can probably trade-bait either Kaz or Jeter at that point - either is good enough to start on most teams.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by TheCow
    Was everyone falling asleep in your league? Wow....

    I'd pick up Jeter, dump Cameron, then move on from there. You can probably trade-bait either Kaz or Jeter at that point - either is good enough to start on most teams.


Agreed, but don't look for Jeter to hit .350. He hasn't done that since 1999, and even in that lineup, I don't see him doing that again. Hopefully your waiver priority is high enough that you get him. He's about the fifth best SS in fantasy-land.





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I think you can even make a case for Jeter as the third-best fantasy SS, behind A-Rod and Nomar, but ahead of Tejada and Renteria (the big five which could be the big six if Matsui pans out or the big seven if Matsui and Khalil Greene are successful or...you get it)

Jeter will beat Tejada easily in SB and should beat him in AVG and R. Renteria had a huge year last year but it was the first time he's ever done it.

But let's go O's - TEJADA BABY TEJADA



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Well, now you can't argue who is a better shortstop between Derek and A-Rod because if A-Rod were better he would have taken over Derek's spot. But he didn't, which gives people the impressive DJ is the better man.



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Well. Yes you can argue between Jeter and A-Rod. And A-Rod is a lot better. Just because he didn't take over Captain Yankee's favorite position (which he is abysmally bad at, which A-Rod is not) doesn't mean he isn't a better shortstop. He's a better hitter and better fielder. Jeter is a fantastic baserunner though, he has the edge there. The reason Rodriguez is playing third is because it was too late for Jeter to try to learn third base when he had been practicing as the team's shortstop. Rodriguez hadn't been practicing with them at all.



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    Originally posted by BlazerManiac
    Well, now you can't argue who is a better shortstop between Derek and A-Rod because if A-Rod were better he would have taken over Derek's spot. But he didn't, which gives people the impressive DJ is the better man.


*BUZZ*

They moved A-Rod to 3rd because the main reason they made the deal in the first place (besides the fact that they could) was because of Aaron Boone's knee and most people had correctly felt that he could make the transition to 3rd with his range and arm anyway.

But since Jeter can't play 3rd as well between the two and probably is wasted at 2nd and it makes no sense to make either of them a DH, what the hell else were they going to do to maximize their chances of winning EXCEPT move him to 3rd?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by ScottieKStones
    Jeter will beat Tejada easily in SB and should beat him in AVG and R.


Tejada was hindered by his home park, that should change with the move to Camden Yards. I wouldn't be so sold on the SB's though, the inclination could be for him to run less with Giambi, Rodriguez, Sheffield, Bernie, Matsui, and Posada hitting behind him in some order. Then again, Torre manages like a National League mangager, manufacturing runs and hitting and running and all that.


And, since I'm here, Alex Rodriguez is a MUCH better baseball player than Jeter is period. That's why he's able to make the move to third. Jeter can't hold a candle to Rodriguez's glove at the shortstop position. Or his range or his arm, or his bat.





In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.

Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

Bob Kohm, co-owner of Rotojunkies.com (rotojunkies.com) , and a large market kind of guy.
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Fine fine fine, you both have a point. But I still think that Derek is a more consistant hitter which is why he got the spot.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
You do realize Alex Rodriguez is starting as well, right? Jeter is not half the hitter Rodriguez is, and I'm not being mean to Jeter, who is a very, very good hitter.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by BlazerManiac
    Fine fine fine, you both have a point. But I still think that Derek is a more consistant hitter which is why he got the spot.


You're on crack. In what terms? BA? Plus, SS is one of the most important defensive positions in the game. Rodriguez deferred to Jeter simply because he wanted to get the hell out of Arlington.

A. Rodriguez

03- .298, 47 HR, 118 RBI, 17 SB (Gold Glove, MVP)
02- .300, 57, 142, 9 (GG, 2nd in MVP voting*)
01- .318, 52, 135, 18 (6th in MVP)
00- .316, 41, 132, 15 (3rd in MVP)
99- .285, 42, 111, 21
98- .310, 42, 124, 46 (9th in MVP)
97- .300, 23, 84, 29
**96- .358, 36, 123, 15 (2nd in MVP)

D. Jeter

03- .324, 10, 52, 11
02- .297, 18, 75, 32
01- .311, 21, 74, 27 (10th in MVP)
00- .339, 15, 73, 22 (10th in MVP)
99- .349, 24, 102, 19 (6th in MVP)
98- .324, 19, 84, 30 (3rd in MVP)
97- .291, 10, 70, 23
96- .314, 10, 78, 14 (AL ROY)

*-Top ten finishes in MVP voting.
**-Rodriguez had 142 AB's in 48 games in 1995 and was thusly ineligible for the Rookie of the Year in 1996.
(Thank you Baseball-Reference.com (baseball-reference.com) )

Alex Rodriguez still looks like a better (and more consistant) hitter than Derek Jeter. And, he can steal bases too.





In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.

Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

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    Originally posted by BlazerManiac
    Fine fine fine, you both have a point. But I still think that Derek is a more consistant hitter which is why he got the spot.


Gentlemen, you just cannot argue with logic like this. Plus, he has not discovered the little spell checker button either.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.81
    Originally posted by ScottieKStones
    I think you can even make a case for Jeter as the third-best fantasy SS, behind A-Rod and Nomar, but ahead of Tejada and Renteria (the big five which could be the big six if Matsui pans out or the big seven if Matsui and Khalil Greene are successful or...you get it)

    Jeter will beat Tejada easily in SB and should beat him in AVG and R. Renteria had a huge year last year but it was the first time he's ever done it.

    But let's go O's - TEJADA BABY TEJADA


I'd call Jeter the fourth-best fantasy SS. Tejada will have better numbers this year as will A-Rod and Nomar. Most experts and the ESPN Ranking would rank Renteria higher, but I strongly disagree. Looking at their 3-year averages: BA, HR, SB, Runs, RBI.

Jeter : .309 - 16 - 23 - 107 - 67
Renteria: .300 - 11 - 24 - 76 - 80

Reneria only has a an edge in RBIs. This also includes Jeter's last year playing hurt after the Toronto catcher smashed his shoulder. I would never draft Renteria ahead of Jeter, it's too risky.

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Well, I of course can understand why A-rod would want to get out of Texas, but come on, just because you don't like Jeter dosen't mean that he isn't good. It's just like how I hate Kobe, and don't like saying he's good, but know he is. ADMIT IT!



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