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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.47
Well, there's probably some SPOILERS here, so click away if you haven't seen it yet.









OK, anyways, it was fun. I certainly liked it better then the first SPIDER-MAN film, but there just seemed to be something missing from the whole thing. I'm not entirely sure what, but while I enjoyed it quite a bit, it left me with an odd feeling when it was over.

On to the geek out moments, it was AWESOME of them to throw in Willie Lumpkin, but I could have sworn Lumpkin was a FEMALE, I'm glad they gave Stan Lee the role though, cause usually he's just some random character thrown in for the fans to spot during the film but this time, he's actually a long standing character. They also gave us Alicia Masters, setting up THAT story line, which is good, but she could have waited for a sequel to give her more of a reason to fall for Ben instead of the stray puppy plot line. It was also kinda odd that they make DOCTOR DOOM turn into organic metal, yet give him a metal mask on top of it, that was just kinda dumb to me. That's about it for the nitpicking actually... I'm surprised at myself!

Michael Chiklis stole the show here, with Chris Evans at a close second. The scenes with the two of them are quite touching really because they bring on that love/hate chemistry from the comics to life almost perfectly. I say almost because the film tries to make it look like they absolutely hate each other while most comic fans know they don't 'hate' each other. They respect one another greatly, they just get off on pestering each other, kind of like two brothers. Chiklis, however, really shines in this. It shows even more range for him as an actor in that he can also do comedy along with the drama and action we've seen from him with roles like Vic Mackey, The Commish, and even going back to his depressing Jim Belushi WAY back in Wired.

They set it up for the sequel to be Reed and Sues' wedding. This is kind of another nitpick, I guess, in that it would be far too soon in this series (...if I can call it that yet, I guess?) for them to go with that for the second film. Namor needs to be introduced first, as do the Kree and the Skrulls cause we all know they were all there for the wedding, and that was one of the best parts of Reed and Sues' wedding. I'd probably go with Mole Man or/AND the Puppet Master since they've already hinted at Puppet Master and Mole Man because I'd kill to see Danny Devito play the part.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
I mostly agree with Cerebus, though I think I liked it a bit better than he did. It's certainly nowhere near the heights of Spidey II or even X-Men II, but it's definitely nowhere near the crapfests of The Hulk or Daredevil. What struck me in the theatre was how many kids were in the audience. They all seemed to love it, so maybe Marvel has a new franchise on its hands after all.

Chiklis and Evans were indeed terrific, Gruffoud was ok, and Jessica Alba is just the prettiest thing on this planet. She still seemed too young to play Sue Storm, however.

My big disappointment was Doom. Julian McMahon playing the REAL Dr. Doom would've been awesome; instead, we got the talented McMahon given generic villain-of-the-week lines. The final battle took what, five minutes? If they do make a sequel, I'd love to see Doom brought back as a mastermind in order to give McMahon something to actually do. The retconning of his powers and background was also kinda stupid.


    They set it up for the sequel to be Reed and Sues' wedding. This is kind of another nitpick, I guess, in that it would be far too soon in this series (...if I can call it that yet, I guess?) for them to go with that for the second film. Namor needs to be introduced first, as do the Kree and the Skrulls cause we all know they were all there for the wedding, and that was one of the best parts of Reed and Sues' wedding. I'd probably go with Mole Man or/AND the Puppet Master since they've already hinted at Puppet Master and Mole Man because I'd kill to see Danny Devito play the part.


Marvel is putting Namor into his own film (allegedly starring the Rock?), so they might not want to involve him in another franchise. As for villains for the second film....well, I've already mention mentioned my preference for a 'Doom as the puppet master' story, since frankly, the FF doesn't really have a lot of great villains. The Mole Man? Come on. I could buy the Super-Skrull, possibly.





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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
Gruffund is good. Chiklis & Evans verge on great. McMahon does the most with what he's given. Alba is...there. She never seems out of place, but she also never seems in her element. It seems that they spent way too much time working on the family scenes and giving the core FF members something to do and a reason to be there...that they never came up with a point for the Dr. Doom character. The visual effects were good. The Torch effects were top-notch, while the rest were merely effective and well-done.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44

I went into the movie thinking it was going to be extremely campy, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Another reason that Michael Chiklis might be the most underrated actor on the planet.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Saw this today with the DrOplets. I found it to be very enjoyable, if not over a bit too quickly. Alba surprised me with one of the better action-herione performances I have seen in aquite a while.

They REALLY got the Torch's character down, especially his interplay with the Thing.

Sure, it doesn't have the flow of X or Spidey but their stories aren't the same.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Chiklis and Evans were indeed terrific, Gruffoud was ok, and Jessica Alba is just the prettiest thing on this planet. She still seemed too young to play Sue Storm, however.


This complaint has confused me since they first cast Alba. The actress is 24, and the character was probably about the same age in Fantastic Four #1. Expecting her to be older and more motherly in this movie is like expecting Batman Begins to feature a gray-haired Commissioner Gordon.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
Well Avi Arad is the one constantly parroting the whole DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY DYNAMIC of the group, which I just didn't see in the movie. The dynamic the F4 freaks claim The Incredibles "stole." Its not just that, but Alba is simply NOT convincing as the character at all, especially as a genetic scientist. She doesn't have the chops for Sue Storm. That Paul Walker movie she's got coming out is more in line with what she can play.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.88
My biggest nitpick was the extreme liberties taken with Dr. Doom's origin. The rivalry between himself and Reed Richards wasn't played up at all, but it's probably true that the movie would have been too long. The other problem with Doom's character was the fact that he was supposed to be the worst dictator this side of Saddam Hussein, yet his ties with Latveria were barely mentioned. Although there's always the sequel, I suppose.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by It's False
    My biggest nitpick was the extreme liberties taken with Dr. Doom's origin. The rivalry between himself and Reed Richards wasn't played up at all, but it's probably true that the movie would have been too long. The other problem with Doom's character was the fact that he was supposed to be the worst dictator this side of Saddam Hussein, yet his ties with Latveria were barely mentioned. Although there's always the sequel, I suppose.


From what I can cobble together after numerous Marvel ret-cons, Von Doom was from Latveria and went to university with Reed. Von Doom had his horrible accident, got pissed and blamed Reed and went home and conquered the country while plotting revenge on Reed.

Now that I think of it...his Ultimate origin was pretty much the same, too.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by Freeway420
      From what I can cobble together after numerous Marvel ret-cons, Von Doom was from Latveria and went to university with Reed. Von Doom had his horrible accident, got pissed and blamed Reed and went home and conquered the country while plotting revenge on Reed.

      Now that I think of it...his Ultimate origin was pretty much the same, too.


    Which they basically set up as part of the plot for a sequel. They alluded to their achool days, Doom IS angry at Reed and he IS going home with nothing to do other than tae over the country, reinvent himself and destroy Reed.

    and yes, the last big ret-con during "Heroes Reborn" had Reed, Doom, Henry Pym (Giant/Ant MAn from the Avengers), Tony Starks (Iron Man), David Banner (Hulk) all going to graduate school together, allthewhile being intellectual friends and rivals.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
I thought it was a bit slow on plot, and not being a comic reader, all the interactions seemed well placed. Chicklis grows on me thje more I see him. Hard to believe he was in that god awefull John Belushi biopic.

Nice film, nothing great. The sequel should be better, and as long as they keep putting Alba in those spandex-y suits, I will keep showing up.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by DrOp
      Originally posted by Freeway420
        From what I can cobble together after numerous Marvel ret-cons, Von Doom was from Latveria and went to university with Reed. Von Doom had his horrible accident, got pissed and blamed Reed and went home and conquered the country while plotting revenge on Reed.

        Now that I think of it...his Ultimate origin was pretty much the same, too.


      Which they basically set up as part of the plot for a sequel. They alluded to their achool days, Doom IS angry at Reed and he IS going home with nothing to do other than tae over the country, reinvent himself and destroy Reed.

      and yes, the last big ret-con during "Heroes Reborn" had Reed, Doom, Henry Pym (Giant/Ant MAn from the Avengers), Tony Starks (Iron Man), David Banner (Hulk) all going to graduate school together, allthewhile being intellectual friends and rivals.


    Marvel Ret-Con V2005 is that Heroes Reborn NEVER HAPPENED. However, the upcoming arc in New Avengers suggests that Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Namor, Dr. Strange, Xavier & some other big-wigs in the Marvel Universe have a secret club to keep tabs on everything...and prevent horrible things like Heroes Reborn (which never happened) from ever happening again.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
OKAY.

So, if Heroes Reborn never happened, then Onslaught never happened which means that Xavier was NOT the X-traitor, right?

Where can I read up on this? Damn.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
I'm sorry to even attempt this, but I think it means that Onslaught happened but didn't lead to Heroes Reborn, it led to [whatever the retcon of Heroes Reborn is].

If anyone wants to go over the last five years of X-Men from like The Twelve on, I'd be all ears. How many times did they say Magneto was killed, like four? Polaris is Magneto's daughter? Colossus came back? Jean Grey died? Cyclops and Emma Frost what the butt?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.04
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I'm sorry to even attempt this, but I think it means that Onslaught happened but didn't lead to Heroes Reborn, it led to [whatever the retcon of Heroes Reborn is].

    If anyone wants to go over the last five years of X-Men from like The Twelve on, I'd be all ears. How many times did they say Magneto was killed, like four? Polaris is Magneto's daughter? Colossus came back? Jean Grey died? Cyclops and Emma Frost what the butt?


Magneto got given Genosha as a peace offering after another one of his wacky world domination plots. Colossus seemingly died helping Beast cure the Legacy Virus. When Colossus returned in Astonishing X-Men, he simply stated that it wasn't him who died (but it had to have been a mutant in order to cure the Legacy Virus) and that he'd been kidnapped by Ord (a new AXM villain). Genosha got destroyed by Sentinels and shitloads of mutants killed. Marital problems were compounded as Cyclops & Emma Frost started doing the nasty. Xorn (a Chinese mutant with a star for a head) joined the teaching staff, got the school hooked on drugs, turned out to be Magneto and went on a drug-fueled rampage through New York and was killed by Wolverine (but not before Jean Grey died in the fray) [All of this in Grant Morrison's New X-Men]. Then Chris Claremont ret-conned it: There IS a real Xorn still in China. There is a real Magneto that returned AFTER all the mess, and is/was helping Professor X rebuild Genosha. So the guy who infiltrated the school and caused the whole mess was impersonating Xorn AND Magneto, and nobody noticed. RIIIGHT.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
To return this thread back to talking about the movie...

I enjoyed parts of the movie when I wasn't totally irritated by all the logical and character flaws.

Well, actually, I don't so much want to talk about the movie here as I've done it already on my website. If I may redirect everyone to my review here, which I hope you enjoy: http://www.backofthehead.com/john/index.html

Please forgive the shilling.

The $56 million weekend box office surprised me, but good for them. Avi Arad already announced that a sequel will happen. I wouldn't mind a sequel. I think there's a lot that can be done with the Fantastic Four in a series of movies. I just hope the FF2 is better than this one.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.02
I saw this movie today...it wasn't BAD...but it was kind of cool to see Ben Mulroney as a TV reporter (The same Ben who sickens us all as the MC on Canadian Idol) and seeing the CITY-TV microphone after the bridge scene.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Magneto got given Genosha as a peace offering after another one of his wacky world domination plots. Colossus seemingly died helping Beast cure the Legacy Virus. When Colossus returned in Astonishing X-Men, he simply stated that it wasn't him who died (but it had to have been a mutant in order to cure the Legacy Virus) and that he'd been kidnapped by Ord (a new AXM villain). Genosha got destroyed by Sentinels and shitloads of mutants killed. Marital problems were compounded as Cyclops & Emma Frost started doing the nasty. Xorn (a Chinese mutant with a star for a head) joined the teaching staff, got the school hooked on drugs, turned out to be Magneto and went on a drug-fueled rampage through New York and was killed by Wolverine (but not before Jean Grey died in the fray) [All of this in Grant Morrison's New X-Men]. Then Chris Claremont ret-conned it: There IS a real Xorn still in China. There is a real Magneto that returned AFTER all the mess, and is/was helping Professor X rebuild Genosha. So the guy who infiltrated the school and caused the whole mess was impersonating Xorn AND Magneto, and nobody noticed. RIIIGHT.


No. Colossus DID INDEED die. And he never said it was NOT him who died. He said it was not HIM whose ashes were cremated and thrown into the wind by Kitty. Colossus died curing the legacy virus, and revived by the alien in the Astonishing X-men run.

And it was actually Chuck Austen who retconned the Xorn thing specifically. Claremont just retconned Magneto being done. The explanation, "It was a clone."

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.52

Back to the movie...my kids (10 & 4) have been clamoring to see this what with all the promotion, and fastfood tie-ins.

The 10 year old handled The Revenge of the Sith alright. Is there any content that I would need to be worried about in Fantastic 4 for either of them?








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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.15
    Originally posted by cranlsn
    Is there any content that I would need to be worried about in Fantastic 4 for either of them?


I don't remember any harsh language in it and the violence was rather comic book like, so there's nothing there to be worried about either. About the worst thing was Jessica Alba's skin tight outfit, but I'm guessing YOU'LL be the only one really thinking about that.

Yes, this was a good 'family film'.

Just remind the kids NOT to set themselves on fire cause the guy in the movie thought it was cool.



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