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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5492111

Today, the NFL is in or had discussions of expanding the NFL season to 18 games and would change the amount of regular season games for the first time in over 3 decades.

Thoughts and Analysis:

The Good:
An agreement to two more regular season games means more money for the players and for each respective organization. That being said, this would definitely reduce the likelihood of any lockout for next season. It seems that the NFL has the most worries of any sport in terms of lockouts. Also, this would reduce meaningless preseason games in which players every year are prone to injuries before the regular season.

The Bad:
Injuries. The NFL of all the 4 major sports is the hardest to stay injury-free. 2 extra games definitely increases the injury factor. Also with 16 games, each game is worth more. Now with the possibility of an 18 game season, it does perhaps reduce the excitement and the allure of how much each game is worth (though I will also say it shouldn't reduce the level of game by a whole lot).

I don't think an 18 game season is the answer but if it reduces the likelihood of a lockout, then it may be for the better. I am hoping that players and owners can agree on something that will still keep an 16 game season.

Your thoughts and opinions.......
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I wish the players could somehow force the owners to expand the league to 36 teams in return for 18 regular season games, but that's never going to happen. The 18-game schedule works perfectly with a six 6-team division league...

Play each team in-division home-and-home = 10 games

Then you play two teams from each of the other divisions in your conference = 4 games

Then you play four games against teams from the other conference = 4 games

..for a total of 18 games. The math works perfectly that the schedules could be made that way, too.

(Yeah, it's not going to happen. It would be way better than eight 4-team divisions, though.)



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I hate this. More football I guess is nice, but watching 3rd stringers play isn't going to be pretty.

Careers are going to end up being a lot shorter, so that should mean bigger salaries.

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Back in the 50s/60s, football was a part-time job. Players went back to their real lives and day jobs. They needed training camp, scrimmages, exhibition games, and the lot for the players to get back into football condition.

In the last 10-15 years, football is far and away the lives of these players. They (mostly) all stay in shape during the off season and we're seeing more and more big name players skipping the voluntary workouts because they're staying in shape on their own.

Because of the players staying in better shape, I wish they'd do away with the pre-season all together. If they're that worried about injuries because "the games don't count" then they should do away with them. I don't really look forward to the Pro Bowl anymore because alot of the big names skip it because they don't want to risk injury.

18 games is doable with 32 teams.

6 vs division opponents.
8 vs 2 other same conference divisions, no-play 1 of them every 3 years. (14 total)
4 vs other conference division by 4 year rotation (18 total)

I hope they do something like this for their new 18 game schedule. The point of the Super Bowl is to have the two best teams from EACH conference (at least the BCS is trying to pit the two best overall), so the teams should play more conference opponents. Under my example, there are 14 conference opponents for that tie-breaker.


20 games:
Same as above plus 2 vs same finish in other conference division, no play conference played last season (20 total)


JJD, I love your idea, and I would pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that they would do away with the conferences at the same time.





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I like the idea of an expanded league of 36 teams. If they are going to expand (and they will), you have to have an nice round number to do so ... 33 teams won't cut it in my eyes ...

LA, San Antonio, Las Vegas & an Oklahoma or Nebraska based team ...
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From what I saw on ESPN, I guess the NFL will try to start an 18 game season for the start of the 2012 season. I guess we will probably wait 2 short seasons to see how this all plays out.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I like the idea of an expanded league of 36 teams. If they are going to expand (and they will), you have to have an nice round number to do so ... 33 teams won't cut it in my eyes ...

    LA, San Antonio, Las Vegas & an Oklahoma or Nebraska based team ...


The only one that would never have a team is Vegas, and I think they just hate football in LA.

I actually looked up the census for the largest metro area in Oklahoma and the Oklahoma City is listed as the 44th biggest market with almost 1.2 million people. It's two spaces and about 40K people ahead of the New Orleans area.

Omaha, Nebraska is 59th with about 850k people. I think those two, San Antonio, and the 23rd market, Portland Oregon, would be the best bets.





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Adding four teams would be a massive step that the NFL isn't ready to take right now. Besides, if L.A. gets a team, then where else will owners threaten to move unless their stadium demands are met?

JayJayDean's scheduling idea seems like the easiest. So in a given year, Green Bay would play all of the NFC South and NFC West teams and the AFC East teams. Then the next season, they'd play all of the NFC South and NFC East teams plus the AFC Central teams, and so on.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Because of the players staying in better shape, I wish they'd do away with the pre-season all together.

I apologize if this has been mentioned before and I've just overlooked it, but doing away with the preseason would deprive a whole bunch of borderline players of the opportunity to make it into the NFL. And there are some pretty significant players from the past and present that fall into that borderline category who would have been no more than a blip on the radar had they not gotten the chance to get on the field during the preseason to show they were worth keeping around.

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      Because of the players staying in better shape, I wish they'd do away with the pre-season all together.

    I apologize if this has been mentioned before and I've just overlooked it, but doing away with the preseason would deprive a whole bunch of borderline players of the opportunity to make it into the NFL. And there are some pretty significant players from the past and present that fall into that borderline category who would have been no more than a blip on the radar had they not gotten the chance to get on the field during the preseason to show they were worth keeping around.

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Expanding the league to more teams will only dillute an already shallow pool of really good players. More games means more injuries meaning you are going to need more quality backups to keep the game from being a total disaster. Add to that the new focus on concussions and treatment and you are going to need all the quality warm bodies that you can find.

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I don't know if expanding the season at the same time telling players they are making too much is a good idea, but whatever. I am not a fan of 4 pre-season games, but its one of the few chances for regular people like me to see an NFL game unless its the same weekend as fucking Summerslam and you have a house full of people coming who clog your toliet then you spend $160 to fix it while watching a SummerSlam PPV everyone is making fun of or bitching about after you spent $45 on it. Sorry, had to get that out.

I think 2 games should be enough as well as training camps to decide a roster. Now, the rosters should be extended out to add more players since injuries may occur more often now. Whatever gets football here faster I am all for, but its going to be weird when college football starts a week later. In the end, I do think adding games should be a big bargaining chip for players to get more money, a better medical plan and maybe some guaranteed contracts. The Commish may have given the players a gift while convincing the owners who great it will be for their revenue.

(edited by lotjx on 26.8.10 1940)
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    Originally posted by CRZ
    But that's what the UFL is for!

You know, I actually thought about mentioning arena football, the CFL, and other minor/not-NFL leagues like that, but you just don't hear too many stories about players who successfully made the transition. I hear about Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and (occasionally) Doug Flutie, but it seems to stop there. Maybe I'm just not listening to the right people?

I suppose today's equivalent would be the UFL, and I bet there's more player movement there as it seems there are a ton of former NFL players and coaches who hope to get another shot in the near future. But I think my original point still stands because there won't always be a UFL or AFL or AF2 or whatever to give those borderline players a chance.

Now, if somehow the NFL came up with a legit minor league or farm system (maybe by gobbling up the UFL), then I will have run out of arguments for why the preseason is necessary.

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    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Mayhem

      I like the idea of an expanded league of 36 teams. If they are going to expand (and they will), you have to have an nice round number to do so ... 33 teams won't cut it in my eyes ...

      LA, San Antonio, Las Vegas & an Oklahoma or Nebraska based team ...


    The only one that would never have a team is Vegas, and I think they just hate football in LA.


I know it's forgettable but Las Vegas *did* have the Outlaws!

I wouldn't mind seeing a football team in Toronto or Hawaii (just for the added bonus of seeing people having to go play away games every week!)
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.72
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by Zeruel
        Originally posted by Mayhem

        I like the idea of an expanded league of 36 teams. If they are going to expand (and they will), you have to have an nice round number to do so ... 33 teams won't cut it in my eyes ...

        LA, San Antonio, Las Vegas & an Oklahoma or Nebraska based team ...


      The only one that would never have a team is Vegas, and I think they just hate football in LA.


    I know it's forgettable but Las Vegas *did* have the Outlaws!
AND the Posse.
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    You know, I actually thought about mentioning arena football, the CFL, and other minor/not-NFL leagues like that, but you just don't hear too many stories about players who successfully made the transition. I hear about Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and (occasionally) Doug Flutie, but it seems to stop there. Maybe I'm just not listening to the right people?
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Now, if somehow the NFL came up with a legit minor league or farm system (maybe by gobbling up the UFL), then I will have run out of arguments for why the preseason is necessary.


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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Now, if somehow the NFL came up with a legit minor league or farm system (maybe by gobbling up the UFL), then I will have run out of arguments for why the preseason is necessary.


Sadly, as long as the NCAA exists, I don't think the NFL will ever seriously look into a minor or development league.

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