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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
It's a sad day in America.

The level of hypocrisy is unbelievable.

40% of the Top 10 Rap songs in America use the word ho and worse, where is their accountability?

Where is the apology to the lacrosse team?

Since when is the First Amendment defined by race?

It's a ridiculous double standard...and it's a slippery slope.

I'm in the Metro NYC area, this is going to get worse before it gets better...

Opie and Anthony are getting a pro-Imus protest together for 6:30 AM tomorrow.

Bill of Rights RIP 2007

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.60

    Originally posted by Captaincuba
    Bill of Rights RIP 2007


Here are your rights as an on-air performer.

You say something stupid, you're fired.

The end.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The least the Jackson, Sharpton, conservative tightass, liberal pussy group can do now is agree


Hey... speaking as a conservative tightass. Leave us out of this. MSNBC is liberal, CBS is liberal and Imus is definitely liberal, and so are Sharpton and Jackson.

Conservative tightasses are for the market to determine things. In this case, Jackson, Sharpton and the MSM affected the market.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.03
Am I a bad person because I laughed when I heard the comment? I thought it was funny.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    He didn't say anything worse than 100 rappers and a dozen comics. Watch an episode of the Chappelle show, Family Guy, the Office, HBO, MTV, BET, and you'll hear worse than nappy headed ho.


And according to Media Matters, you can hear worse from OTHER radio talk show hosts.

In comparison to some of these guys, the Imus comments seem pretty tame. Why Imus was singled out for this incident, I'm not sure. I think this is a bad situation that got blown way out of proportion.

EDIT: While most of the comments in that link are awful...for some reason, I couldn't help but laugh at Glenn Beck's comments towards Rosie O'Donnell.

(edited by It's False on 12.4.07 2325)



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by Captaincuba
      Bill of Rights RIP 2007


    Here are your rights as an on-air performer.

    You say something stupid, you're fired.

    The end.


Thank you. This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by Captaincuba
      Bill of Rights RIP 2007


    Here are your rights as an on-air performer.

    You say something stupid, you're fired.

    The end.


What he said was not against FCC Regulations.

Dave Chapelle signed a 50 million dollar contract because of it.

Tawana Brawley

"I'm tired of hearing about the holocaust"

"Hymie Town"

"White Interlopers"

Double standard.

Where was Rev Al when Rosie O'Donnel made the Asian slur?

Hannity AND Colmes both disagree with the decision. Every major new website has a poll up...and they are all in support of Imus.

The people have spoken.

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(edited by Captaincuba on 13.4.07 0844)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by skorpio17
      He didn't say anything worse than 100 rappers and a dozen comics. Watch an episode of the Chappelle show, Family Guy, the Office, HBO, MTV, BET, and you'll hear worse than nappy headed ho.


    And according to Media Matters, you can hear worse from OTHER radio talk show hosts.

    In comparison to some of these guys, the Imus comments seem pretty tame. Why Imus was singled out for this incident, I'm not sure. I think this is a bad situation that got blown way out of proportion.

    EDIT: While most of the comments in that link are awful...for some reason, I couldn't help but laugh at Glenn Beck's comments towards Rosie O'Donnell.

    (edited by It's False on 12.4.07 2325)


If you read the vast majority of those comments, they are either aimed at political figures or are at least made in the context of political debate. The Don Imus comment was neither aimed at political figures nor was it in the context of political debate. You can't spin it as a political position. You can't spin the Rutger's women's basketball team as a group deserving of ridicule. You can try to spin the comment as a joke, but it is so bad, it is hard to do even that. Add to the fact that he made the comment about a specific group of girls instead of just generically, and that is probably what did Imus in.

(I believe the 'You have a camera' comment could have gotten Beck in trouble had the person he was speaking to decided to make an issue out of it. But she didn't, and women's groups just are as aggressive as the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world when it comes to such things.)

(edited by ges7184 on 13.4.07 0715)


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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
The circle of stupidity continues. What’s really the shame here is the Rutgers team has been played as pawns in a game no one wins. Their response should have been “Imus who? Who cares what he says?”.

You are only a victim if you let yourself be. Or let yourself be played as one, which is what Rev. Al and Jesse have made a career out of doing to people who don’t know any better. Now, instead of being the Champion Rutgers Girls Basketball team, they are the black girls who were demeaned and destroyed by the ramblings of an old coot, but have managed to become strong black women, overcoming adversity and discrimination

Now they can go on Oprah and “STRONG AND PROUD BLACK WOMEN” (tm CRZ), in lieu of being booked as champions. Regardless of Color. Which is what Dr. King envisioned, instead of the bastardized “victim complex” that has been promoted by the self -serving for the last 30 years. That’s the tragedy. Self –inflicted tragedy, which is how these things usually work

Imus was a dope to make the comment to begin with, but FUCKING STUPID to get suckered into Sharpton’s game. The only lesson learned here is nothing changes and never will.

The “double standard” for comments only exists because everyone continues to buy into the idea that there is a double standard. It’s moot whether it’s acceptable for Snoop Dogg rather than Imus to say “nappy headed ho’s”, in a public forum. If you allow yourself to be defined by that comment, or the opinions of others, then you are the fool.

But, it’s obviously something that needs to and is going to continue. We all need agendas

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
Just a couple of random thoughts.

1. The first amendment applies to freedom of speech and the government, it does not prohibit consequences in the private sector. You can't say anything you want at work and be protected.

2. The self righteous indignation on both sides is hilarious. The people using this issue (on both sides) don't want to solve this problem it's too good an issue for them.

3. Sharpton and Jackson have tasted blood and I wonder who or what is next.

4. What Imus said was stupid but he wasn't fired for this one infraction.

5. People are against "rules" but true creativity comes to the for within limits often.

6. for MSNBC abd CBS radio to act moral now is a joke. Sponsors quitting did this.

(edited by DrDirt on 13.4.07 0923)


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Now they can go on Oprah and “STRONG AND PROUD BLACK WOMEN” (tm CRZ), in lieu of being booked as champions.


The only thing I've found truly distasteful about that didn't originate from the Imus-side (although, truly it ALL originated there and everyone is just dealing with it) was listening to Rutgers' women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer on Mike & Mike the other morning. I found her portrayal of her and the team's emotions in the days following Imus' remark to be a gross exaggeration, and I totally believe that she and her players would just as soon never had another thought about this whole episode if it hadn't become a national issue.

I would love to hear the true opinion of the Rutgers players. This must have been mostly a surreal roller-coaster ride. I mean, they were on "Oprah" for crying out loud.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
      Now they can go on Oprah and “STRONG AND PROUD BLACK WOMEN” (tm CRZ), in lieu of being booked as champions.


    The only thing I've found truly distasteful about that didn't originate from the Imus-side (although, truly it ALL originated there and everyone is just dealing with it


ALL originated there?

There's a difference between being a racist and being racial.

We've all laughed at harmless racial comedy. If you really believe Imus is a racist in the truest sense of the word then you must believe every comedian who uses racial comedy is racist. Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, George Rodriguez, etc.

Imus was doing his job, which has included racial humor against every ethnicity for the last 20+ years. CBS has made hundreds of millions of dollars and never said a peep.

But when Rev Al and Rev Jackson needed a victim to further their agendas, suddenly Imus is the target. These are both men who have a laundry list of worse comments and actions. I would have had more respect for these "leaders" if they had shown the same compassion that the general public has shown them over the years.

Where is the apology to the lacrosse team? Where is the apology to the jewish community for the comment about the holocaust? Noone wants to admit there is an unspoken double standard when there obviously is.

In the end we should all have the right to say whatever we want, about whomever we want. And noone should have the right to tell me what I can or can not listen to.

I guess I'm the only person on this side of the fence though.

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
CC:Where is the apology to the lacrosse team? Where is the apology to the jewish community for the comment about the holocaust? Noone wants to admit there is an unspoken double standard when there obviously is.

Why should they apologize? Apologies are for suckers (see Imus). They have every right to their opinion, kind of like:

In the end we should all have the right to say whatever we want, about whomever we want. And noone should have the right to tell me what I can or can not listen to.

I guess I'm the only person on this side of the fence though.


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
    Originally posted by Captaincuba

    In the end we should all have the right to say whatever we want, about whomever we want. And noone should have the right to tell me what I can or can not listen to.

    I guess I'm the only person on this side of the fence though.

    CC


We all do have the right to say whatever we wish BUT we also have to accept consequences. No one is telling you what you can or cannot listen to.

There certainly is a double standard and we need an open honest discussion between both sides but they really don't want. This is too good of a hot button issue.

And please, YOU are the ONLY person for freedom. Reread the posts after you get down from your soapbox.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
Sorry about the typos, I'm just really heated over this.

My point in asking for the apology, was to show that there is in fact a double standard.

Why do Rosie and Imus have to apologize, but they don't?

Freedom of Speech dependent on race??? That's a VERY dangerous double standard no?

Steve Harvey actually said that Imus isn't allowed to use that language but he is.

That's insane.

And I never said I was the only one defending freedom...I just feel like I'm the only one defending Imus.

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(edited by Captaincuba on 13.4.07 1131)
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.38
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by skorpio17
      Now how much damage have Jackson and Sharpton done by getting the 3 Duke players kicked out of school, the coach fired, the season cancelled, and the school trashed for complete bullshit that didn't even go to trial.



    Huh? Sorry, I must have missed that news item. I could have SWORN it was Mike Nifong that charged those 3 kids with those crimes. I could have SWORN it was the school that canceled the season and suspended the students in response to the police involvement (which, as far as the suspensions go, is a common practice in college). And I could have SWORN people were trashing Dook, their lacrosse team, and their student body long before any of this went down. I know I sure as hell was! I didn't realize Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had so much influence over that school (and the district attorney too, I suppose).

    As for the comparison to rappers and comics that say similar things, you're right. However, like a billion other people have already pointed out in the media, no one that says these things gets off Scot free. They all get criticized. The difference is that a) those people aren't making derogatory comments about specific women (who did nothing to deserve such personal attacks), and b) whether we like it or not, those people are making far more money for their bosses than Imus was, and money talks.

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The main reason they were prosecuted with no evidence was that Sharpton and co. took up the cause day one and pressured the authorities and school with the usual shakedown threats of protests, boycots, lawsuits, violence, etc. The case fell apart in less than 2 days.

Imus never should have started his apology tour in the first place. He did everything short of burying himself in sand and letting critics throw rocks at his head. He gave Sharpton massive ratings on Sharpton's own radio show.

AWArulz: conservatives are not off the hook as long as O'Reilly, the blond chick from the View, and others call for his head. And don't think they won't piggyback this issue into a bigger campaign against "shock jocks worsening our culture in a post911 world."

To take the telethon off MSNBC thing further. Imus had been responsible for ~20 straight years of helping kids with cancer, autism, and fighting SIDs. Those causing his removal should also be forced to match the lost donations for at least the next 10 years.

Now I hear someone talking about Imus owing "reparations" to Rutgers victims.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
The Doc's right. If I said what Imus said (or, for that matter, most of what a host of performers say) in my workplace at an other than ultra private way - that is, if I was heard by anyone who would report it to HR, I would be fired.

No Tolerance. And no appeal. Goodbye.

It's not a rights issue, it's not a wrongs issue: it's a "we own the ballfrield and if you want to play here are the rule if you violate them we are going to kick you out of the game" issue.

And I am ok with that. After Imus starts his XM show, he will be too.

    Originally posted by Skorpio
    AWArulz: conservatives are not off the hook as long as O'Reilly, the blond chick from the View, and others call for his head. And don't think they won't piggyback this issue into a bigger campaign against "shock jocks worsening our culture in a post911 world."


real conservatives don't consider O'Reilly a conservative, for one thing. I know I don't. O'Reilly himself doesn't.

and "that blond chick from the view" You mean Elisabeth Hasselbeck? Yeah, she's like a total conservative - sitting between three ultra libs - I know, she spoke at some republical things - if she's the best you got.

O'Reilly, I can understand you thinking he's conservative: but trust me: he takes plenty of very liberal stances. You want to pick a conservative in media: What's Rush say? What's Hannity say? What's Hewitt say? What's Gallagher say?

Same answer: Market driven.

They HAD to fire him after all his advertisers pulled. Of course, that wouldn't have happened if Imus had refused to meet with Sharpton, issued a statement of apology, pushed to meet with the girls and refused all interviews. He said a dumb thing. Can his company fire him for it? Yes. Do I care if they do? Not particularly.

Dammit! This is cutting into my Anna Nicole Smith's Daughter DNA testing stories!

(edited by AWArulz on 13.4.07 1419)


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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.57

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Those causing his removal should also be forced to match the lost donations for at least the next 10 years.


How about the millions of people who didn't ever tune in to his show. His lousy ratings were also a big factor in his dismissal.

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Now I hear someone talking about Imus owing "reparations" to Rutgers victims.


Hm. I hear talk radio heads, now in fear of being held accountable for what they say, saying that Imus' firing is an "attack on all talk radio".



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
This just is not IMO a liberal/conservative thing. It was good timing and he went after a sympathetic target. Bingo, instant crap storm for Al and Jesse.

And AWA is correct, most of the people viewed as conservatives, aren't. I wouldn't even call Imus liberal but populist.

And the necon talkers should be very concerned as having tasted success, do you think Al and Jesse aren't loking for their next target?



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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    The Doc's right. If I said what Imus said (or, for that matter, most of what a host of performers say) in my workplace at an other than ultra private way - that is, if I was heard by anyone who would report it to HR, I would be fired.

    No Tolerance. And no appeal. Goodbye.

    It's not a rights issue, it's not a wrongs issue: it's a "we own the ballfrield and if you want to play here are the rule if you violate them we are going to kick you out of the game" issue.

    And I am ok with that. After Imus starts his XM show, he will be too.

      Originally posted by Skorpio
      AWArulz: conservatives are not off the hook as long as O'Reilly, the blond chick from the View, and others call for his head. And don't think they won't piggyback this issue into a bigger campaign against "shock jocks worsening our culture in a post911 world."


    real conservatives don't consider O'Reilly a conservative, for one thing. I know I don't. O'Reilly himself doesn't.

    and "that blond chick from the view" You mean Elisabeth Hasselbeck? Yeah, she's like a total conservative - sitting between three ultra libs - I know, she spoke at some republical things - if she's the best you got.

    O'Reilly, I can understand you thinking he's conservative: but trust me: he takes plenty of very liberal stances. You want to pick a conservative in media: What's Rush say? What's Hannity say? What's Hewitt say? What's Gallagher say?

    Same answer: Market driven.

    They HAD to fire him after all his advertisers pulled. Of course, that wouldn't have happened if Imus had refused to meet with Sharpton, issued a statement of apology, pushed to meet with the girls and refused all interviews. He said a dumb thing. Can his company fire him for it? Yes. Do I care if they do? Not particularly.

    Dammit! This is cutting into my Anna Nicole Smith's Daughter DNA testing stories!

    (edited by AWArulz on 13.4.07 1419)


Before CRZ tells me to shut up, I'll try to explain one last time.

Radio's "rules" are monitored by the FCC. Imus broke no FCC regulations. CBS had allowed and profited from this behavior for the last 20 years.

Mike and The Mad Dog are blasting CBS and MSNBC as we speak on the YES Network. Mad Dog just mentioned that more sponsors have pulled out in response to his firing than did to his comment.

Hannity has gone on record for the last 2 days saying how dangerous this incident this is. He is adamantly against Imus' firing, is calling for Sharpton and Jackson's history of far worse offenses to be brought to the forefront, and has commented on Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy in receiving campaign funds last week at a fund raiser held by hip hop mega-producer Timbaland (who's latest single has 24 instances of racial/misogynistic lyrics). Hannity asked if Hillary (who met with the victims immediately) should return the money in response.

Another point: Obama was on Imus' show to promote his book. You mean to tell me he didn't know about Imus' raunchy radio past? Now, suddenly it's an issue.

Cmonnnnn....open your eyes.

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