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(If a mod feels this is better suited for the Current Events forum, by all means..)

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    Imus made the now infamous remark during his show Wednesday.

    The Rutgers team, which includes eight black women, had lost the day before in the NCAA women's championship game. Imus was speaking with producer Bernard McGuirk about the game when the exchange began on "Imus in the Morning," which is broadcast to millions of people on more than 70 stations and MSNBC.

    "That's some rough girls from Rutgers," Imus said. "Man, they got tattoos..."

    "Some hardcore hos," McGuirk said.

    "That's some nappy-headed hos there, I'm going to tell you that," Imus said.


Wow. Nice work, dumb dumb. These radio show personalities need to learn from Mike and Mike and find a way to be entertaining without pushing the envelope as far as possible. What works for Howard Stern does NOT work for everyone.

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This isn't even near the worst thing Imus has ever said, AND he apologised on FRIDAY. Sharpton and Jackson need to consider (and reconsider) how much hay they want to make out of this before they turn any potential positive discourse stemming from the incident into "business as usual."



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MSNBC has suspended (msnbc.msn.com) Imus' show for 2 weeks, as has CBS Radio, which owns both WFAN, where his show originates from, and the Westwood One network that syndicates it.

The suspension will begin Monday to permit a charity radiothon later this week to go on as scheduled.



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I am not trying to defend Imus, he is an asshole. But is it considered racist to call someone nappy-headed if they are, in fact, nappy-headed? I seriously didn't realize that was a racist term. Some of those girls were rough looking to be sure, but he certainly didn't have to call them hos.




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    Originally posted by kentish
    I am not trying to defend Imus, he is an asshole. But is it considered racist to call someone nappy-headed if they are, in fact, nappy-headed? I seriously didn't realize that was a racist term. Some of those girls were rough looking to be sure, but he certainly didn't have to call them hos.

That's a valid question. I sat here and stared at this post for about five minutes trying to put into words what I was thinking, but alas, I'm not articulate enough to do so. I think, for starters, you can't break up Imus' statement into "nappy-headed" and "hos." I think you have to take it as a whole. Like I said, I wish I could try to explain, but I suck.

It also doesn't help one bit that Imus has always come off as a pretty insensitive prick that doesn't think before speaking. For example, here's a quote from his interview on Sharpton's radio show discussing THIS VERY INCIDENT:


    The meeting prompted a series of testy exchanges, and Imus grew visibly frustrated at times. During one exchange, Imus said he can't win with "you people."


Seriously now. "You people?" Personally, I feel like you can give some people the benefit of the doubt when they say something questionable but Imus is definitely not one of those people.

And CRZ, as far as his apology goes, did you seriously think he WOULDN'T apologize, regardless of whether he actually meant it? Call me cynical, but it's been quite some time since a celebrity has apologized for hateful comments and I believed they were genuinely repentent.

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    And CRZ, as far as his apology goes, did you seriously think he WOULDN'T apologize, regardless of whether he actually meant it? Call me cynical, but it's been quite some time since a celebrity has apologized for hateful comments and I believed they were genuinely repentent.
Then he would have been better off telling Sharpton & Jackson to piss off.

He was right; he CAN'T win.

Why bother? If no apology would be acceptable, better to make no apology and take the two weeks off.

Or MAYBE...since an apology would be the Right Thing To Do, THAT'S why he did it.

(I was going to say something more about the "you people" comment, but it wasn't in the first segment, which made up the entirety of the clip I saw online1, and it also wasn't in the [inexplicably incomplete] New York Times transcript2 either, so I don't feel like I have all the facts, and probably better leave that one alone for now.)

1http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b1_1176147032
2http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/business/media/09imus_transcript.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


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I think the apology would be more believable and/or more appeasing if he did it on his own, preferably during the same broadcast as the original comments. That shows that he recognized that he made a mistake and that he wants to own up to it. I'd have no problem accepting that.

Apologizing two days afterwards, after the uproar has already begun (and probably after your publicist tells you that you've f'ed up royally) is seen by many people as too little, too late. At that point, Imus is right: he can't win. Not unless he goes way beyond a mere obligatory public apology.

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CRZ: (I was going to say something more about the "you people" comment, but it wasn't in the first segment, which made up the entirety of the clip I saw online1, and it also wasn't in the [inexplicably incomplete] New York Times transcript2 either, so I don't feel like I have all the facts, and probably better leave that one alone for now.)

It was perfectly harmless, unless 1) you are being race baited or 2) you're already fucked (and follow it up with a word like "jive")

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Let's keep in mind that even if the comment is not racist at all, it was still an unprovoked insult toward a group of girls. He should have apologized for that, racist comment or not.

That said, this is being totally misplayed by Rutgers and others. Imus is a troll. You shouldn't feed the troll.



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    Originally posted by kentish
    I am not trying to defend Imus, he is an asshole. But is it considered racist to call someone nappy-headed if they are, in fact, nappy-headed? I seriously didn't realize that was a racist term. Some of those girls were rough looking to be sure, but he certainly didn't have to call them hos.


From CRZ's second link:


    SHARPTON. Nappy is racial.

    IMUS. Yes, sir, I understand that.

    SHARPTON. Saying wannabes and jigaboos is racial.

    IMUS. I did not say that, and that was said in the -

    SHARPTON. You didn't argue with it either.

    IMUS. No, no -

    SHARPTON. And it was the same conversation.

    IMUS. No, sir, but that was presented in the context of the Spike Lee film.

    SHARPTON. And again, this was in that film, with light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned blacks. That was what that was about, which is what the analogy, I assume, was being raised in terms of the two teams with Tennessee and Rutgers.

    IMUS. Well, we weren't really thinking about it, that's obvious. If would have been thinking about it, we wouldn't have said it.


I had to actually look up "jigaboo" as the ONLY time I had ever heard that word was in Police Academy I (1984) and it was directed at a black woman, Cadet Hooks ("Don't move, dirtbag!!!"), by a white man, so looking back at it now I thought it had to be racial. I saw the flick for the first time when I was 10 or so, so I didn't think of race back then. I just thought it was an insult.



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Imus was definitely wrong in saying what he said, and he deserves the suspension and possibly being fired.

But... seriously, who made Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton the Patron Saints of All African-Americans? Every time anyone says or does anything that can be interpreted as racist against African-Americans, Sharpton and particularly Jackson are immediately rushing to CNN and calling for that person to lose his job.

After awhile... doesn't it seem like a little petty to anyone else? And again, I'm not justifying what Imus said. But is there anyone of any other ethnicity as quick to jump into the fray when someone says something racist against their ethnic group?



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    But... seriously, who made Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton the Patron Saints of All African-Americans? Every time anyone says or does anything that can be interpreted as racist against African-Americans, Sharpton and particularly Jackson are immediately rushing to CNN and calling for that person to lose his job.

What, didn't anybody tell you Jesse Jackson is the Emperor of Black People?

"Apologize."

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Keeping in mind that I'm only the messenger...

http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSN1126204320070411


    NEW YORK (Reuters) - NBC Universal said on Wednesday it would no longer simulcast Don Imus' radio program over its cable television network MSNBC amid an outcry over sexist and racist comments by the host.






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    Originally posted by JoshMann
    Keeping in mind that I'm only the messenger...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSN1126204320070411


      NEW YORK (Reuters) - NBC Universal said on Wednesday it would no longer simulcast Don Imus' radio program over its cable television network MSNBC amid an outcry over sexist and racist comments by the host.





Considering they couldn't even keep Head-On as advertisers (that may just be the radio show, not the MSNBC simulcast), totally understandable. If no one's going to advertise, then you do what you have to. Not directly for his content, of course. Blame the now ex-advertisers for that.



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DCRTV.com brings up a point that there is a big controversy for someone who gets almost no ratings:


    4/11 - Putting things in perspective. Don Imus in the DC radio market. Despite all the Washington "power players" he has on his show, and all the press he gets, almost no one inside (or outside) the Beltway listens to him. In the latest Arbitrends, Imus, via Clear Channel talker WTNT, was tied for 25th place in morning drive with Fredericksburg country outlet WFLS. He posted a 0.6 share of the age 12+ demo, down almost 50 percent from his 1.0 share a year ago. His national cable TV audience is said to be less than 300,000. That's the population of Loudoun County. Yes, I agree, what Imus said was in terrible taste. But, we must remember, this big controversy surrounds someone almost no one listens to.


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Imus fired from CBS.



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Well, I totally underestimated....actually, I'm not sure what I underestimated, but I sure underestimated it.

I'm sticking with "This is some bullshit."

(Finally moved to Current Events & Politics)

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There is also something called perspective.

I don't even listen to Imus in the morning. I prefer to hear sports talk, even the bland & banal Mike & Mike. But I also believe in freedom of speech and if you don't like what he says, you can turn off your own radio instead of preventing other people from listening.

He didn't say anything worse than 100 rappers and a dozen comics. Watch an episode of the Chappelle show, Family Guy, the Office, HBO, MTV, BET, and you'll hear worse than nappy headed ho.

How much damage has he really done to the Rutgers women? They were willing to listen to his in person apology before calling for his head. The answer is they may have been upset for a day, but they got over it.

Now how much damage have Jackson and Sharpton done by getting the 3 Duke players kicked out of school, the coach fired, the season cancelled, and the school trashed for complete bullshit that didn't even go to trial. (see Tawana Brawley for exhibit 2)

Now how much damage has been caused by MSNBC and WFAN pulling him in the middle of his telethon where he annually raises a shitload of money for kids with Cancer. The least the Jackson, Sharpton, conservative tightass, liberal pussy group can do now is agree to match last year's total donations since this years will fall short and the kids with cancer who would be lucky to even have nappy hair will end up getting screwed.

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Why couldn't MSNBC and WFAN just do another telethon (or continue this one) to make up for this one? Surely people give because it is a good thing to do, not because Don Imus tells them to, right? I have to believe that Don Imus is not the only person in the world capable of running a successful radio telethon. The telethon shouldn't have been relevant (and apparently it wasn't) to the Imus situation.

But I do agree that a mountain was made out of a molehill. I do find it ironic that the Imus comment reached a much larger audience due to this whole blowup than it ever would have if everyone had let it slide (in which case only Imus' small audience would have heard it and it would have been forgotten in a day).

(edited by ges7184 on 12.4.07 1926)


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    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Now how much damage have Jackson and Sharpton done by getting the 3 Duke players kicked out of school, the coach fired, the season cancelled, and the school trashed for complete bullshit that didn't even go to trial.



Huh? Sorry, I must have missed that news item. I could have SWORN it was Mike Nifong that charged those 3 kids with those crimes. I could have SWORN it was the school that canceled the season and suspended the students in response to the police involvement (which, as far as the suspensions go, is a common practice in college). And I could have SWORN people were trashing Dook, their lacrosse team, and their student body long before any of this went down. I know I sure as hell was! I didn't realize Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had so much influence over that school (and the district attorney too, I suppose).

As for the comparison to rappers and comics that say similar things, you're right. However, like a billion other people have already pointed out in the media, no one that says these things gets off Scot free. They all get criticized. The difference is that a) those people aren't making derogatory comments about specific women (who did nothing to deserve such personal attacks), and b) whether we like it or not, those people are making far more money for their bosses than Imus was, and money talks.

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