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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Raw hits a 2.7 rating. (Observer/Figure Four)

Furthermore, PWInsider is reporting that not one segment broke 3.0. To put that in perspective, the first NITRO I could find since the "boom" that couldn't get to 3.0 was 11.20.00, four months before WCW went out of business.

The only possible bright side is that is was easy to find where those 12-49 year old boys went. Straight to ESPN, who broke cable records (Dallas News) on Monday, drawing 18.6 million total viewers.

Also, now that you're in the mood to speculate wildly about future events, PWInsider is also tracking a bubbling story about Jeff Hardy's possible third strike. (PWI via Rajah) I'm sure this'll get its own thread if this turns into anything.

So what now? For the last two months that they've aired regular season Monday Night Football games, ESPN has broken records. It is time to start thinking about moving THE show? Between these two news items, this might be the week to circle on the calendar to look back on if things are drastically different a couple years from now.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.97

I would say those two games are not necessarily indicative of an average MNF game.

The one last year involved the Patriots going for an undefeated season.

This one was a shoot-out involving two of the league's most popular teams and two of the top ten media markets (Dallas and Philly).

It will probably be closer to normal next week, although it is a game involving the Jets and Brett Favre.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Considering how proud they were with the Did You Know segment involving how RAW beat PRESEASON MNF a few weeks ago, can we expect a similar Did You Know segment next Monday following the triumphant return of Nailz?
Time for Jericho and Punk to get blamed and another edition of As The McMahon's Turn to be developed to save the ratings?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.47
Get Edge back on Raw quick. LOL!
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Considering how proud they were with the Did You Know segment involving how RAW beat PRESEASON MNF a few weeks ago, can we expect a similar Did You Know segment next Monday following the triumphant return of Nailz?



That's exactly what I was thinking. But do ratings really matter that much anymore? They still do good enough and get the key demographics to watch. When they were competing against Nitro week in and week out, yeah. I'd think buyrates for PPVs, merchandise, ticket sales were more important.

I really hope this Hardy thing turns into a non-story.

That said, look for the return of MR. MCMAHONS MILLION DOLLAR MANIA soon!
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
Even the Lovely Mrs. Tracker wanted to watch the game. We TiFauxed RAW.

The WWE can't hope for improvement against this week's game AND Heroes returning.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
    Originally posted by MUTigermask
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Considering how proud they were with the Did You Know segment involving how RAW beat PRESEASON MNF a few weeks ago, can we expect a similar Did You Know segment next Monday following the triumphant return of Nailz?



    That's exactly what I was thinking. But do ratings really matter that much anymore? They still do good enough and get the key demographics to watch. When they were competing against Nitro week in and week out, yeah. I'd think buyrates for PPVs, merchandise, ticket sales were more important.

    I really hope this Hardy thing turns into a non-story.

    That said, look for the return of MR. MCMAHONS MILLION DOLLAR MANIA soon!


Please don't say "return" and "Mr. McMahon" in the same sentence. Remember, when he returns we'll be hit with the "who dropped the light structure on him" plotline. I'm not sure we'll ever be ready for that.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.84
Jeff Hardy escorted from plane (UK Sun)

Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by MUTigermask
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Considering how proud they were with the Did You Know segment involving how RAW beat PRESEASON MNF a few weeks ago, can we expect a similar Did You Know segment next Monday following the triumphant return of Nailz?



    That's exactly what I was thinking. But do ratings really matter that much anymore? They still do good enough and get the key demographics to watch. When they were competing against Nitro week in and week out, yeah. I'd think buyrates for PPVs, merchandise, ticket sales were more important.


License fees from USA and other outlets are incredibly important. In their last quarterly report, $24.7 million was generated from licence fees versus $17.9 million for four PPVs (starting with Backlash). (When you add WM into year-to-date totals, PPV slightly outpaces license fee revenue.) Live events totaled $35.3 million, but given that TV serves as an ad for house shows (though, of course, not in the fashion that they once did) a legitimate slump in ratings advertises those events to less while also serving as an indication in a lack of interest that may manifest itself at the box office.

The important thing, of course, is to not freak out over one week's ratings. The lower ratings overall for some time can be a concernt, but unless they stay a bit below three for several months than there's nothing to go crazy about.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83
I love the title of this thread.

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Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

FLEA

("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)




(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 18.9.08 1451)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.82
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

    Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

    FLEA

    ("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)

    His house already burned down and his dog died. How many more family disasters could he possibly have?




    (edited by RYDER FAKIN on 18.9.08 1451)
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

    Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

    FLEA

    ("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)



According to the PWInsider update to this story, Gregory Helms and Matt Hardy were on the plane with Jeff neither left with him so family emergency seems unlikely.

(edited by Llakor on 18.9.08 1540)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
    Originally posted by Llakor
      Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
      Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

      Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

      FLEA

      ("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)



    According to the PWInsider update to this story, Gregory Helms and Matt Hardy were on the plane with Jeff neither left with him so family emergency seems unlikely.

    (edited by Llakor on 18.9.08 1540)


Hmm. So your brother gets escorted off the plane by cops and you don't go with? Nice brother!
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.88
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by Llakor
        Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
        Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

        Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

        FLEA

        ("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)



      According to the PWInsider update to this story, Gregory Helms and Matt Hardy were on the plane with Jeff neither left with him so family emergency seems unlikely.

      (edited by Llakor on 18.9.08 1540)


    Hmm. So your brother gets escorted off the plane by cops and you don't go with? Nice brother!


My point was that Matt and Greg probably were not given the choice.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.46
    Originally posted by Ryder Faken
    >("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)




Not for nothin', but the show has been pretty boring lately. I thought it was just me fazing out of wrestling again, but maybe the numbers back up the fact that I'm not growing up after all. Then I watched ECW and was more entertained than I'd been with Raw.

You could blame CM Punk and Jericho, but maybe a show full of Rey, Kane, Batista and JBL isn't the best idea.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 18.9.08 1642)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.51
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    maybe a show full of Rey, Kane, Batista and JBL isn't the best idea.


one of these things is not like the other



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
I actually think Raw has been great. Its just its biggest star is on the bench and its other top heel is just doing promos. I really hope its not a blame Jericho time, because it seems we always get a disaster low rating around the fall and HHH doesn't have the belt. So, its time to throw him back into the mix. Raw's ratings are going to be low for awhile, because America's favorite sport is back and has a rotating schedule. Its going to be a long fall for the WWE.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Well, score one for PWInsider as The E is now acknowledging this story. Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?

    Maybe he had a family emergency and was not allowed to use his cell phone on the plane. Being that he is a famous wrestler, security was needed to escort him to through the airport, for his own safety

    FLEA

    ("kicked off" for "being a two time losing drug addict" certainly makes for a better salacious headline..almost as good as the company is in the toilet because a couple hundred thousand wrestling fans decided to watch football!)


You're certainly not being fair to Jeff Hardy by calling him a 2 time loser FLEA. He is only a 2 time loser under the current system, he's had more drug problems than that.
As for the ratings: If they didn't make such a big deal about how they did head-to-head vs. MNF a few weeks ago during the pre-season I wouldn't consider it a big deal. They put the ratings issue back on the table.

(edited by redsoxnation on 18.9.08 2021)

(edited by CRZ on 18.9.08 1946)
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    Anybody with a security background know what could you kicked off a flight, but not in handcuffs and still allowed to make phone calls?


Apparently, being inebriated. Not a wellness violation. Story over, I reckon, although probably doesn't help his case as far as being trusted with a title run. But I kinda figured the Jeff/HHH feud was more about turning Hunter heel against a really well-liked babyface than it was about Jeff finally getting the big win.
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