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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Why would anyone want to admit that they acted like a retard for money?

Worse of all, why would anyone want to protect it; like it's some badge of honor or something to having a comedy sketch about a retard.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
"Dave and I can tell you exactly where their story line is going and what is going to happen, because they didn't even have the decency to change it a little!"

Then why DONT you tell us whats gonna happen?! Huh?
This is another crackpot case, and if you give your ideas to Spike, then they can use it however they see fit! right?



"When did being an idiot become a team sport?"


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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.88
    Originally posted by WhoTookMyHonor?
    "Dave and I can tell you exactly where their story line is going and what is going to happen, because they didn't even have the decency to change it a little!"

    Then why DONT you tell us whats gonna happen?! Huh?
    This is another crackpot case, and if you give your ideas to Spike, then they can use it however they see fit! right?


You're correct, if they gave the ideas to Spike and said, "Please, take these ideas - we don't want them." But if SPIKE was interested, they'd likely pay for the ideas as to avoid getting sued. Turning someone down and then using ideas which are even remotely close to the one proposed means that SPIKE will have to compensate these guys, no matter who they are or whether they turn up on Google searches. Speaking of the latter, I've written for a couple newspapers which have online archives and I've googled myself to find only two articles out of about thirty. And I produce a local TV show where I live, yet none of that ever pops up in Google, nor would most of what is produced locally.

I never cease to be baffled by the number of people here who think that if they haven't heard of someone or something, then they must not exist and neither has anyone else heard of them.

If there was ever a creative meeting between these guys and a representative of SPIKE, and the Eugene character was discussed and created prior to these meetings, then it doesn't matter if they're five year old kids. In a case like what's being brought up, SPIKE must compensate IF these guys can prove this character existed before Eugene appeared on WWE TV and that they brought the character to SPIKE TV's attention. WWE is only indirectly involved. They don't need to reveal anything to the public, and their point about knowing how the storyline will unfold seems to have gone over some people's heads. Its intention would rather be to suggest that WWE's creative team has been so lazy that not only did they "steal" the idea of Eugene, but they still haven't deviated from the character's storyline.

All of what I've read on here so far is the same as saying so-and-so is guilty before his court case ever takes place. Wait until the facts are all in before making assinine comments about how these guys are "obviously" crackpots who are full of it.

Again, I will ask the masses: can Nick Dinsmore stick around on WWE TV if the E is forced to cease using the character, should this go to court? Can Dinsmore stay over with the fans in any regard without the Eugene character??

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
ok, maybe I was a little excited when I called them crackpots- I really wanted to say that they have discussed no evidence that shows they and/or their show exist but come to think of it they'll probably save that for the court if it gets there.

As for the question, "Can Dinsmore stay over with the fans in any regard without the Eugene character??"- I dont think so, the general masses believe it or not, are fooled with the retard act- and the only way he could suddenly turn uh... mentally stable I guess, is a heel turn or some lame storyline about how a sledgehammer shot to the head made him recover his mind. Other than that, I dont see a way for Eugene to stay on top of RAW (not that those two things will keep him on top of RAW anyway...)



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
If they had to drop the retard angle Real fast, they could turn Eugene heel and have him join Evolution next week. Of course that would involve some sort of SWERVE~! and beatdown of someone, possibly Regal but he's not the ideal guy. Rocky would be the perfect face to take the beatdown/killing and he just might be there.

Who knows, maybe they can scrap the one on one and get a HHH/Orton vs. Eugene/Benoit and the champ can take a huge beatdown. Then we get Eugene and HHH doing the mic segment the following week where he reveals the whole plot...wouldn't mind seeing some Eugene/Benoit matches.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Not knowing the merits of this particular case, I've certainly heard of writers pitching to TV producers, being turned down, and then seeing some version of their ideas on the show. Some of these people were friends of mine trying to break into TV writing, specifically Star Trek. They got screwed and did nothing, because that's how to blacklist yourself in that nasty little industry.

Realistically, there doesn't seem to be any legal protection from that kind of theft. It depends on how the ideas were presented in the first place, but in most cases in order to pitch at all you have to do it on the producer's terms. Even if these guys have the moral high ground, which is certainly possible, they may not have any recourse other than publicity.

MM
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
Can't find this show on us.imdb.com so chances are no-one has heard of it and it has never been on TV. If it has never been on TV how can it have a most popular character. So I say this is complete BS.



...and that's the bottom line cos jk sed so
Leviathan
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by chill
    Even if their show is "non-existant" in that it's not on TV, that's no different from the way most movies and television shows are created: they film a bunch of shows or a movie, then try to sell the show/movie to networks/studios and either get an on-going series or a distribution deal.

    Hypothetically, if their show was on community cable-access television, would there be a difference? The show wasn't on TV, as suggested by the fact that they went to SPIKE TV trying to pitch ideas for a series based on their material. Many comedy troupes do the same - shoot a bunch of half-hour sitcoms comprised of different sketches, then attempt to interest a network in at least one of the sketches for a sitcom.

    It might be a publicity stunt, but there aren't enough details to determine what the truth here is. People on this board are always fast to jump to conclusions!


Uh, chill, how closely did you read the 'press release'?

Some quotes from it:
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This makes it very clear that the show must've already been on TV somewhere: they can't have been shooting and producing a show for 10 years, let alone have a "very popular" character on it, unless they've had some air-time.

And how, exactly, could one take a (presumably) non-wrestling character from a (presumably) non-wrestling show and then somehow exactly copy a storyline involving him into a wrestling context - and into a show with pre-existing characters? Are we to believe that this comedy show also featured characters that are sufficiently comparable with Regal, Bischoff, the Rock and Triple H?

Let's face it, this story/press release is rubbish.

While you might well ask whether or not Dinsmore can stay over without the Eugene character, it won't be this supposed scandal that forces him to abandon it.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.88
    Originally posted by jk
    Can't find this show on us.imdb.com so chances are no-one has heard of it and it has never been on TV. If it has never been on TV how can it have a most popular character. So I say this is complete BS.


Check out your local TV shows, then search for one of them on IMDB.com. IMDB doesn't go out looking for shows and movies - people have to send the info there. I have several friends who've been making films in Canada for the last four years and one of them now has his own show on Canada's Comedy Network channel, yet neither he, his show, or any of them or their work is on IMDB.com.

The world of TV and movies does not start and end with network or nation-wide cable TV. Nor does it with an internet website which relies on people submitting their info to be included.

Expand your mind to imagine that there are shows which never make it to national TV, and if YOU read the press release, you would infer the same information that I did: these guys DON'T have a show that's shown nationally, which is why they approached SPIKE TV with their ideas and material. That's what people do when they want to branch out.

What's so difficult to comprehend about shows existing in or near Philadelphia that don't make it to the TV set in your living room? This is looking similar to when people thought the world was flat or that the universe revolved around Earth, for chist's sake. Just because Google, Yahoo, or other search engines don't pull up anything doesn't mean a show does not exist. No one here so far has the information to state 100% that the show exists or doesn't. The thread is about Eugene, anyway, not the show. Let a judge decide about the show.

    Originally posted by jk
    And how, exactly, could one take a (presumably) non-wrestling character from a (presumably) non-wrestling show and then somehow exactly copy a storyline involving him into a wrestling context - and into a show with pre-existing characters? Are we to believe that this comedy show also featured characters that are sufficiently comparable with Regal, Bischoff, the Rock and Triple H?

    Let's face it, this story/press release is rubbish.



How? If you have a creative thought process at all, you can think of the same storyline that was suggested near the start of the thread by someone else. Whether it comes directly from this Psychotic show or not is irrelevant. The facts aren't all out. I love how a few people haven't heard of something and automatically assume it must not exist. These guys could be lying, or they could be completely wrong. This is like all the people who've sued Michael Bolton, Michael Jackson, Billy Joel, and others for stealing their music. Let the court decide what's "rubbish" and what's not, if it goes that far.

So many of you are missing the point of this thread - so I have to ask whether you guys actually read the original post.

This is about Eugene, not the guys who put out the press release. Way to follow directions.

Admin might as well close down this thread, unless people start talking about the possibilities this could bring to the WWE and Eugene in a situation where this is all actually true.

(edited by chill on 19.6.04 1338)

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Zeruel
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Madame Manga
    Not knowing the merits of this particular case, I've certainly heard of writers pitching to TV producers, being turned down, and then seeing some version of their ideas on the show. Some of these people were friends of mine trying to break into TV writing, specifically Star Trek. They got screwed and did nothing, because that's how to blacklist yourself in that nasty little industry.

    Realistically, there doesn't seem to be any legal protection from that kind of theft. It depends on how the ideas were presented in the first place, but in most cases in order to pitch at all you have to do it on the producer's terms. Even if these guys have the moral high ground, which is certainly possible, they may not have any recourse other than publicity.

    MM


MM is right, pitched show ideas get stolen and re-tooled all the time.

Case in point:

Babylon 5 vs. Deep Space 9

That has been an ongoing debate that JMS's B5 was stolen by Paramount when he pitched it there and was turned down. A few years later, DS9 came out.

Both shows are about a space station, eventually in the middle of a intergalactic war. Both have big wormhole/jump-gates near by. Both stations eventually get their own starships. Both are orbiting planets. Both have a show about time-travel to "make things right." Both shows have a character that jumps species (Delenn on B5 and Dukat on DS9. Sinclair counts too.). Dukat is a name used on both shows. The lead character eventually becomes a sort of God figure because of his actions.

But that is all moot. Babylon 5 is basically Lord of the Rings in Space.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.88
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Madame Manga
      Not knowing the merits of this particular case, I've certainly heard of writers pitching to TV producers, being turned down, and then seeing some version of their ideas on the show. Some of these people were friends of mine trying to break into TV writing, specifically Star Trek. They got screwed and did nothing, because that's how to blacklist yourself in that nasty little industry.

      Realistically, there doesn't seem to be any legal protection from that kind of theft. It depends on how the ideas were presented in the first place, but in most cases in order to pitch at all you have to do it on the producer's terms. Even if these guys have the moral high ground, which is certainly possible, they may not have any recourse other than publicity.

      MM


    MM is right, pitched show ideas get stolen and re-tooled all the time.

    Case in point:

    Babylon 5 vs. Deep Space 9

    That has been an ongoing debate that JMS's B5 was stolen by Paramount when he pitched it there and was turned down. A few years later, DS9 came out.

    Both shows are about a space station, eventually in the middle of a intergalactic war. Both have big wormhole/jump-gates near by. Both stations eventually get their own starships. Both are orbiting planets. Both have a show about time-travel to "make things right." Both shows have a character that jumps species (Delenn on B5 and Dukat on DS9. Sinclair counts too.). Dukat is a name used on both shows. The lead character eventually becomes a sort of God figure because of his actions.

    But that is all moot. Babylon 5 is basically Lord of the Rings in Space.


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