Originally posted by Hogan's My DadAnd Val Venis, while certainly a better technical wrestler than Foley, is not "gifted" either. Forty moves, all of them needing an irish whip to set them up, are not a sign of being gifted. Do you really think this guy would be a main eventer if he hadn't gotten the porn star gimmick. Without that he'd have been more bland than anyone on the roster. He would have been "white trunks, managed by Trish" Sean Morley, and that woulda sucked. If anything that gimmick gave him fifteen minutes of fame he would not likely otherwise have attained.
I'll disagree with you here. The last few months Venis has been really sharp, he's had two or three strong matches with Orton that probably made Orton look better than anything but the Foley match at Backlash, and he had a good match on Heat before Backlash with Matt Hardy, too. There was that period of time when Venis was really limited and everything was the same match with him, and I would've agreed with you then, but I think right now he's one of the better workers on the roster.
Here's a thought, all: why not evenly divide the talent for once?
I have thought about this and I came up with the idea that maybe they're worried they just don't have enough star power overall to split the shows evenly, and having two bland shows no one is interested in is worse than having one good show people are enjoying and one terrible show that at least everyone is TALKING about. And that would just be super lazy and a sign that they don't know how to get people over, but would that be a shock?
Originally posted by Tan-veer Rah-kweebI don't know why y'all are even talking about Eugene in championship-context when he's wrestled ONE MATCH on television.
That's exactly the problem. Another obvious problem is that as good as some here may think Val Venis is, most fans don't even know he's still employeed by the WWE, and the few that do remember he's there don't give a crap about him. Say what you want about Triple H, but at least everyone knows he's a big part of the show, something Venis is the opposite of.
Everyone here just heard about what a gifted wrestler the guy playing Eugene supposedly is, and so because of an IRC commandment that you have to demand under-used talent be pushed to the moon (regardless of whether or not it's good for business) we now have to start the same "so-and-so will never get pushed as long as Vince is in charge" that we've all done with Benoit, Jericho, hell remember back when Sean Waltman was the net's favorite boy? Until he actually *got* the push everyone wanted him to get, after that he was holding people back.
Originally posted by PhantomSo he doesn't really have the body. He's just kinda a shaggy bastard who the audience can't help but like, who's also a talented technical wrestler capable of telling a story in the ring...
I don't know if he's World Championship material in the near future, but who can really tell if he gets a cult following the turns into a majority following. Who knows.
One thing I think he's got going for them, he has his own look. In the day an age where every new wrestler one of two body types, he does stand out much more ordinary, is strange considering the word "ordinary" is a positive but as Foley showed when everyrone looks a certain way if you can look different then who's really ordinary (ohhh deep)... I doubt a Mick Foley would make the first cut of Tough Enough.
smark/net attack wienerville advisory stays at BLUE alert - Guarded (With Benoit & Eddie being World & WWE champions you'd expect all's be right but couldn't do it due to Trish/Y2J character switches & whats the deal with JBL PPV main event)- 5/6
Originally posted by InVerseDidn't WCW already do the "mentally challenged world champion" angle with Scott Steiner?
That doesnt really have to do with what Im talking about, but I just had to give you credit for that. Still laughing...
In other news, Eugene... How long will this Gimmick last? If he changes his persona, people could get quickly bored of him and he will go into a Ultimo Dragon-Hurricane type decline into Velocity or Sunday Night Heat.
It has to be pulled off just right, or it will just be another technical wrestler heel nobody gives a damn about (e.g. Val Venis, even though he's not really a heel...) Or he will turn into another quasi-heel nobody. (e.g. Garrison Cade, The whole F.B.I.)
In the Florida Driver's Manual, under "Bad Driving Habits", the book lists distracting things a responsible driver should not do while driving. This list includes, "Reading" ...*sigh* ...I have given up.
What's the "context" of an open lie? He's been with WWE for ten years, and hasn't done it all that time. So much for decades. Just be a man and admit you made a tasteless leap in the exploration of your character.