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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47

I'm surprised that TK or MW could be on Dan's show, given the four letter's rules about talent appearing on non-ESPN radio stations.

BTW, rumors now going around that TK was suspended more for jokes about Berman's weight than Hannah Storm's outfits.

BTW, one of the blogs had pictures of one-time TK sparring partner and (sadly) former Hoosier Sage Steele wearing a pretty short leopard-print mini-skirt.

At least TK never got suspended for joking about Linda Cohn's twelve toes.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Right before his apology this morning, Tony made a comment about not wanting to talk to be interviewed by others about the situation. It seemed at the time like he was referring more to reporters writing about it than other radio hosts, but I imagine the same thing applies. Tony often talks about how much he loves doing PTI and loves the people who do the show, and it wouldn't make sense for him to endanger his return by talking more.

FWIW, Deadspin is convinced the actual suspension is for comments about Chris Berman's weight gain, not as much about Storm. Berman is such a symbolic punching bag for All That's Wrong With ESPN that this seems a bit too easy, but they're the ones with off the record ESPN sources.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by odessasteps
    I'm surprised that TK or MW could be on Dan's show, given the four letter's rules about talent appearing on non-ESPN radio stations.
According to Dan, ESPN doesnt want their talent appearing on HIS show specifically, but MW's been on a couple times and always had a "What's the big deal?" attitude about the whole thing.

When Dan was on South Beach for the Superbowl, Golic came on live and talked for a segment but Greenie was too skurr'd to come over.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41
I like Mike & Mike, but Greenie can be such a pussy at times its sad. I think if anyone is a puppet of ESPN its Greenie and if I were in his spot though, I don't know if I wouldn't be the same. Unlike Gollic, Greenie more or less needs ESPN where Gollic could get a good job anywhere else due to his personality and football background. I just wish Fox Sports wasn't 90% cocky, heads up their ass, sarcastic d-bags or I might listen to them.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47

From what I understand from people who work in radio, the rules are basically:

If there is an ESPN station in a market, ESPN contracted talent can only appear on the ESPN station.

If there is no ESPN station in a market, it's generally okay.

TK's old radio show was an exception but of course, he's an ESPN employee. Same on a certain level with Lebatard's show, but his station (790 AM in miami) is an ESPN station again.

It's funny to hear Wilbon flaunt the rules. He probably still sees himself as a newspaper guy doing TV, but ESPN is now his primary employer (in terms of workload and finances), so he probably should be more careful.







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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.11
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    From what I understand from people who work in radio, the rules are basically:

    If there is an ESPN station in a market, ESPN contracted talent can only appear on the ESPN station.

    If there is no ESPN station in a market, it's generally okay.


I believe that's pretty much the norm. KIRO 710 AM became an "ESPN 710 Seattle" or something like that last year, and all of the ESPN guys who appeared on KJR-AM 950 (which was quite a few) had to stop showing up on KJR, including John Clayton, who had his own Saturday morning show on KJR.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    It's funny to hear Wilbon flaunt the rules. He probably still sees himself as a newspaper guy doing TV, but ESPN is now his primary employer (in terms of workload and finances), so he probably should be more careful.



Wilbon probably thinks this suspension is full of crap just like the majority of us do. Also, Wilbon is a guy who could get another job in five seconds if he was ever dropped by ESPN, so I don't think he's too worried.

There has to be more to this, whether it was the Berman crack or something else. TK says worse stuff about himself on a near-daily basis than his mild comment about Hannah Storm. How was this over the line?



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    There has to be more to this, whether it was the Berman crack or something else. TK says worse stuff about himself on a near-daily basis than his mild comment about Hannah Storm. How was this over the line?


Maybe Hannah Storm's more sensitive than we think she is. All it takes is one complaint.




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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      From what I understand from people who work in radio, the rules are basically:

      If there is an ESPN station in a market, ESPN contracted talent can only appear on the ESPN station.

      If there is no ESPN station in a market, it's generally okay.


    I believe that's pretty much the norm. KIRO 710 AM became an "ESPN 710 Seattle" or something like that last year, and all of the ESPN guys who appeared on KJR-AM 950 (which was quite a few) had to stop showing up on KJR, including John Clayton, who had his own Saturday morning show on KJR.


I would guess the only exceptions now are probably people who had pre-existing contracts for local hits before there was an ESPN station in the market.

I believe Mort has been on LeBatard's show since it started 5 years ago and I believe there were ESPN stations in Miami in that time. Of course like I said earlier in the thread, Lebatard might get dispensation for being a semi-ESPN regular.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.47
I know people don't mean to be doing it, but all the discussion of ESPN's politburo-style management doesn't seem to mention that it's entirely f-ed up.

Of course, this is small potatoes compared to their "too big to take off cable" status that allows them to bid more than any network for the MNF package, for The Masters, etc. - since they can always raise their fee another $1 per subscriber.

And Storm dresses as she does because females don't last at ESPN if they lose their looks. If you ever saw Linda Cohn on a Nutri-System commercial, it would be as *former ESPN anchor Linda Cohn.



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    You know you could have generated so many more clicks with photos of the outfit in question.


Geez, it's not Norwegian-curling-pants bad or anything. Hell, I don't think it looks bad at all!



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Wilbon was on Dan Patrick via phone, but I was busy with some work and didn't hear it. Anybody got a summary of what he said?
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.90
Seriously that is the outfit?
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Lise
    Seriously that is the outfit?
It's not trashy or anything, but it does look a little silly for a semi-serious, semi-news anchor to wear.

Again, not slutty, but also not appropriate for that setting.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
Having SEEN the outfit in question now, I'm with TK on this one. That isn't something I think looks particularly good on a 40-something like Hannah Storm.

Hell, it would barely look passable on Erin Andrews.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.90
It's a little age inappropriate, but sportscasters in general are not known for age appropriate behavior. It is not ill fitting.

In light of the actual outfit the comment makes him sound like a horndog obsessed with sweater puppies or a fashion cop with a poor vocabulary. Dude needs to watch "What Not To Wear" to brush up on proper outfit critiquing. There are plenty of ways to talk about the failures of that outfit without getting in trouble. (She probably should have gone with a fuller skirt with about a 4 inch longer hemline, that alone would have given her a more mature, fall/winter appropriate look)

He got in trouble because he talked about it in a sexualized way. If he'd critiqued a male coworker about having a particularly snug inseam that revealed his religion, I assume he would also be in trouble.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.47
    Originally posted by Lise
    It's a little age inappropriate, but sportscasters in general are not known for age appropriate behavior. It is not ill fitting.

    In light of the actual outfit the comment makes him sound like a horndog obsessed with sweater puppies or a fashion cop with a poor vocabulary. Dude needs to watch "What Not To Wear" to brush up on proper outfit critiquing. There are plenty of ways to talk about the failures of that outfit without getting in trouble. (She probably should have gone with a fuller skirt with about a 4 inch longer hemline, that alone would have given her a more mature, fall/winter appropriate look)

    He got in trouble because he talked about it in a sexualized way. If he'd critiqued a male coworker about having a particularly snug inseam that revealed his religion, I assume he would also be in trouble.

    (edited by Lise on 24.2.10 1631)


There is a theory that the 2 weeks was due more to criticizing "sacred cow" Chris Berman's weight and how that ties into the berman endorsing NutriSystem (an ESPN sponsor).



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.47
    Originally posted by Lise
    In light of the actual outfit the comment makes him sound like a horndog obsessed with sweater puppies or a fashion cop with a poor vocabulary.


I find this statement especially ironic considering he spends a segment practically every week dressed like the cop from the Village People. Well, maybe not these next two weeks, at least.
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