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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_07_27_anamlb_clemlb_1&mode=box

Interestingly, it wasn't a shutout - the Angels won 3-1 and got their run on a wild pitch. (They led 1-0 at the time!)



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Wasn't there a team a while back (possibly the Angels as well) whose pitcher tossed a no-hitter and lost?
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There have been a few, but those have been retconned into NON no-hitters by, well, idiots.



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#4 Posted on
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    There have been a few, but those have been retconned into NON no-hitters by, well, idiots.


Yeah but most of them didn't pitch nine innings.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    Wasn't there a team a while back (possibly the Angels as well) whose pitcher tossed a no-hitter and lost?


I remember this happening, either last season or the season prior, to Jered Weaver in a 0-1 loss. Weaver is having an amazing season this year.

Edit: It was Weaver, but he only pitched 8 innings.

Santana had been 0 for 6 in 10 starts against Cleveland - with his first win coming in the form of a no hitter. The one run Cleveland scored began on an error at first, advanced on a steal at second, advanced to third on an out a first, and scored from third on a wild pitch. Wow.



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I was amazed by a lot of this. The stat that Santana had never beaten Cleveland (seriously?), the no-hitter non-shutout, and the fact that...well...it's Ervin Santana. Santana's been the epitome of a borderline-good pitcher for years, but has never been anything but a #3 guy, at best.

Congrats to him.



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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    There have been a few, but those have been retconned into NON no-hitters by, well, idiots.


Word. It's always been called a no-hitter, not a no-hit, no-run ballgame.

The one I remember is Andy Hawkins of the Yankees pitching a no-hitter against the White Sox at old Comiskey Park, yet losing it 4-0. IIRC all runs scored in the 8th after walking the bases loaded, and then back-to-back botched fly balls.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
      Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      There have been a few, but those have been retconned into NON no-hitters by, well, idiots.


    Word. It's always been called a no-hitter, not a no-hit, no-run ballgame.



Well, they didn't say that if there's a run, it's not a no-hitter. It's that it used to be that you have to pitch nine hitless innings OR the full hitless game, and now you have to pitch nine hitless innings AND a full hitless game. So if you lose in a no-hitter and don't get to pitch the bottom of the ninth, it's not a no-hitter anymore. Rain-shortened no-hitters (which I can see) and Harvey Haddix deals also got taken out of the official ranks.

MAN, oh man, do the baseball gods like to torment Mets fans about never having a no-hitter. As if it's not bad enough how many no-hitters have been thrown by ex-Mets, now they say, oh, you got Santana? Fine, we'll let Santana throw a no-hitter--ERVIN Santana. Johan? Maybe if we're feeling charitable he'll be able to pitch this year....

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Explain the scenario where you are pitching a no-hitter and don't get to pitch in the bottom of the ninth... you give up 1 run due to walks/errors as the visiting team?

Is that common enough that they had to make a special exception for it?




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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Explain the scenario where you are pitching a no-hitter and don't get to pitch in the bottom of the ninth... you give up 1 run due to walks/errors as the visiting team?

    Is that common enough that they had to make a special exception for it?
I'm too lazy to refine this list (baseball-reference.com) but I reckon it includes the ones you're talking about (I only see three?)



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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Explain the scenario where you are pitching a no-hitter and don't get to pitch in the bottom of the ninth... you give up 1 run due to walks/errors as the visiting team?

      Is that common enough that they had to make a special exception for it?
    I'm too lazy to refine this list (baseball-reference.com) but I reckon it includes the ones you're talking about (I only see three?)

Thanks for the list, I was trying to remember this game where Boston threw a no-hitter (at the time) and lost 2-1 to Cleveland.




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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Explain the scenario where you are pitching a no-hitter and don't get to pitch in the bottom of the ninth... you give up 1 run due to walks/errors as the visiting team?

Yes. I'm not 100% sure of the no-hitter rule. I believe they used to call it a no-hitter if you were the only pitcher, even if the game was called after 6 innings or whatever.


    Is that common enough that they had to make a special exception for it?

I did in fact refine the list, and yes there are only 3 instances in which a pitcher has thrown a complete game (was the only pitcher for his team), had 0 hits allowed, and lost (if you pitch a complete game, you must by definition either win or lose). 2 of those instances involve a team on the road losing after 8 innings. The most recent one involved Matt Young of the Boston Red Sox getting the loss in a 2-1 game against the Cleveland Indians. In the first inning, Cleveland scored on a walk, a stolen base, another stolen base, and an error. In the third inning, they scored on two walks, a groundout that advanced the runner, and then a fielder's choice that scored the runner.

The third involved a guy throwing the complete 9 innings at home, but his team lost. That was Ken Johnson of the Houston Colts on April 23, 1964. The game was tied after 8 innings, but in the ninth Pete Rose reached 1st (and 2nd) on an error, moved to 3rd on a groundout, and then reached home on another error.

Special mention should be made of Francisco Cordova on July 12, 1997. He pitched 9 no-hit innings, 0 runs scored, but it was tied 0-0 after 9. He left the game and his team won it in the 10th. Probably not considered a no-hitter, through no fault of his own.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    The third involved a guy throwing the complete 9 innings at home, but his team lost. That was Ken Johnson of the Houston Colts on April 23, 1964. The game was tied after 8 innings, but in the ninth Pete Rose reached 1st (and 2nd) on an error, moved to 3rd on a groundout, and then reached home on another error.
Johnson's is still categorized as a no-hitter, right? The removals were a) complete games less than nine innings (rain out, lost on the road), and b) no-hitter after nine innings that then went into extra innings and was broken up (Haddix as the most famous example). Nothing about losing was put into place.



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