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#121 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.94
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    In fact, the movies never explained why Anakin's droid 3PO suddenly lived with Padme and Padme's droid R2 suddenly started hanging out with Anakin - though I hear it's in a book somewhere that they "exchanged droids" - if you know what I mean.

In a very touching flashback in the RotS novelization, Anakin gives 3PO to Padme. And in the Clone Wars cartoon (Chapter 21), Padme gives R2 to Anakin after he is elevated to Jedi Knight.

As for the R2/Yoda relationship, I really need to watch Empire again to study it further. I don't know if there's anything that overtly shows that R2 doesn't recognize Yoda. His "annoyance" could just stem from the fact that Yoda was acting like a little jerk when Luke first arrived.

I suppose you could also fanwank an explanation. I like to believe that while his mind wasn't wiped, he was given strict orders never to reveal anything he knew about the history of the Skywalker children. 3PO and his loose "lips" wouldn't be able to follow such an order.



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#122 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I suppose you could also fanwank an explanation. I like to believe that while his mind wasn't wiped, he was given strict orders never to reveal anything he knew about the history of the Skywalker children. 3PO and his loose "lips" wouldn't be able to follow such an order.


Throughout the 20 years or since between III and IV his mind might have been whiped, he might have had some circuit damage causing loss of memory banks or heh..when Luke screwed with his system to get the Leia message to play he screwed a bit too tight/loose.

As someone said already, it's funny that Lucas actually was nice enough to wrap up so many loose ends that we have to reach for this sort of thing now.



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#123 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04
Let's not forget that R2 is a droid. He doesn't need to "get to know" anyone; he is probably simply programed with that information. Don't you think he would have some files on the Jedi Council, including a bit of information on Yoda? Heck, even if he was uploaded with Encyclopedia Britannica, he would know and be able to identify our most important characters. Surely he has the information on most major lifeforms he meets.



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#124 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.25
Forget about R2 not knowing Yoda. Why did Obi Wan not know or recognize R2 in Ep.IV?

"I don't ever recall owning a droid", he says when Luke meets up with him in ANH. He may not have OWNED R2, but they had some pretty heavy interaction throughout the prequel trilogy.



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#125 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

A) He was just being coy.

B) He was completely factual in denying R2's claims that he used to own him.



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#126 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.55
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#127 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

He told the truth... to a point.



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#128 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    A) He was just being coy.

    B) He was completely factual in denying R2's claims that he used to own him.


Both true, and also like I pointed out earlier Obi Wan actually says "hello little friend" to R2. So he does show that he possibly recognizes him.



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#129 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
Don't you kind of think that all those stock astromech droids kind of run together after a while? Sure they all have different paint jobs and everything, but come on, I'm sure the Naboo defense force aren't the only ones who thought white with blue trim on the chrome would be the way to go.

That said, I think he probably DOES recognize him.



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#130 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      In fact, the movies never explained why Anakin's droid 3PO suddenly lived with Padme and Padme's droid R2 suddenly started hanging out with Anakin - though I hear it's in a book somewhere that they "exchanged droids" - if you know what I mean.

      But, since Yoda was never a known Jedi pilot, it's very possible that R2 and Yoda never actually crossed paths.


    It only makes sense for them to trade droids. 3-P0 is better suited to a political/dimplomatic environment, and R2, being an astromech droid, should stay with the pilot. Besides, even if Anakin felt a protocol droid would suit him on whatever negotiations he was undertaking, he could never fit him in the Jedi Starfighters without disassembling him first.

    As for R2 and Yoda never crossing paths, they did in the Clone Wars mini-series, for whatever that is worth.


Plus C3PO is fucking annoying.
Actually the whole Anakin made 3PO plot from TPM is a pretty big weakness. Why was Anakin such a kick ass droid maker at 8 and then never again showed any mechanical skills? Why and for that matter how did he make a gay robot that spoke 7 million languages?
If Anakin would have HELPED restore R2 and Padme would have had 3PO on her ship that would have made a lot more sense. But that wouldn't have fit into the virgin mother/he's a slave feel sorry for little Vader/look this kid is cute/look his best friend is Jar Jar plot that everyone loves from Episode 1.



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#131 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.58
Dahak: "Plus C3PO is fucking annoying.
Actually the whole Anakin made 3PO plot from TPM is a pretty big weakness. Why was Anakin such a kick ass droid maker at 8 and then never again showed any mechanical skills? Why and for that matter how did he make a gay robot that spoke 7 million languages? "


Actually, the C3PO thing is kind of funny, if only because it makes me laugh whenever he says "thank the maker" in the original trilogy. If I remember correctly, Anakin actually said he made the droid to help his mom, but that might have come from the Phantom Menace novelezation, so it doesn't count...

And Anakin did show mechanical skill when he rebuilt his arm in Clone Wars. Guess that doesn't count either, as it wasn't shown on screen. If Clone Wars did count, Mace would've actually been a badass and Greivous wouldn't have been a complete jackass...

"If Anakin would have HELPED restore R2 and Padme would have had 3PO on her ship that would have made a lot more sense. But that wouldn't have fit into the virgin mother/he's a slave feel sorry for little Vader/look this kid is cute/look his best friend is Jar Jar plot that everyone loves from Episode 1."

The trilogy would've been so much better had Anakin been a 17 year old kid when we met him. Lucas would've had more to work with and we could've seen the relationship between Anakin/Padme and Anakin/Obi-Wan from the start. Instead we got "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick" and "are you an angel?" If only Lucas was half as interested in story and acting as he is playing with the special effects...

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#132 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.90
Back to the Vader/"ghost" thing:

There's no reason Luke couldn't have burned the body of his father. At the end of III, Yoda reveals that Qui-Gon Jinn has found a way to manifest his spirit in the living world. This however, occurs well after Qui-Gon was cremated.

Obi-Wan was sent to study this phenomenon on Tatooine, so when he is ready to die, he immediately transforms into an interplanar spirit. Yoda learns the same technique. We must assume Qui-Gon shares his secret with Yoda as well.

Anakin first learns of this phenomenon when he strikes down Obi-Wan. I would assume he began to study the Jedi secret right away. He did not master it in time to enter the ether immediately upon his death, though. Instead, he died a "natural" death, and was cremated by Luke.

Anakin passed into the spirit world, after repenting, where he was obviously reunited with his old friends, Obi-Wan and Yoda. From them, he learned to manifest himself in Luke's eyes. Qui-Gon proved that a Jedi's spirit can continue to learn new techniques, even after his corporeal death.

So, end of controversy?



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#133 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

Unless he DID learn it, fade off camera, and the empty suit was burned.

As said before, it seems odd Luke would put the mask back on before cremation.



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#134 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
"As said before, it seems odd Luke would put the mask back on before cremation."

Not necessarily. Maybe he thought that he'd respect his father after death and assume Anakin wouldn't want anybody to see him in that whole Dark-Side, Recovering Burn Victim state. After people die in serious auto accidents, there is often a closed casket funeral.

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#135 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.60
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

Well it's not definitve, hence the controversy not being quite over.

Doesn't really matter to me.

EDIT~! Because we are, again as earlier stated, grasping for straws here.

(edited by AngryJohnny on 2.6.05 1901)



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#136 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.48
    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    Well it's not definitve, hence the controversy not being quite over.

    Doesn't really matter to me.

    EDIT~! Because we are, again as earlier stated, grasping for straws here.

    (edited by AngryJohnny on 2.6.05 1901)
Question for you, then: if people still debate over JFK's assassination, even though the facts have been pretty much set forth, documented, and corrolated...are they grasping straws, as well? How about Elvis's death?

I'd be one to believe that if something doesn't make sense, conversation and debate works wonders to figure them out. Henceforth why this is still going after over 150 posts.

    Originally posted by The Sham
    Anakin first learns of this phenomenon when he strikes down Obi-Wan. I would assume he began to study the Jedi secret right away. He did not master it in time to enter the ether immediately upon his death, though. Instead, he died a "natural" death, and was cremated by Luke.
How old was Luke when Anakin died, anyhow? Also, what really caused Anakin's death? The stress of living under all that machina? Getting zapped by the Emperor while saving Luke? Or did Luke unknowingly put the nail in the casket by taking Vader's mask off? I mean, there could have been a way to save him.

Though, I would suspect, Vader would have been executed for his crimes, right?



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#137 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.86
To SOK's question...


Vader: Let me look on you... with my own eyes.

Luke: If I take this mask off, you'll die!

Vader: It's already too late for that now...

(I'm paraphrasing, I'm sure.)





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#138 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.34
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

I'd hardly think the death of a president and the circumstances around it are comparable to "Did Vader vanish off camera inside the suit?"

As for the grasping, I was referring to the fact that we're out of major plotholes to pick at, not attacking anybody's right to discussion. Sorry if I was unclear.

Regardless, until we hear an answer straight from the horse's mouth the discussion is gonna go on forever and I'm fine with that.

I've had entire dinners/evenings center around Star Wars to the point where I'm pretty sure it's commandment breaking because the atmosphere is hella close to a Bible study.



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#139 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.03
    Originally posted by GRL
    To SOK's question...


    Vader: Let me look on you... with my own eyes.

    Luke: If I take this mask off, you'll die!

    Vader: It's already too late for that now...

    (I'm paraphrasing, I'm sure.)




My two cents:

-Vader took a LOT of Force lightning from the Emperor before tossing him off the ledge. He was already, as established in Episode III, pretty weak after taking a man-sized thrashing from Obi-Wan (which left him in the suit).
-Luke never explicitly told anybody that Vader got out, so it was probably presumed that he (and everyone else Imperial) perished when Death Star II went kerblammo. Since we never see whether or not Anakin's body disappears after death, we're left to guess...and since he didn't learn as Obi-Wan or Yoda did, he probably figured out how to appear in spectral after death. Or not. Other than pimped-out methods like aggressive use of Force pushing and Force lightning, we're never really told/shown how the Sith do things...so they could've had ways of learning the same methods.



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#140 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
Personally, I side with the camp that says Vader's body didn't disappear and he was cremated in the suit. However, this (starwars.com) says otherwise. Take it for what its worth.

    Originally posted by Star Wars Databank
    As he lay dying, Vader ceased to be. Anakin Skywalker returned. He asked his son to remove the cumbersome, fearsome mask that had concealed his face for decades. His mask and life support removed, Anakin looked upon Luke for the first and last time. He then died, his body disappearing into the light side of the Force. Luke burned the dark armor that had encased Anakin's crippled body in a quiet funeral pyre on the forest moon of Endor that night.


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