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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Well, season 2 is over, and I can't say I'm overly sad that I won't be seeing any new episodes for a while.

Star Trek is turning into every other show out there. It's filled with SEX and VIOLENCE with a few recycled 'dramatic' moments stuffed in to keep the original Star Trek fanbase 'happy'.

Though... I did find this season somewhat better then the last. My favorite from this season, Cogenitor, outdid my favorite from last season, Dear Doctor, by far. Judgement, Vanishing Point, and Regeneration were also quite a bit of fun from this season.

I'm concerned about this 'new direction' for next season; especially considering the double B's keep shrilling T'Pol's new haircut as one of the big selling points. I don't know... but it looks to me like we're going to get a whole bunch of 'cowboys in space' in the next season, and I'm not really looking forward to that too much.

I think that from this season, Bounty was the prime example of what they want Star Trek to be. I can't know for sure if it's the double B's pushing for sex or the network... but if it's the network, I'd like to think that maybe BB will get the fortitude to stand up to them, even if it means stopping the show a-la Crusade. Personally, I believe that either you do a show right, or you don't do it at all. And right now... Enterprise, as far as I'm concerned, is about just as far from right as it can be.



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The season finale was pretty good. They finnally did an episode that actually felt like it was before TOS. Earth was small and weak and got it's butt whipped by another planet.
I hope that there is a little more violence. I like ship to ship violence. That is what Sci-Fi (or ST at least) is for. To show ships using weapons at way to close of a range destroying each other. But ST sex is lame.
Season 2 had one horrible episode. The Mindmelt/AIDS episode. It was stupid and didn't make sense from either a ST or real world POV.
Cogenitor was good. Trip was naive and selfrighteous and didn't think it through at all but Archer did the smart thing. Hopefully this means that ST will finnaly figure out that the aliens aren't just humans with bad makeup. But I know that isn't going to happen.



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It was a fairly average season overall. It started fairly strong, went downhill and stayed there forever (that incredibly long rerun break sure didn't help either), then finished somewhat strong. The last few weeks picked up quite a bit from the midseason, in my opinion, and the finale may have pulled off a DS9 depending on what they do with it. The Man says that the Xindi arc will probably last for most if not all of next season... it almost seems like they're adopting the old Buffy "big bad" format. I'm hoping that they tie up the cold war in the fourth season and then kick it old school with the Romulan war.

At least they're doing something different regardless of the possible outcomes. They'll need to be shifting things around if they intend on holding their own against Smallville next year (a show that I have absolutely zero interest in, btw.)

Speaking of shifting things around, the dreadful theme song will likely be gone next year. Afterall, while it fit with the theme of the show for the first two seasons, it makes no sense at all if they're diving into a long war arc.



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See, I rather enjoyed the Entire second season. But then again, Star Trek has always been one of those things that I just enjoyed, no matter what. And yeah, I like the theme song of Enterprise too. I guess I am just immune to smarkiness were Star Trek is concerned.

Regardless, I do recognize the "weakness" of the first two seasons of all of the Star Treks franchises since TNG. Right on schedule, Enterprise has a "new direction." Glad to hear it...

I will admit they did seem to rely TOO much on T'Pol being hot sometimes...





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Smarky Trek fanboys piss me off. Shatner's famous line always makes me chuckle. "Get a life! It's just a TV show!"

I generally enjoy Trek no matter what, also. But the franchise is at its best when risks are taken, I find. Enterprise has been playing it a little too safe so far.

T'Pol is rumoured to lose the catsuit next year, along with other things. The more crew members dressing casual the better.



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I had no problem with the series until it started fucking with continuity. (SEE: Ferengi & Borg showing up long before established first contact dates, just for the sake of ratings)

There is, however, one thing that can save this show and make me purchase and watch every episode...

The Borg traveling back in time set off the alternate timeline seen in "Mirror, Mirror"[TOS], "Crossover"[DS9], etc., and this is not the origin of the Federation that we know, but rather the terran empire of the mirror universe.

Someone suggested that idea to me, and I thought it was great. AND it would make for all the continuity issues (save the Klingon makeup which isn't that important) to go away.



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I don't know if I have this right or not, if I don't can some explain it to me the right way:

When Enterprise first started I was kind of upset when they showed the ship. I mean it supposed to be set before Kirk and the original series right? So why do they have a better ship? Someone told be its cause they are going by the Star Trek TV/movie timeline when I think it was the movie Star Trek: Generations where the Borg went back in time and F'd the timeline up. And that changed history and gives them a kind of ok that the ship for Enterprise is a better ship.

By the way, does that mean Kirk and crew will have a hella better ship when their time rolls around?
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They don't have a better ship, nor has that been established. Kirk's Enterprise is vastly superior technologically. The only reason Archer's Enterprise may look better is because of the huge difference in budget between the original series and now, same reason why Klingons have bumpy foreheads, Andorians have twitching antennae now, etc.

I'm usually pretty lenient with continuity as long as I'm entertained and the breaches aren't too glaring. Not enough was fleshed out about the Ferengi in the early TNG days to rule them out of the 22nd century, and the Borg appearance was a direct circumstance of the events in First Contact. Really makes sense if you think about it.

I don't buy any of the alternate universe theories... how do we know things didn't happen this way originally? The Star Trek timeline was never very clean or even internally consistant on more than a few instances long before Enterprise aired.



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The fact that it is clearly established that the Federation's first contact with the Ferengi was in "The Last Outpost"[TNG], well after they showed up on Enterprise, is what bothered me. Not to mention that they had no idea what the hell the Borg were in "Q Who"[TNG].

There's got to be an explanation offered for things like that. Something like the Borg incursion changing the timeline would work perfectly.
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Picard knew of the Ferengi as early as "Encounter at Farpoint", but that's rather moot considering the name "Ferengi" was never mentioned in that Enterprise episode, same with the Borg. Besides, information can be lost pretty easily over 200 years, especially considering all the events that take place between Archer and Picard's time periods. Hell, any reference to "large-eared pirates" or "strange cybernetic aliens" could've been wiped from Starfleet's computers when that whale probe attacked. Who knows.

I'd only be in favour of an alternate timeline if it doesn't end with the mother of all reset buttons.



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They knew of the Ferengi's existance but knew nothing about them and had yet to actually meet them. In fact, I don't even believe Picard knew that the ship he fought so famously in the Stargazer was a Ferengi ship yet.
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The Borg issue made total sense. PICARD changed the time-line (so to speak) and all that episode did was to tie up the loose ends from that, and make it a neat little package.

The Ferrengi thing did not bother me either, as it was pretty clearly established in TNG that while they knew OF the Ferrengi, they did not have direct contact. Which actually makes very little sense if you take into account what we have been told about the Ferrengi since then-

My personal opinion is that if you are going to go apeshit every time a possible minor inconsistancy pops up, you really are watching for the wrong reason. Dammit, Star Trek has a collective 26 seasons and 10 movies of "cannon." Sometimes you just have to stretch things a bit to make an interesting story.

My God, you want a Star Trek series, but you gripe about it constantly when you get it. First Voyager, now this... People, just enjoy the show. It is not real....


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I gave up on Enterprise a few episodes in, but I've been keeping tabs on it just in case it got to be something I would enjoy. So far it hasn't.

Besides, I *liked* Voyager. Sure, it had its good seasons (5 and 6) and its bad ones (1 and 7) along with its share of good episodes ("Heroes & Demons," "Jetrel," "Death Wish," "Lifesigns," "False Profits," "The Q and the Grey," "Real Life," "Distant Origin," "Scorpion," "Message in a Bottle," "Living Witness," "Counterpoint," "Bride of Chaotica," "Course: Oblivion," "Think Tank," "Relativity," "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy," "Pathfinder," "Blink of an Eye," "Memorial," "Life Line," "Critical Care," "Inside Man," "Author, Author," "Homestead," "Renaissance Man") and its bad episodes ("Cathexis," "Twisted," "Maneuvers," "Threshold," "Macrocosm," "Blood Fever," "The Darkling, "Rise," "The Gift," "The Omega Directive," "Unforgettable," "Timeless," "Thirty Days," "Gravity," "The Fight," "11:59," "Alice," "Tsunkatse," "Fury," "Drive," "Repression," "Nightingale," "Shattered," "Prophecy," "Workforce," "Endgame), but overall, I found it to be an enjoyable show that held true to the Star Trek that Roddenberry created.

I don't see that in Enterprise, and I am sorely disappointed.
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Well, you kinda have to watch something to know if you like it or not. You've missed out on some pretty good stuff if you gave up that early. What was the last episode you saw?



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The one where the temporal cold war was introduced.

After that, I've just been keeping an eye on it.

It didn't satisfy me as a Star Trek show, and unfortunately, I found it impossible to look at it in any other way.
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"Course: Oblivion"

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How in the hell could that be in your "Good episode" list?

That was the last episode of Voyager that I watched on it's first showing because it left such, SUCH a terrible taste in my mouth after seeing it.



And I don't care about the Ferrengi issue. They tried to have an episode with them; it was bad, so they'll probably totally drop them and never bring them back. YAY!

The only thing I care about is how we're going to get 'Cowboys in Space' now, which I'm not particularly looking forward to. If I wanted to see that, I'd watch Farscape.

At least I have acess to Season 1 and 2 of Babylon 5 to keep me happy! Yay!



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I really, really, really loved "Course: Oblivion." Don't ask me why exactly, but it might've just been the shock of it continuing the story started in "Demon" and NOT sucking.
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AHOY MATES!I want there to be an explaination of why the technology wnet the way of the 1960's between "enterprise" and TOS. Did the Romulan war do so much damage that they totally regresed. and yes, it has been established by the episodes that a: Scotty went to the holodeck to visit the old enterprise, and b: when the DS9 crew went back in time to DSS K7.



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Maybe because TOS was done in the 60's? Budget. No further explanation is needed.

Course: Oblivion wasn't that bad... Voyager had done worse before that episode.



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    Originally posted by Ender
    The only thing I care about is how we're going to get 'Cowboys in Space' now, which I'm not particularly looking forward to. If I wanted to see that, I'd watch Farscape.
If THEY wanted cowboys in space they should've picked up Firefly.

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