The W
Views: 101388491
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
18.12.14 0639
The W - Pro Wrestling - Edge out hurt (moral: never win the Smackdown title) (Page 3)
This thread has 107 referrals leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Thread rated: 4.50
Pages: Prev 1 2 3 4 Next
(3747 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (64 total)
Oliver
Scrapple








Since: 20.6.02
From: Kolob

Since last post: 8 days
Last activity: 2 days
#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.27

Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
Please, WWE...put the title on Kane. I'm tired of Batista and Khali just sucks. Khali as a champ does not inspire me to watch SD.


(edited by CRZ on 19.7.07 1614)


Steven Oliver Kruetzmann's Facebook profile


I've seen TEN movies so far this year: Because I Said So - (2*); Borat - (5*); Children Of Men - (4*); Fantastic Four 2 - (4.5*); Harry Potter 5 - (4*); Knocked Up - (4*); The Last Mimsy - (4*); Shrek The Third - (3*); Spiderman 3 - (3.5*); Transformers - (2*)
Jackson
Sujuk








Since: 4.1.02

Since last post: 2046 days
Last activity: 1571 days
#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
Yet Cena still manages to remain in perfect health. It's shit like this that almost makes me kinda understand those little emo fruits.

Almost.





kentish
Andouille








Since: 19.8.05
From: My Old Kentucky Home

Since last post: 26 days
Last activity: 11 days
#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
    Originally posted by Jackson
    Yet Cena still manages to remain in perfect health. It's shit like this that almost makes me kinda understand those little emo fruits.

    Almost.




For a guy who is often accused of being on roids, he does seem to stay healthy.

At this point, an injury may be the only thing that can pry the belt from his vice like grip. 10 months these days is the equivalent of twice that much 15-20 years ago. My point being: Damn, he's had the belt for a long time!

In the last 2 and a half years, I would bet he has held that belt at least 2 full years total.




Dean! Have you been shooting dope into your scrotum? You can tell me! I'm hip!
Matt Tracker
Scrapple








Since: 8.5.03
From: North Carolina

Since last post: 19 hours
Last activity: 23 min.
#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
    Originally posted by kentish
    In the last 2 and a half years, I would bet he has held that belt at least 2 full years total.


Damn near. According to Solie's (solie.org) title histories, as of today, he's held the belt for a cumulative 23 months and 26 days since April 2005.



"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker

My blog will amuse. (heygregory.blogspot.com)
kentish
Andouille








Since: 19.8.05
From: My Old Kentucky Home

Since last post: 26 days
Last activity: 11 days
#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
God, that is a stranglehold on a belt unlike anything we have seen since the days of Hogan. Yes, even more than HHH in 2002-04.




Dean! Have you been shooting dope into your scrotum? You can tell me! I'm hip!
TheOldMan
Landjager








Since: 13.2.03
From: Chicago

Since last post: 170 days
Last activity: 7 days
#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.74
One thing to consider, back when Hogan was holding the belt for years at a time, there was maybe 4 PPVs a year, and no competitive matches on TV. The business model was to use TV to gear up for that one big money match, then spend the better part of the next three months cashing in on the same match on the house show circuit.

I think people (me, for one) complain about Cena because they've used the same "babyface overcomes seemingly impossible odds" formula for most of this 30-month run. It's beyond tired.



Even his championship losses seem to be fluky, so 'smarter' fans have caught on that no matter the obstacle, Cena trumps all in the end.

So what's going to happen now that HHH is around the corner, and apparently returning in all his "The Game" glory? His entire gimmick up until the DX reunion has been that all that matters is him holding the WHT. In booking terms, you have the immovable object meeting the irresistible force But they've done Cena/HHH as the main event of the last two WrestleManias... so I can't see HHH in championship programs with Cena, meaning one of them is going to have to be moved to a secondary role, right?




It's the Big "W", I tell ya! The Big "W"!
SchippeWreck
Banger








Since: 26.3.03
From: Glendale, CA

Since last post: 2 days
Last activity: 13 hours
#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    But they've done Cena/HHH as the main event of the last two WrestleManias...

Not unless HHH stands for Heart Hreak Hid, they haven't. HHH was last in the WM main at WM 22, so they could easily make that the big program to build to.



My mom says sigs are bad for you.
TheOldMan
Landjager








Since: 13.2.03
From: Chicago

Since last post: 170 days
Last activity: 7 days
#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.74
D-OH, you're right. It was Cena/HHH at WM 21 & 22. HBK had to stand in for his injured buddy last year I was even rooting for Shawn in that one. Watching Cena's reign of impossible babyface comebacks must have affected my brain?




It's the Big "W", I tell ya! The Big "W"!
Psycho Penguin
Liverwurst








Since: 24.6.07
From: Greenacres FL

Since last post: 1530 days
Last activity: 1526 days
AIM:  
Y!:
#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    D-OH, you're right. It was Cena/HHH at WM 21 & 22. HBK had to stand in for his injured buddy last year I was even rooting for Shawn in that one. Watching Cena's reign of impossible babyface comebacks must have affected my brain?


Just stop while you're not too far behind. Cena vs HHH has happened at one WM, you don't want to seem to admit that.



http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/9471.html
kentish
Andouille








Since: 19.8.05
From: My Old Kentucky Home

Since last post: 26 days
Last activity: 11 days
#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
It's pretty funny that he forgot about HBK-Cena, and it was pictured in his own post. I'll have 2 of whatever he's having!

But I do agree that they have done the same thing with Cena for 30 months, with little to no character development. Compare that to the changes in Austin or Rock from 1997-99. Or even HHH from 1998-2000.




Dean! Have you been shooting dope into your scrotum? You can tell me! I'm hip!
oldschoolhero
Knackwurst








Since: 2.1.02
From: nWo Country

Since last post: 2043 days
Last activity: 1977 days
#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Austin's reign as superface was only so fluid because of a)the neck injury, and b)another mercurial face coming up right alongside him in the form of The Rock. Without those two factors, Austin would've dominated just as much. Cena has neither of those things to stop him.



To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires, and lights, in a box.-Edward R. Murrow
djp
Morcilla








Since: 16.2.07
From: 3rd Floor, NW window

Since last post: 185 days
Last activity: 32 days
#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.26
I believe Kane would have been a much better choice as well. What do you have to work with in Khahli? 1) He's a monster 2) He's an 'unstoppable force' 3) He's ... well ... I can't think of a third (and those first two might just count as one). But with Kane: 1) He's a great worker 2) He's capable of great matches with various styles of other wrestlers 3) He has a very strong gimic that's been working well as a demented monster 4) He's reputable as he's already been champ (albeit for a very short run) and wrestled nearly every top star in the business at one point or another 4) He's great on the mic 5) He's extremely durable and (trying not to jinx here) isn't likely to miss a long period to injury 6) Let's face it, he's earned it.

Maybe WWE is going to put the strap on him at the GAB, but if the Khali run is scheduled for more than a week, I think it's a pretty poor decision.
JustinShapiro
Scrapple
Moderator








Since: 12.12.01
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 16 hours
Last activity: 6 hours
#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Austin's reign as superface was only so fluid because of a)the neck injury, and b)another mercurial face coming up right alongside him in the form of The Rock. Without those two factors, Austin would've dominated just as much. Cena has neither of those things to stop him.


'zactly. Cena's got real competition for the tippy top spot from Triple H (in a way, much more than Austin from the Rock since Rock was not the third most influential guy in the company), but Cena avoided interruption from two likely-lengthy Triple H runs, first in 2005 when launching ECW changed the plans for the title, and then this year when Hunter got hurt and missed out on his planned Wrestlemania win. Shawn Michaels getting hurt also kept the belt on Cena because they would've probably done a title switch back and forth to keep that feud fresh since it was going to be the feud on top to carry that show all summer.

Another big difference is the two brands and two world champions situation, where a guy only has half as much competition for the top spot -- which is the top spot on Raw, but having some of the stars on Smackdown means there's less guys in the mix as options for the belt. Without two world titles, there almost certainly never would've been reigns by Benoit, Eddie Guerrero (who was really hot but I'm not sure he would've ever been given the world belt if there was only one to go around at the time), JBL, Edge's first win which proved him as worthy for the second real run, Rey Mysterio, Booker T, or really any Smackdown champion since Cena came to Raw (Batista was super over, much more than Cena, when both he and Cena won their titles, but was surpassed by him in pretty much every way possible after the HHH feud ran its course).


    Originally posted by djpetti
    2) He's capable of great matches with various styles of other wrestlers


And those wrestlers are ... Chris Benoit only. Shit.
BigDaddyLoco
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02

Since last post: 23 hours
Last activity: 1 hour
#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.32



    Originally posted by djpetti
    2) He's capable of great matches with various styles of other wrestlers


And those wrestlers are ... Chris Benoit only. Shit.


Well, I also really liked his matches with Kurt Angle and RVD, but that's not going to help matters right now much either.

I think Rey Rey might be able to get some good matches out of him.



Jackson
Sujuk








Since: 4.1.02

Since last post: 2046 days
Last activity: 1571 days
#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
How exactly can anyone get over enough to compete with Cena when he beats every new challenger once a month?



Nuclear Winter
Boudin rouge








Since: 9.11.03
From: Bedford, Michigan

Since last post: 262 days
Last activity: 1 day
AIM:  
#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
I'm as big of a Kane mark as the next guy, but let's be honest here.

    Originally posted by djpetti
    But with Kane: 1) He's a great worker


Kane's a tolerable worker, yes. He's pretty light on his heels for a big man, but there's really nothing amazingly special about him.

    Originally posted by djpetti
    2) He's capable of great matches with various styles of other wrestlers


Kane can be carried to great matches when put with a great worker. Otherwise he tends to be pretty mediocre and repetitive.

    Originally posted by djpetti
    3) He has a very strong gimic that's been working well as a demented monster


At one point, yes, Kane had a great gimmick. But that was before the demasking, as well as the Katie Vick fiasco. He's been treading water since then.

    Originally posted by djpetti
    4) He's great on the mic
Kane's best mic work came when he was using the chronic-smoker voice box.

    Originally posted by djpetti
    6) Let's face it, he's earned it.


Finally I agree with you! For a guy that's been a good company man his entire career, fluctuating between main eventer and upper-midcarder for most of that time, Kane deserves a run with the belt. With so many injuries to top stars, now is the time to go with a guy like Kane: he can do a fantastic job carrying the show for a month or two to give the injured guys a chance to heal.



Stupid of the Year (thingsstuff.741.com)
Alex
Bratwurst








Since: 24.2.02

Since last post: 20 days
Last activity: 5 hours
#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by Jackson
    How exactly can anyone get over enough to compete with Cena when he beats every new challenger once a month?


The old fashioned way of beating the shit out of him a few times, I'd imagine. Cena is such an anomaly in that he manages to be tremendously popular and hated at the same time.
2P4E
Boerewors








Since: 4.1.05
From: SE12, London, UK.

Since last post: 499 days
Last activity: 2 days
#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco



      Originally posted by djpetti
      2) He's capable of great matches with various styles of other wrestlers


    And those wrestlers are ... Chris Benoit only. Shit.


Well, I also really liked his matches with Kurt Angle and RVD, but that's not going to help matters right now much either.

I think Rey Rey might be able to get some good matches out of him.


I liked it when he unexpectedly started chain wrestling with Big Show. Some time near May 19th. It got a few "boring" chants though.



Watching Grunge leg drop New Jack through a press table

Carpet Hed

JustinShapiro
Scrapple
Moderator








Since: 12.12.01
From: Pittsburgh, PA

Since last post: 16 hours
Last activity: 6 hours
#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Well, I also really liked his matches with Kurt Angle and RVD, but that's not going to help matters right now much either.


Kurt Angle also did have some very good matches with him, you're right. That Angle/Kane from Smackdown where Kane tapped is probably the best Kane match ever. Second best I'd say is Benoit/Kane from Vengeance '04. Other guys who have had ***+ matches with Kane: Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, and ... Test. How about that.

    Originally posted by Duke Nukem
    For a guy that's been a good company man his entire career, fluctuating between main eventer and upper-midcarder for most of that time, Kane deserves a run with the belt.


I think Kane's window of being a serious player ended when he was really hot after losing his mask and going insane and having the unique entrance where they brought him to the ring in chains, but then he went into a feud where he had to sell for Shane McMahon and that'll flatten anybody out. Plus they gradually stopped treating him as a unique violent scary guy and he just became another big mean heel.

Then again, I would've said Khali's window of headlining ended after he put Cena over twice (in what was actually a very successful little program).

If we're going to talk about who 'deserves' something at the moment, though, between Kane and Batista, which one of them had the two great matches with Undertaker and two good matches with Edge over the last four months? Granted, Kane missed out on the chance to show how good a match he could have with Edge, but Taker and Kane certainly never had any matches anywhere close to that good.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 22.7.07 1948)
Jackson
Sujuk








Since: 4.1.02

Since last post: 2046 days
Last activity: 1571 days
#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
    Originally posted by Alex
      Originally posted by Jackson
      How exactly can anyone get over enough to compete with Cena when he beats every new challenger once a month?


    The old fashioned way of beating the shit out of him a few times, I'd imagine. Cena is such an anomaly in that he manages to be tremendously popular and hated at the same time.


Well yeah, exactly, but when are they ever going to let somone besides HHH do it?



Pages: Prev 1 2 3 4 Next
Thread rated: 4.50
Pages: Prev 1 2 3 4 Next
Thread ahead: Lawler ruckus at Raw?
Next thread: Mean Gene : The Rockstar (Flashback)
Previous thread: Tons of Classic Promos
(3747 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
- dMp, Captionomics! (2004)
Related threads: "smackdown" added to dictionary - Smackdown 7/6/07 - Smackdown 06-29-07 - More...
The W - Pro Wrestling - Edge out hurt (moral: never win the Smackdown title) (Page 3)Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.395 seconds.