I've often wondered, but never known: Low budget ECW would use real songs- "Enter Sandman," "Man in the Box," etc. for their entrances, but WCW with Time Warner money had to use cheap ripoffs- Russo's "not Iron Man," Jarett's Kid Rock ripoff, DDP's "teen spirit" clone.
Why? How could Heyman afford to use those songs? Metallica lets noone use their music as far as I know. You can't even buy their CDs from BMG music club. I would think it would be the opposite. Can anyone help me here?
Dollars to donuts says ECW could get away with using the music because very little attention was paid to them; if the WWF or WCW did that, someone might notice. I really doubt Heyman paid, though I could be wrong.
Originally posted by count olafHow could Heyman afford to use those songs?
They couldn't really, it's probably one of the many reasons ECW is bankrupt and dead. As for Metallica songs, "Enter Sandman" was usually the Motorhead version on commercial tape/DVD releases to cut costs. Which still didn't work that well...
Sporting events, like radio stations, can "broadcast" music free of royalty fees as long as it is not the focus of the event. TV companies cannot use them, which is why when ECW went to TNN they had to use their own versions pulled from the ECW CDs. ECW did have an arrangement with Dope near the end, though.
From what I gather, the ECW syndicated show was not produced by a TV company, but rather sold to TV companies, and as such was treated as a recording of a local sporting event.
Something tells me that WCW not only didn't want to pay for rights, but also tried to pass off the music as original to the fans. Jimmy Hart probably had a lot of pride at stake, too.
If anybody knows better on this, please correct me.
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Jimmy Hart was also very “good” when it came to ripping off WWF music and using it for WCW-- see Hogan's “American Made”, Savage's “Pomp and Circumstance” (which, of course, isn't really a wrestling song at all, it's the song used at high school graduations), and PerfecShawn Stasiak's music, which was basically a rekeyed version of Mr. Perfect's WWF music.
In his defense, I did like the original Outsiders music, Chris Benoit's last theme before leaving for the WWF (complete with the awesome entrance), and Kidman's killer music. Though whether or not those songs can be fairly attributed to him, I don't know.
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Well, "Pomp and Circumstance" wasn't originaly composed for high school graduations either, so it's fair to call it a wrestling song, if you like - just as fair as calling it a high school graduation song. :)
Last week a friend of mine picked up a ECW dvd for the english market (some 99-2000 show, forgot then name) and first i only thought 'hmm..announcers are quiet during the intros?' when some dance music played for (i believe) york & matthews. Now I could see those guys have dance..
Then i noticed that EVERYONE had some lame crap house/dance entrance and that it was obviously mixed in laters including some horrible sounding ecw chant.
So..obviously they didnt have the copyrights to the songs the wrestlers really used.
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Really? I got a few ECW '99-'00 DVD's last year and the music is intact. The really weird thing is that 'Walk' now sounds completely wrong for RVD after everyone last year was complaining that he needed that song. The Breaking Point song fits better due to the higher tempo, I think. However, I will kill someone if the WWE sign Simon Diamond and do not give him Drain STH.
The Royal Rumble '02 DVD I bought does not have 'Rolling' or 'Never Gonna Stop'. The Undertaker entrance looks particulary stupid as all the fans are doing the 'steering-wheel' hand signals. Plus it made me realise how much I miss Edge and Christian's old music
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