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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.40
I was not suprised at the outcome of the main event. Angle did the same job to RVD at the ECW Philly house show this past weekend (which I attended). It was a hot crowd for the match and we loved it was a clean pin finish. Also CM Punk debuted at the show and the crowd was crazy for him. Can't wait to see him on tv every week.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
The 18-only thing isn't going to work. School's out - this is the time people take their kids to a wrestling show. Besides, if I'm paying $30 bucks a pop to get in, I'm not going again if they kick you out before the show is over.

They never did that at ECW before, and "18 Only" isn't going to make them have Kelly strip on TV. That's not happening. The solution is to tape it at smaller venues.

I also can't see how Sandman can sell tickets when all they have him doing is caning gimmick characters.

The thing I think separated ECW from the other feds was that you could watch some pretty good, long matches sometimes. Last night was about 50-50 on that. The rest was the same garbage you can watch on Raw.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
2-1? More like 0-3.

This was not a good show. Yes, it was better than last week's, and yes, last week's was better than week 1's. Considering week 1 was unwatchable, that doesn't say much for the next two shows. It's like they're doing just enough to try to keep people checking to see it improves every week, without actually SATISFYING anyone.

Sabu vs. Roadkill was nothing special. It's being overpraised because it was ZOMG A MATCH BETWEEN ECW GUYZ THAT DIDN'T HAVE WWE GUYZ INVOLVED!!!!! Not a bad match, but hardly a shining beacon of hope.

Angle and RVD was pretty good, but hardly "match of the year." More than anything, the main appeal of the match was the fact that it had a clean finish.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.31
It was a fine show, but I still don't think it's seperated itself from just another hour of Raw and Smackdown, and if it's just another hour of Raw and Smackdown then why bother? Why not actually work on making Raw and Smackdown better? The Kelly expose the last two weeks was boring but this week it was just stupid. Knox was JUST out there covering her up and now he's suddenly disappeared long enough for Kelly to dance for 10 minutes? Ok so Big Show is being made to look like a monster, that's cool, but I don't like seeing Dreamer get squashed in the process. That role should go to Al Snow or Stevie Richards or somebody like that.

And Angle vs RVD is match of the year? Please. It was a nice match but it wasn't even the best match of the WEEK thanks to Shelton, Carlito and Nitro at Vengeance.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And Angle vs RVD is match of the year? Please. It was a nice match but it wasn't even the best match of the WEEK thanks to Shelton, Carlito and Nitro at Vengeance.


I didn't get the PPV. That's why I called RVD/Angle the uber-subjective MY match of the year, not an all-encompassing THE match of the year.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    I hope WWE's smart enough not to debut Test during one of the two tapings NOT done with Smackdown. I get the feeling an ECW crowd will crap all over him, and it'll be ugly.


Well, it's said Paul Heyman is high on Test (it was actually his idea to bring him to ECW), so I'm sure Paul will make sure to debut him at the right time (ie, not in Philly next week or the Hammerstein on August 1).

    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    Sabu's already a star, Omega. He's already been featured on at least 2 WWE DVD's apart from the ECW ones, so he should be sort of familiar to the WWE fans.


I think you might be overestimating how many WWE fans actually go out and buy a lot of the WWE DVDs, though.

    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    People watching might not be THAT familiar with Doring, Roadkill, and Francine, but I think they know they were in ECW. They don't know who the heck Mike Knox and Kelly are.


True, but they're working on that. Paul Heyman was adamant that the new ECW brand can't be a nostalgia show. Paul is said to be high on Knox and wanted to rush him on TV. By giving him a character, a storyline, and putting him over guys like Doring, he is attempting to establish new stars to the brand, which they need to do.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    It could have gone wrong in a lot of predictable ways, and it didn't. That makes me a happy fan.
I don't want to harp (but here I go again), but just so I understand, should I sum up your definition of "match of the year" as "match which digressed furthest from all the cynical expectations I'd made ahead of time?" Because even if THAT is the case, the "match of the year" is probably Hunter tapping out at WrestleMania.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying this was a BAD match, but there sure were a lot of those shitty RVD elbows-in-lieu-of-punches that I really hate, and I wasn't really buying the mat wrestling segment to open the match. They also had an incredibly obvious "commercial break cue" spot, which I will grant seems to happen in EVERY TV match these days. So I guess they had me then they lost me, whereas they brought YOU back after you tried to be lost in your expectations. (That previous sentence's syntax should probably also get lost, but hopefully my meaning comes through.)

I know you'd probably like an example of something which I thought was a better match since I'm going to all the trouble to make this argument, so... Just off the top of my head, Angle's match with Taker at No Way Out was miles ahead of this one and is probably MY match of the year at this point.

(If you're taking this to mean I think Taker was a better opponent for Angle than RVD, well, you're probably right. If you're taking this to mean I think Taker is a better opponent for ANYBODY than RVD....that would probably only be right about two thirds of the time, I reckon - any time the opponent could carry EITHER guy, it'd be better to have Taker - if the opponent needs carrying, it's probably a 50-50 split depending on style. If the opponent is between RVD and Taker...well again it's probably a 50-50 split depending on style.)

Keep in mind my opinions mean shit all, and I'm just as likely to argue the exact opposite of this in six months (or may have six months ago). It's just how I feel right now after reading your statement about this match on this day. There, that should be weaselly enough!



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I don't want to harp (but here I go again), but just so I understand, should I sum up your definition of "match of the year" as "match which digressed furthest from all the cynical expectations I'd made ahead of time?" Because even if THAT is the case, the "match of the year" is probably Hunter tapping out at WrestleMania.


For me, the stars aligned with this match. The usual shenanigans did not occur and other, good things did. The sum was greater than the whole of the parts.

    Originally posted by CRZ
    It's just how I feel right now after reading your statement about this match on this day.


I'm of the exact same mind, and there's still plenty of time for another match to occur on TV -- even this week -- which could surpass what I got from last night's match. I could rewatch it and decide I was obviously drunk on orange jello last night. Hey, my favorite of all involved was the one sitting at ringside (no, not Lita). Believe me, no one is more surprised that I enjoyed that match that much.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.29
Besides which, Match of the Year so far is Blood Generation v Do Fixer from "Supercard of Honor".

On topic: ECW has yet to impress me. I'm keeping it on my DVR recording schedule, but I don't think I'll be watching any more until CM Punk debuts.

In summary, RoH is so much better, blah blah blah.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
Where to start?

Re: last night's main being anyone's "Match of the Year." Heck, I'll buy it. I've gotten two PPVs this year (ONS II and WM.) I haven't yet waded through my ROH tapes and Impact has no good matches to speak of. Van Dam winning that match clean was one of the more suprising results in months and was the complete antithesis of WWE booking. We all KNEW Edge was going to run-in and cause some nonsense. Yet, he did not. As far as the best TV mathes so far, I'd give it a good rating. Champion pins legit challenger clean on TV happnes once in a blue midget moon in Vince McMahon's sports entertainment.
Incidentally, since we're throwing down, I'll go Edge and Foley at 'Mania as my fave match this year. Or I could go for my smart points and say that the DO Fixer match at ROH (that I haven't seen yet) is the match of the year.


I thought it was a good show. The pacing of the show is light years better than Impact right now. They're not wasting segments---okay, the Kelly stuff ain't exactly rocking my world, but divas (or vixens or whatever) draw money and they're justifying it as a reason to have Mike Knox around. Impact has segments showing Jeff Jarret walking into Cornette's office, a segment where Borash reports that no one has come out yet, and then a segment where Jarrett leaves. THAT's wasting segments.

Sabu and Roadkill had a neat little match. I wouldn't weep for Roadkill, they've had him in developmental for a while, I'm sure after they got done burying the old ECW guys, they'll repackage him and stick him on SD. Y'know, talk about unfairness, you have deadbeats like Doring and Credible getting WWE contracts just because they were slightly over in ECW 10 years ago. No more talk about them being buried; there are 1000 more qualified guys in the indies and developmental.


RE: comment about overestimating how many WWE fans buy DVDs. Well, considering that Vince McMahon is swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck from the sales those DVDs generate, I'd guess it's hard to overestimate.I'd say Sabu is at least known by the vast majority of the audience. Believe me, they've at least heard of 'em. I think sometimes the smart fans dismiss the fabled 'casual' audience as being completely clueless to the history of the sport. In my experience, that's not the case. It's not like baseball or football where people can just watch it to watch, if you're at a wrestling show or watching on TV, I'd guess that you have some sort of built-in knowledge about the sport. Sabu was a known commodity before coming into the WWE. His work is being exposed to the largest audience of his career, but don't try to play the guy like he's Reckless Youth getting a call-up. Sabu was a star and he's becoming a bigger star now.


Great promo by Kurt; it was very ECW-esque. Everyone needs to shut up about him jobbing. Even with the 'shooter' gimmick or whatever, it does no good to have him mow down everyone. Angle's on borrowed time and losing a match won't hurt his career one iota.

Not really feeling the Tommy stuff. It's such a repeat of the Sandman stuff from 10 years ago or so; which, I must point out, is recycling something that's far older than what DX is doing. I like Dreamer, but these segments do nothing for me.

Knox looked okay, gives off a creepy vibe; which I suppose is the point. The Kelly stuff is what it is. I fast forwarded through it and still managed to admire her ass.

This may have been my fave Sandman skit, and really did the best job of putting him over. The part where the stripper jerked off Sandman's cane and Sandman spit beer in disbelief caught be so off-guard that I actually laughed.

Incidentally, the crowd seems to be getting more into the show, so something must be connecting.

Finally, what's the big deal about the Cena chants? It's not like it was being used as a rejection of ECW. Van Damn beat Cena for the title and then had fought him the night before. Cena's arch-nemesis Edge was at ringside. The fans chanting for Cena kind of played into the angle they're developing. Cena HAD been on every ECW show until last night. In fact, Cena is even challenging Edge and Van Dam at SNME. Those chants just show that the audience cares about the storyline.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.54
THIS IS FUN. I would call the Blood Generation six-man the MOTY, but WWE MOTY would go

1. Angle vs. Undertaker, No Way Out
2. Foley vs. Edge, Wrestlemania
3. Rey vs. Angle, Smackdown June (best of all if it had a finish)


As I understand it, Kelly is an exhibitionist.



    Everyone needs to shut up about Kurt jobbing.


Uh, or else what.


    Even with the 'shooter' gimmick or whatever, it does no good to have him mow down everyone. Angle's on borrowed time and losing a match won't hurt his career one iota.


If Angle is going to be a 50/50 guy in terms of jobs then they shouldn't bother booking him as the shooter-killer because it's not going to get over. A Kurt divided against himself cannot stand.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.81
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    This may have been my fave Sandman skit, and really did the best job of putting him over. The part where the stripper jerked off Sandman's cane and Sandman spit beer in disbelief caught be so off-guard that I actually laughed.


I also laughed at this, but I don't think he was spitting beer in disbelief. I think he was spitting it in unison with that stripper, uh, stroking his kendo stick. I think it was meant to remind people of a sexual act.

Oh God, I hope I'm not the only one who interpreted it this way...
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    The Kelly stuff is what it is. I fast forwarded through it and still managed to admire her ass.
Oh my God, it was completely unconscious at the time, but reading this just made me realize that I did the same thing. I even rewound to get a better look. Ugh, I disgust myself.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
Well, Meltzer is now reporting that Angle's string of jobs is due to the fact that he's taking time off to heal. So that answers that.




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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.54
I rescind my earlier statement! I wonder what the word "extended" means to Kurt Angle.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I rescind my earlier statement! I wonder what the word "extended" means to Kurt Angle.
'til SummerSlam (he loves the big payday!) is my guess.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Well, Meltzer is now reporting that Angle's string of jobs is due to the fact that he's taking time off to heal. So that answers that.

I didn't interpret it as a string of jobs. He lost a screwy match to Orton and to RVD cleanly, but considering how strongly he's been built in the past month (and the fact that he already had a win against Orton going into Sunday's match), I really didn't read it as him being "jobbed out" or anything. After all, it's only two matches...granted, it's within a three day period, but still.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
    Originally posted by OMEGA
    Well, Meltzer is now reporting that Angle's string of jobs is due to the fact that he's taking time off to heal. So that answers that.


That makes sense, I guess. I wondered why they hot-shotted an Angle vs. RVD match. I thought that one would headline the next ECW PPV in December.

So I guess that will leave RVD vs. Big Show ...
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
Big Show maybe, but it certainly seems like they're building up Sabu as a viable challenger. He's the only strictly ECW guy getting over. You could argue Sandman is too, but I'm betting that overness fades once he's put in actual matches.

    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      I rescind my earlier statement! I wonder what the word "extended" means to Kurt Angle.
    'til SummerSlam (he loves the big payday!) is my guess.


That seems like a short break, though. Maybe he'll do the string of jobs leading up to SummerSlam, then take the break. Then again, while that period seems too short to heal, it's also way too long for a losing streak.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    That seems like a short break, though. Maybe he'll do the string of jobs leading up to SummerSlam, then take the break. Then again, while that period seems too short to heal, it's also way too long for a losing streak.


Yeah, but this is Kurt Angle. I can imagine Kurt calling Vince by the end of the week and saying he's all healed up and ready to go.




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