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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.86
Why is SmackDown Superstar Kane featured so prominently in the ECW open?

I hate Morrison and Miz individually but love them as a team. I can't put my finger on it, but the whole is definitely greater than the sum of its parts, in my eyes. Next week's rematch should be lots o' fun.

Shelton beat Stevie cleanly. To me, this makes a strong statement, since Stevie was being pushed strongly in the last month.

Punk-Chavo was a super match with a super ending. The roll-through Boston crab is probably my favorite move in all of wrestling. Also, that was an AWESOME tornado DDT. Punk is a super-seller. Chavo ends the feud as the winner and with an exclamation point. But, does it matter? How is he involved in WM? Punk probably gets a MitB spot, but what about Chavo?

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
It was sort of weird that Stevie got pinned cleanly after three weeks of a quasi-push but not that weird when you think about the fact that it was Stevie.

Punk praising Eddie as a warrior while calling Chavo a coward was kind of odd, too. Eddie would pretend to get hit by a chair to get his opponent disqualified!

But come on, D&D vs. M&M in EXTREME RULES next week? I haven't been so psyched for an ECW match since the Moore Wang vs. M&M 15 minutes of fame tag title match a month and a half or so ago!
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
Chavo/Punk was PPV-quality. The losses by Stevie and Punk (as clean a win as Chavo can get) were surprising. That blocked springboard move was scary.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Chavo/Punk was PPV-quality. The losses by Stevie and Punk (as clean a win as Chavo can get) were surprising. That blocked springboard move was scary.


So as clean as Chavo can get is...completely clean? He also won cleanly at No Way Out.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
    Originally posted by AlbySure
    So as clean as Chavo can get is...completely clean? He also won cleanly at No Way Out.


In this match, Chavo draped Punk crotch first on the rope before frogsplashing him. Deliberate crotch shots are grounds for DQ, even in ECW. I didn't see the PPV match, and if it was an utterly clean win (no tights pulled, no use of ropes, etc.), then I'm more surprised by Chavo taking out ECW's top star so easily.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by AlbySure
      So as clean as Chavo can get is...completely clean? He also won cleanly at No Way Out.


    In this match, Chavo draped Punk crotch first on the rope before frogsplashing him. Deliberate crotch shots are grounds for DQ, even in ECW.


Wrestling is fake.

Seriously, though, that's about as close as a clean win for a heel in 2008 WWE is going to get. I didn't even notice the crotch shot, and I don't think Joey and Tazz made much over it. Chavo was put over pretty strong.
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#7 Posted on
I agree with the love for the main event.

Well done to the video editing guys for making Monday's Big Show/Mayweather confrontation look more like an actual conversation, rather than the uncomfortable series of soundbites played at random intervals it seemed on RAW.

Colin Delaney hasn't been a completely terrible or boring thing (yet) contrary to my expectations.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
    Originally posted by 2P4E
    I agree with the love for the main event.


Let me reiterate that, however I might quibble of Chavo's presentation in ECW, he and Punk put on a SHOW.



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#9 Posted on
Chavo's pin at the PPV, for the record, was also clean as a whistle. He capitalized on a mistake by Punk to hit the Frogsplash. No low blows, no tights, no holding the ropes.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
So, Chavo vs. Kane at Wrestlemania? There really isn't anyone else on the ECW side who could be in line for a title shot. I had thought maybe Stevie could somehow get in as the sentimental underdog, but the loss to Shelton pretty much quashes that (even moreso than the unlikely idea of Stevie Richards getting a WM singles match).



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Out of all of the remixed music entrances, Shelton's has by far been the best. The lyrics sound about the same, but it sounds a lot more hip and current. I like it.



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#12 Posted on
I was impressed by Chavo's clean win as well, I'm almost wondering if it is time for them to let Chavo feud with Elijah or Shelton for a little while (Morrison is even a viable threat to the title). The problem is that there are no faces in any of those feuds and it is time to let someone other than Punk wrestle for the title.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
    I was impressed by Chavo's clean win as well, I'm almost wondering if it is time for them to let Chavo feud with Elijah or Shelton for a little while (Morrison is even a viable threat to the title). The problem is that there are no faces in any of those feuds and it is time to let someone other than Punk wrestle for the title.

Chavo could always be turned pretty quickly by someone shitting on Eddie's memory. Sure, Chavo himself did that repeatedly, but hey, who remembers last month?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.37
    Originally posted by spf
    Chavo could always be turned pretty quickly by someone shitting on Eddie's memory. Sure, Chavo himself did that repeatedly, but hey, who remembers last month?
The catch is that Chavo Guerrero is living proof that charisma isn't hereditary. It's hard to believe that the nephew of Eddie Guerrero and the son of Chavo Classic could be so bland and dull, but there he is. Decent wrestler, but no personality to speak of. He always comes across as forced when a heel, and sleep-inducing as a babyface.

They could play up Eddie's memory and try to make Chavo a sympathetic babyface, but that would work about as well as it has in the past - people wouldn't boo Chavo, but they just don't really care about him. He's fine when he's got someone to cut promos for him, especially as half of a tag team with someone more charismatic, but as a singles wrestler, I can't really see him advancing any further than he already has.

And personally, I think it's well past time for them to just let Eddie Guerrero rest.



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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by KJames199
    He always comes across as forced when a heel


Kerwin White was excellent.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
His run as Crazy Chavo in WCW ("Shave my head, Uncle Eddy. It's fun!") was top-notch. He got PEPE over as a prop.

Also, Amway Chavo wasn't bad.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
Tonight was the night where they either put Punk over as the champ and then moved him on to another feud for WM, or they put Chavo over as the champ and moved him on to another feud for WM. Looks like they went the latter, which I honestly wasn't expecting.

My only hope is that they do move Punk away from Chavo and onto something else. Maybe even change brands. Because Punk has done way too much losing in ECW title matches; he's looking like a loser. And as a fan of the performer, I hate to see that.
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