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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
Punk vs. Morrison III was far and away their best match. That's the kind of match that shows off what both of those guys are capable of. While the actual circumstances of why Punk finally got the belt aren't ideal (still better than the circumstances of how Morrison got the belt), Punk finally becoming ECW Champion was a great moment in a show that sorely lacks great moments. During earlier parts of the show, I was suspecting the crowd noise might have been cooked a bit since the show was taped on Saturday, but the live crowd was clearly into the match and Punk's triumph.

Rest of the show was nothing special but the main event was excellent.

Boogeyman beats Matt Stiker by countout when Big Daddy V interfered.
The Miz beat Balls Mahoney. Kelly still likes Balls.
Kevin Thorn and Elijah Burke beat Tommy Dreamer and Stevie Richards. Props to Styles and Tazz for making mention of the history between Stevie and Dreamer from the old ECW.
CM Punk defeated John Morrison for the ECW Championship.



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Knowing that Punk was finally going to win the title tonight allowed me to focus on some of the more subtler nuances of the show.

For instance, here's something I can't figure out: I know the idea with Morrison is to rip off Jim Morrison's personality as much as possible down to the semi-stoned promos about gibberish that don't make any sense. So, why, then, is his entrance music less The Doors than something Jimi Hendrix might have written on a bad day?

Philosophical questions aside, solid show. I don't really get how you connect the dots to Big Daddy V being Punk's potential challenger at Unforgiven (which seems to be the popular opinion). He's dominated Boogeyman at every turn and that feud seems far from over. Tonight seems to set up Elijah Burke as the challenger for sure, which would be a good choice considering their (Punk & Burke) history together, and then you book Morrison's rematch for No Mercy in Chicago where he puts Punk over again to firmly establish Punk as champ. That'd be the logical booking, anyway.

Only other thing of note is that Stevie Richards is WAY more over than I remember him being. See what a few well-placed wins can do for a person, Vince?



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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Hopefully, someone in creative can take the next 30 days to give Johnny Nitro a gimmick overhaul, because the whole "John Morrison" phase has been a total bust. Now would seem to be as good a time as any to quietly mercy kill gimmick for good.

(edited by It's False on 4.9.07 2150)



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I like Nitro and thought that the Morrison gimick had potential. But it was too obscure and out of date.
I really think that Nitro could use a Diesel type of muscle to back him up. He is a good wrestler but he is too skinny. He never seemed dominant he seemed lucky. That is more of a face virtue than a heel one.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
    Originally posted by Dahak

    He is a good wrestler but he is too skinny.


It's talk like that that will cause the guy to try steroids. Oh, wait...




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Boogeyman looks severely limited in there. I'm not impressed with him over the past two weeks.

I was surprised to see Miz win so cleanly against Ballz. But I'm more surprised that Ballz wrestles like a small guy. He's huge, yet most of his offense is of the underdog variety. He punches, he kicks. He used a flying forearm (!) last night, but he doesn't use his bulk like he ought to. Even his finishr is the kind of slam driver Vampiro, Dupree, Juvi and TAKA used. I don't remember hearing him yell "balls" when he punches as he did last night, and it diluted the fun of the audience doing so.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.41
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    So, why, then, is his entrance music less The Doors than something Jimi Hendrix might have written on a bad day?


Makes even less sense when you remember that they already have that sweet knockoff of "The End" sitting in their library and everything.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
    Originally posted by Dahak
    I... thought that the Morrison gimick had potential. But it was too obscure...


Obscure? The hell do you mean by that. The Doors were a huge group with great albums.

If anything, Punk is the 'obscure' one. Who the fuck goes around calling themselves 'Straight Edge' these days? Little kids who aren't old enough to buy alcohol, that's who.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.51
    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by Dahak
      I... thought that the Morrison gimick had potential. But it was too obscure...


    Obscure? The hell do you mean by that. The Doors were a huge group with great albums.

    If anything, Punk is the 'obscure' one. Who the fuck goes around calling themselves 'Straight Edge' these days? Little kids who aren't old enough to buy alcohol, that's who.


They were a huge group, but probably not one that the WWE demographic is really even familiar with, or at the very least doesn't care about.

But yeah, the Straight Edge thing is a bit dated. Like, it's cool for him or whatever, but having an Edge wrestler in 2007 to be "current" is about 20 years too late.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
There are enough sXe members of punk/hardcore/whatever bands around now to make it relevant to people now. In fact when one of my friends found out there was a straight edge wrestler he thought it was just WWE exploiting another current trend till i explained that its based on Punk's real life.

And to a certain extent i think it's better that a lot of people don't recognise John Morrisson as a Doors reference; while not great on the mic, his catchphrases etc make him a fine Jericho-esque heel in his own right, anything else Doors-related can just be a nice little in joke between the people who do get it.

Though i take all this back if John Morrisson is written out this week after being found unconscious in a bathtub backstage.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.83
    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by Dahak
      I... thought that the Morrison gimick had potential. But it was too obscure...


    Obscure? The hell do you mean by that. The Doors were a huge group with great albums.

    If anything, Punk is the 'obscure' one. Who the fuck goes around calling themselves 'Straight Edge' these days? Little kids who aren't old enough to buy alcohol, that's who.


By Obscure I meant OLD that is why I said out of date. Don't get me wrong I like the Doors and I thought Morrison's rambling promos were hilarious. But the Door's movie came out 15 years ago and the band ended 30 years ago.
Also switching his gimmick after he won the title wasn't very good timing they should have made him Morrison when he swicthed to ECW.



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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

Here's my take on it:

The Morrison gimmick has potential. A lot of potential. You can see him growing a little more confident with his promo delivery as each week passes, and he's a pretty decent singles wrestler. The main issue is that you don't want someone who's developing his gimmick and working on his main-event singles skills to be a brand's standardbearer - even if that brand is the lowest priority among the three for WWE - because it results in the fans sitting on their hands until the man comes into the gimmick enough to earn a good reaction. That's why the Morrison/Punk match got no reaction at Summerslam - because the fans aren't into Morrison yet and knew he was going to win the match (given how the rest of the show's booking played out) so they didn't pay attention to it.

The other problem is that there's a dearth of babyface talent on ECW for Morrison to feud with. He's already dispatched Dreamer decisively. Stevie Richards is over but hasn't built enough credibility as a main eventer for the fans to accept him in that role. Balls is underrated as a wrestler but is jobbing to the Miz. Boogeyman is very over as a character but can't wrestle worth a lick. Meanwhile, with Punk as champion, Big Daddy V, Elijah Burke and (when he comes back) Marcus Cor Von can all provide credible main event foils.

It was overdue to give Punk the title. He's both tremendously over with the fans and can work a five-star match given the right opponent, and his gimmick/real-life persona is just what WWE needs to push now given the scandal they're caught up in. Hopefully they will come to their senses in the month that Morrison is gone and realize that Punk needs to be their guy NOW.

The ratings went back up for Punk's title win, too (to a 1.6). Here's hoping that they continue in that direction with Punk as champ.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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Im a few weeks behind, if not longer....what happened to Monty errr Marcus Cor Von?

Props to CM Punk, you'd rather see him win it under different circumstances, but he has captured one of the "bigger" WWE titles in just over a year since bein on WWE TV every week.




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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

    Originally posted by Packman V2
    Im a few weeks behind, if not longer....what happened to Monty errr Marcus Cor Von?

He's taken a leave of absence due to undisclosed family issues.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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