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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.32
McMahon's announcement: Cena is stripped, new WWE Champion will be crowned at No Mercy. That's it. Very important to make such a non-announcement about the WWE title on the ECW show.

CM Punk beat Mike Knox.
Kelly agreed to date Balls. Miz reveals he owns the management contract for Extreme Expose, threatens to fire and blackball Kelly from ECW. Kelly reluctantly leaves Balls in the lurch.
Tommy Dreamer beat Elijah Burke to get the ECW title shot at No Mercy.
Estrada announces Big Daddy V vs. Tommy Dreamer immediately.
Big Daddy V beats Dreamer for the title shot.

What a load of horseshit. Really, assholes, really? You couldn't just give Tommy Dreamer the title match at one of the least important of your 12 pay per views? It's just No Mercy, not WrestleMania. Dreamer's not even good enough for No fucking Mercy?

And did they really have to do it that way, tease Dreamer and then take the shot away and hand it to the big fat ass who didn't even compete in the tournament they spent 3 weeks on?

I'm not surprised at WWE at all, just sickened as usual. What dicks.



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To be fair, Tommy's run as number one contender wasn't significantly shorter than his run as ECW champion was.

Happiness is always fleeting and far away for Tommy Dreamer -- but oh, to think how happy he must have been for these fifteen combined minutes of championship-calibur success over the span of his career.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.64
    Originally posted by Amazing Telephone
    To be fair, Tommy's run as number one contender wasn't significantly shorter than his run as ECW champion was.

    Happiness is always fleeting and far away for Tommy Dreamer -- but oh, to think how happy he must have been for these fifteen combined minutes of championship-calibur success over the span of his career.


I weep inside upon reading this and nodding in agreement. I can't count how many times Dreamer's been teased with the brass ring only to be tossed a turd sandwich instead.

There's really nothing else for me to say, except I'm dreading the Punk/Viscera match and inevitable rematch.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
Hey, Punk/Knox got about 15 minutes, and Knox was not bad at all. Did you see that dropkick? I'm impressed. [strikes the Knox pose]



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Amazing Telephone
    To be fair, Tommy's run as number one contender wasn't significantly shorter than his run as ECW champion was.

    Happiness is always fleeting and far away for Tommy Dreamer -- but oh, to think how happy he must have been for these fifteen combined minutes of championship-calibur success over the span of his career.


IF they were smart enough to play this up, it could go somewhere good. I'm not willing to bet even one dollar that they're smart enough.

What gets me is that I actually enjoyed the "Elimination Chase". I thought it was a good concept that was ruined by throwing V out there to screw Dreamer and the fans. Forget the fact that V can't have a good match, they made the fans care only to dump on them at the last minute.
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Stuff I keep forgetting to mention: Hey, did anybody notice the ring announcer demotion/promotion for Tony Chimel/Justin Jason Robertson? Looks like Chimel is permanently attached to ECW now while Robertson takes over Smackdown. I think this happened right after Vengeance.

Did they not show the SAVIOR_SELF clip last night? I didn't see it but I might have just missed it. I wonder if they had to scrap it due to their change in plans...



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    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
      Originally posted by Amazing Telephone
      To be fair, Tommy's run as number one contender wasn't significantly shorter than his run as ECW champion was.

      Happiness is always fleeting and far away for Tommy Dreamer -- but oh, to think how happy he must have been for these fifteen combined minutes of championship-calibur success over the span of his career.


    IF they were smart enough to play this up, it could go somewhere good. I'm not willing to bet even one dollar that they're smart enough.

    What gets me is that I actually enjoyed the "Elimination Chase". I thought it was a good concept that was ruined by throwing V out there to screw Dreamer and the fans. Forget the fact that V can't have a good match, they made the fans care only to dump on them at the last minute.

Agreed on the E.C. being a good idea. It was a nice way to give a couple of weeks worth of spotlight to the idea that the belt, and a shot at winning it, is something worth fighting for. Of course then it turns back into Evil GM Theatre as Estrada gets to be EEEEVIL. Problem is V sucks. If he didn't suck, they could have put him in the chase and let him get over by dominating his way through. Instead because he's only useful hitting his couple power moves and jiggling to the back, he had to be inserted as yet another "bad GM screws good guy" move, again relegating the belt to secondary behind the Punk/Estrada interaction.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
It hasn't done that at all. This is all about Punk/V - they have the issue and Estrada's just being a dick as usual.

Man, I fear for people's health when V goes over on Sunday.



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This shit is infuriating. This company is doomed to failure if this is their idea of actually delivering on something that's promised to the fans. I mean, here I am, actually watching and caring about ECW the past three weeks; the excitement and anticipation building to a crescendo...then Mike Knox walks down to the ring and only does the Mike Knox Thing half-heartedly. He didn't even stop to step his right foot out daintily. Then he lost to freaking CM Punk so we only get to see one rushed attempt the entire evening. Fuck you, WWE.

Well, I'd be upset with the Big Daddy V reveal if the four guys involved in the chase weren't Stevie Richards, Elijah Burke, The Vampire and Ron Jeremy Tommy Dreamer. I'm a little perturbed that they wasted so much time with it, but it's not like the crowd and viewing audience were so behind Tommy Dreamer in the past three weeks that anybody should be all that outraged.

Also, I want to compliment this board, simply because we don't have the people on here who actually think Big Daddy V is GOOD. Not just "oh, he could be worse" but GOOD. I see that on other boards and it mystifies me.



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Well, I'm going to buck the trend here about Big Daddy V. You can't expect a man the size of V to have wrestling moves like Shelton Benjamin, Matt Hardy or CM Bank. You can't expect the man to have a work rate of wrestlers half his size.

There's never been a 450 pound wrestler who had a good work rate. Never and don't say Andre the Giant, Big Show, Bundy, Studd, Crusher Blackwell, Great Khali, Earthquake, Typhoon etc... They all did mostly power moves and rest holds only. They acted just like V does now when they were monster heels.

Big Daddy V is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing for a monster heel, power moves and no selling to smaller guys. That's what monsters are supposed to do in wrestling.

But where I blame ECW for failing with Big Daddy V is there is no face muscle rival to deal with him. So the point in having V in the ECW doesn't work or go over well. It works for a few weeks in handicap matches then it gets old real quick. So I don't blame Mabel but the ECW creative team.

Also, Dreamer getting screwed over was a horrible ending. And the crowd sure reacted like it by being totally dead after V beat up on Dreamer. I don't blame them either.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.30
If it were maybe Mark Henry I'd be a little more for it, as the theme of ECW seems to be one big guy batting away a lot of smaller wrestlers I guess Big Daddy V will have to do. He is better than Khali though. I'd rather have King Kong Bundy fill the roll so we'd at least get the FIVE count.

Kamala would have ruled ECW in his prime.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    Well, I'm going to buck the trend here about Big Daddy V. You can't expect a man the size of V to have wrestling moves like Shelton Benjamin, Matt Hardy or CM Bank. You can't expect the man to have a work rate of wrestlers half his size.

    There's never been a 450 pound wrestler who had a good work rate. Never and don't say Andre the Giant, Big Show, Bundy, Studd, Crusher Blackwell, Great Khali, Earthquake, Typhoon etc... They all did mostly power moves and rest holds only. They acted just like V does now when they were monster heels.

    Big Daddy V is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing for a monster heel, power moves and no selling to smaller guys. That's what monsters are supposed to do in wrestling.

I see what you're saying and I don't refute any of your points. However, my problem is that I have to watch a 450 pound guy who can't do much - and yes, I know he's doing what he can - and I have to ask what the point is of having a 450 pound wrestler around anyway.

People don't see Big Daddy V and say "my God, his size is impressive." They don't see his power moves and go "wow, he's destroying Tommy Dreamer." They see Big Daddy V and say either "wow, look at how fat he is" or "daaaaaaaamn lookit dem titties". You can have monster heels who are much more watchable that get over on their size but not necessarily their girth.

Case in point - Umaga's a very good big man who isn't as big as Big Daddy V and got over tenfold what Big Daddy V has or ever will. As a result of not being 450 pounds, he can do more (he also gets credit for improving dramatically while in All-Japan and upon his E return) and he gets over more. Big Daddy V, on the other hand, will never be anything more than he is now, which is a guy that despite his size the crowd really doesn't react to, nor would they ever.

Big Daddy V is good in the sense that he's not as bad as The Great Khali. Wonderful. My dead grandfather isn't as bad as The Great Khali either. I don't refute that there are worse guys, or that he's doing what he can considering his physical limitations. However, that doesn't make him "good" or entertaining to watch.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    There's never been a 450 pound wrestler who had a good work rate. Never and don't say Andre the Giant, Big Show, Bundy, Studd, Crusher Blackwell, Great Khali, Earthquake, Typhoon etc...


Vader?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.33
People actually think Tommy Dreamer would get a legit shot at a title?

It's his sole purpose since the Raven feud ended to be employed for one reason. To get screwed in the story lines.
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Vader perhaps but he was smaller (he wasn't near the 445 he was billed at). Vader was good. Perhaps Bam Bam Bigalow also was a big guy who would really work a match throughout.

Bundy was big and slow but he really could work a crowd and gave great interviews. V can't do an interview worth squat.

Now a few years ago, Visera could move pretty well around the ring for a big man but really has slowed down recently. The only time Big V was over was when he was Mabel. Just watching him now, I think his knees are shot.

Khali totally sucks. He's big but very weak for his size. Mark Henry is worse than V and much more injury prone. They probably could bring up some young super-heavyweight who can move but Vince doesn't seem to want to go in that direction.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.62
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    super-heavyweight who can move
Good luck finding one! There's a reason why it's always the little guys who are the fastest.



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

"The Mexican rebels aren't running it back for touchdowns, so it's close." (thecubsfan)


    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    They probably could bring up some young super-heavyweight who can move but Vince doesn't seem to want to go in that direction.


But who's a youngun superheavyweight in developmental? Only one I know of is G-Rilla...



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