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From the sounds of it, a lot of people are jumping to the conclusion that Cena's going to main event WM24 against Orton. I'm guessing that he's going to jump to SD and take on Edge, given the history that exists between them, and given that the Elimination Chamber is set for NWO. My guess is Edge/Cena for the World Heavyweight belt, and Orton/HHH for the WWE belt. Anyone else care to make an early prediction?



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Micheals/Taker is the only match I can concieve will happen due to lack of something to do with them.



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Edge and Cena would have a great match, but it's played out. Orton is the guy who took Cena's belt without beating him and put him out for 6 correction 3 months. It's Orton/Cena.

I do wonder now if Michaels/Undertaker was set up by the eliminations or if they will stay with Taker/Edge, which had been the plan since last year's Wrestlemania. If they do go with Michaels/Taker, Edge would be freed up for:

- Triple H consolation prize, but that would mean he'd have to go to Smackdown which will never happen unless he's finally fed up with Cena taking all his glories.

- Jeff Hardy consolation prize, which is why they beat him so decisively on the Raw side (also to make Cena/Orton more of the ultimate battle).

- Ric Flair career vs. title, which would be pretty awesome and would at least seem more possible after Flair got a clean win instead of a sneak over. But the chances of this happening seem low, especially since they seemed to set up Kennedy being the retirer.

If they stick with Taker/Edge, then they could go with Triple H/Batista.
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Edge/Undertaker has lost some of its steam given that Edge lost his WM unbeaten streak at last year's Money In The Bank match. There would be no suspense at all that Undertaker would win, and having foregone conclusions in both title matches isn't the best idea. Plus, there are only so many ways you can feud with Undertaker. I'm not looking forward to a month of scary TitanTron videos, UT facing the Majors in handicap matches and having Cole and the awful Coach talk about the Undertaker playing mind games.



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#5 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Edge/Undertaker has lost some of its steam given that Edge lost his WM unbeaten streak at last year's Money In The Bank match.


He lost his TLC unbeaten streak in 2001, but that didn't stop WWE from pushing him as undefeated against Cena in 2006.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
Edge-Undertaker has been the obvious booking direction since Taker dropped the belt last spring to Edge due to injury.

I really can't believe that HHH is out of the main event picture after last night. Not after the booking on Raw over the last few months. A three way of HHH-Orton-Cena would not surprise me. I can even see HHH taking the belt off of Randy before WM and then getting his win back against Cena.

I think HBK-Kennedy could be stretched out until Mania, as well as JBL-Y2J. Batista has nothing to do, so maybe he will be the one to retire Flair? Sorry Jeff, but it's the unoriginal, "we can't think of anything else to do" Money in the Bank match for you.




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I really wish the HHHate would just go away. Every month, every PPV, all the HHHaters come out and bemoan him and the prospect of him taking the belt, and every month, and every PPV, he does not walk away with gold, and as seen last night, lays down for the people who are drawing the heat.

He is all about business. Like him or not, he is GOOD for the main event because he can wrestle convincingly as a heel or face, as a courageous battler, or a brutal "cerebral" assassin.

But, in the long run, he does what is right for the company. If he was such a glory hog, why didnt he get the belt when Cena went down, and why would they put the belt on somebody whose first run was pretty much met with yawns.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I really wish the HHHate would just go away. Every month, every PPV, all the HHHaters come out and bemoan him and the prospect of him taking the belt, and every month, and every PPV, he does not walk away with gold, and as seen last night, lays down for the people who are drawing the heat.

    He is all about business. Like him or not, he is GOOD for the main event because he can wrestle convincingly as a heel or face, as a courageous battler, or a brutal "cerebral" assassin.

    But, in the long run, he does what is right for the company. If he was such a glory hog, why didnt he get the belt when Cena went down, and why would they put the belt on somebody whose first run was pretty much met with yawns.

I by no means hate Triple H, and I really would've had no problem with him winning the Rumble last night. But every time I see a post like this, I'm reminded of a few months ago when he not only single-handedly fought off the tag team champions, but he also, for no reason, destroyed Kendrick & London, even though they came out to help him and all three are faces. It was the glory-hogging, completely unnecessary segment in a LONG time.
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I agree with geemoney. I don't hate HHH, I just wish he would at least step out of the spotlight on occasion. He might lose big matches, but when is he ever not booked like the biggest star in the company? Even when Cena was champ, it didn't matter, after you watched Raw, HHH (or DX) got the most air time, and looked like the biggest star, even if he was not in the main event program. It was the same way when Benoit, Batista, RVD, and Edge when they were champion on RAW. Not to mention the previously mentioned total squash of the tag champs and #1 contenders for absolutely no good reason. Yeah, he might job, but he never, ever looks weak.




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using the past rumbles as a start to wrestlemania so far the last guys in there go to weretle mania. So that leaves

Raw: Triple H, Cena

Smackdown: Batista

ECW: Punk I think

So seeing as how last year we were sopost to have

HHH vs Cena 2 we could have it this year. It will be like Hogan warrior 2 only good.

Edge vs Batista I don't like this idea as I would much rather see Edge fight some one else. But who else is on Smackdown? Taker? mabe if only to have Edge end takers streak.

Chavo vs punk

Money in the Bank

Jeff vs Shelton Vs Y2j Vs Rey vs MVP vs Morsion

Orton vs Flair

the Money in the back is hard to tell right now as who is to saw that MVP and Jeff wont be in tittle match's but how are we kidding when is the last time thoes belts were defened at wrestlemania?

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I really wish the HHHate would just go away. Every month, every PPV, all the HHHaters come out and bemoan him and the prospect of him taking the belt, and every month, and every PPV, he does not walk away with gold, and as seen last night, lays down for the people who are drawing the heat.

    He is all about business. Like him or not, he is GOOD for the main event because he can wrestle convincingly as a heel or face, as a courageous battler, or a brutal "cerebral" assassin.

    But, in the long run, he does what is right for the company. If he was such a glory hog, why didnt he get the belt when Cena went down, and why would they put the belt on somebody whose first run was pretty much met with yawns.

If when WM ends HHH doesn't have the belt, then I will say you might be on to something. But after the events of Raw last night, I can't help but feeling that nothing has changed about the (I think) inevitable marcHHH to WM, only difference is who gets the chance to lose to HHH at the big one. Instead of a properly built up Orton v. Cena match at WM we get a rushed build to No Way Out, and then the build to WM after HHH beats 5 other guys on his way to Cena.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
The point, though, is that it's been three years since Dominant Heel HHH had his hands on that belt, and in the meantime he's been engaged in some entertaining stuff. THe notion that they'd position him - a very over babyface and a very good wrestler - as one of the key players in a 'Mania title match, after he's rightfully spent the last few years at the big dance jobbing/not wrestling, is hardly criminal. I can understand finding it not to your tastes, but to take WWE to task for doing so is a little silly.

Also, the notion that Hunter is positioned as a bigger star even against Cena is a weird one. Cena's been undisputed top dog on Raw for at least 18 months. And I'd swear that the people calling for HHH not to cominate 100% of the time are often the same people calling for Cena not domination 100% of the time. Which is some strange math.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.77

I think something happens in the Chamber to set up HBK vs. Jeff Hardy ...

I could also see them putting the strap back on Punk soon, only to have him drop it to Shelton at WM24 ... but I really hope they go with Punk/Edge in Orlando.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The point, though, is that it's been three years since Dominant Heel HHH had his hands on that belt, and in the meantime he's been engaged in some entertaining stuff. THe notion that they'd position him - a very over babyface and a very good wrestler - as one of the key players in a 'Mania title match, after he's rightfully spent the last few years at the big dance jobbing/not wrestling, is hardly criminal. I can understand finding it not to your tastes, but to take WWE to task for doing so is a little silly.

    Also, the notion that Hunter is positioned as a bigger star even against Cena is a weird one. Cena's been undisputed top dog on Raw for at least 18 months. And I'd swear that the people calling for HHH not to cominate 100% of the time are often the same people calling for Cena not domination 100% of the time. Which is some strange math.

I would say though that Cena has often been the #2 attraction on the show. For months and months Cena was doing his thing while seemingly half the show was devoted to the misadventures of DX vs. Spirit Squad and Vince McMahon. Because no matter what happens the biggest star on Raw isn't Cena or HHH, it's Vince, and for the last year or more Vince and HHH have been joined at the angle hip. Yes, Cena has been allowed to be dominant, but he hasn't always been the guy in 8 segments a show.

Storyline wise Cena vs. HHH is a match that should happen eventually. The problem is this feels like it is being shoehorned in simply to give HHH his return win from WM 22. Months of pushing for Hardy and Orton pretty much come down in a 3 week span so that we can get to HHH v. Cena. And as much as we might say HHH is over, I would say at this point in time Jeff Hardy is more over than HHH.

I admit it, I find HHH to be shockingly boring. He puts me to sleep in most any segment he's in. Personally I hate seeing him win because it means more of him on my tv when I watch Raw, and less of other people I like. But my issues with the way this is being set up go beyond my personal taste. This is poorly booked and bad for the long-term.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The point, though, is that it's been three years since Dominant Heel HHH had his hands on that belt, and in the meantime he's been engaged in some entertaining stuff. THe notion that they'd position him - a very over babyface and a very good wrestler - as one of the key players in a 'Mania title match, after he's rightfully spent the last few years at the big dance jobbing/not wrestling, is hardly criminal. I can understand finding it not to your tastes, but to take WWE to task for doing so is a little silly.

    Also, the notion that Hunter is positioned as a bigger star even against Cena is a weird one. Cena's been undisputed top dog on Raw for at least 18 months. And I'd swear that the people calling for HHH not to cominate 100% of the time are often the same people calling for Cena not domination 100% of the time. Which is some strange math.


I really do not have a problem with HHH holding the belt every now and then. But notice that he seems to lay out of the title picture until the biggest payday of the year, and then suddenly he is right back in the hunt. Every year. If not for the injury, he would've been in the main event last year against Cena too. It's not the fans demanding that he be in the WM main event every year.

Yes, Cena has had a stranglehold on the belt, and always found a way to win the big match. But he is not booked week in and week out on Raw to look as strong and dominant as HHH, IMO. When did Cena squash the tag division? Or beat all 5 Spirit Squad guys with only one partner?

I don't know, call me biased, but it seems to me like the booking always favors HHH, not in terms of wins/losses, but in terms of how good/strong he looks. Cena is a star, but I don't think he gets the treatment HHH does. Which was always baffling to me why they left the belt on Cena for so long, when they didn't seem to whole heartedly get behind him. The same can be said for Edge, to a lesser extent.

Again, I don't hate HHH, and don't mind him in the title hunt on occasion. I do mind that his preferential treatment is causing long term damage to the company.




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I just.....I just wish Triple H hadn't been able to throw out Big Daddy V all by himself. That's all.
    Originally posted by spf
    Months of pushing for Hardy and Orton pretty much come down in a 3 week span so that we can get to HHH v. Cena.
*Months?* Armageddon was LAST MONTH. Don't you remember? Triple H was smirking and everything!



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by CRZ
    I just.....I just wish Triple H hadn't been able to throw out Big Daddy V all by himself. That's all.
      Originally posted by spf
      Months of pushing for Hardy and Orton pretty much come down in a 3 week span so that we can get to HHH v. Cena.
    *Months?* Armageddon was LAST MONTH. Don't you remember? Triple H was smirking and everything!

I meant that those two people had been pushed for months, rather than that their feud had been pushed for months. Orton has been on a huge push since Cena went down, and Hardy started getting the push around Survivor Series time.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
WM XVI - HHH wins Fatal Four-Way to retain title
WM XVII - HHH loses to Undertaker
WM XVIII - HHH wins title from Jericho
WM XIX - HHH beats Booker T to retain title
WM XX - HHH loses title to Benoit
WM XXI - HHH loses title to Batista
WM XXII - HHH loses title match against Cena
WM XXIII - Did not compete

So, out of the last 8 Wrestlemanias HHH has been involved in the title match 6 times. I still like HHH and everything, but I'm sick of seeing him main-event Wrestlemania.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Flair vs Kennedy was just added to NWO. I figured that would be a Mania match. I'm thinking Flair gets by Kennedy, Orton loses to Cena, and Orton retires Flair at Mania.
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Edge/UT is still the best main event in my opinion. The WWE will still push the undefeated at WM, but more importantly it's fresh. I don't think Edge and UT have feuded other than maybe in the Edge and Christian days. Plus I think it'd be a great match. If UT/Batista can have great title matches then UT/Edge should be great.

JBL/Jericho probably goes all the way to Wrestlemania.

I would like to see Flair wrestle Big Show.

Is Matt Hardy going to be back before Wrestlemania? Matt/MVP is the most logical way to go with them and is a match I'm still looking forward to.

I don't know how they would manage it but I imagine that leaves Batista with Rey, maybe a number one contender match.

Jeff Hardy does get the consolation of being in the MitB match but he does at least win it and get another main event match in the summer.



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