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And now the talking heads on ESPN say LeBron's probably next.

NBA Free Agents: Source: Chris Bosh to join Dwayne Wade with Miami Heat


    Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are teaming up together on the Miami Heat, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

    ESPN's Shelley Smith also reported the pending move through independent sources.

    Whether LeBron James, the kingpin of this summer's celebrated free agent class, will join them remains to be seen. James will announce his decision Thursday night at 9 ET during a one-hour special on ESPN.

    Wade and Bosh are expected to announce their decision on Wednesday, according to the source, and continue to lobby James, along with Heat president Pat Riley, to join them in Miami, despite the financial complexities involved for the Heat to make room for all three.


If I'm a Cleveland fan and LeBron walks away, I'd start feeling a lot of seething hatred towards Chris Bosh. You had LeBron ready to stay, the Cavs were ready to trade for Bosh in a sincere effort to make the team better, and Bosh would have had a max deal. But Bosh turned it down for no other reason than HE thinks that Cleveland sucks. If I'm a native Clevelander, I take that as a huge insult and I look at Bosh as the major catalyst towards LeBron's decision. Bosh taking less money in Miami just to avoid playing in Cleveland is a slap in the face to the Cleveland fanbase and if LeBron leaves, I'd name Bosh as Cleveland's new public enemy #1.

With that said, I wish Miami all the luck in the world if they decide to trot three max players on the court, along with a bench that couldn't outplay five of us.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
    Originally posted by It's False
    If I'm a Cleveland fan and LeBron walks away, I'd start feeling a lot of seething hatred towards Chris Bosh. You had LeBron ready to stay, the Cavs were ready to trade for Bosh in a sincere effort to make the team better, and Bosh would have had a max deal. But Bosh turned it down for no other reason than HE thinks that Cleveland sucks. If I'm a native Clevelander, I take that as a huge insult and I look at Bosh as the major catalyst towards LeBron's decision. Bosh taking less money in Miami just to avoid playing in Cleveland is a slap in the face to the Cleveland fanbase and if LeBron leaves, I'd name Bosh as Cleveland's new public enemy #1.


Boy did you hit the nail on the head. *If* the sign-and-trade rumors from yesterday were true then to hell with Bosh. As it stands now, I eagerly await the reception he'll get when the Heat come to Cleveland. If LeBron were to join them, I have no idea how they'll be able to play a Heat-Cavs game in Cleveland. It would blow Albert Belle's reception out of the water.

Regardless, Art Modell is still public enemy #1 'round here.




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Why would any 25 year old want to play in cold, snowy, dreary, boring Cleveland over sunny, warm, exciting, vibrant Miami?
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The sports media in this country, in particular ESPN, really should be embarrassed by their coverage of this free agency period. This is at least the second time "Lebron, Wade, and Bosh all to Miami!" has been the "breaking news" of the day. Yesterday, it was "Lebron is staying in Cleveland!" and the day before it was "Amare to New York has piqued Lebron's curiosity!"

The LAST time we were told this trio was going to play for the Heat (probably Thursday or so), all the same people speculating about it today (again, ESPN) told us Lebron didn't want to go to Miami because he would clearly be No. 2 to Wade. So what changed in like two or three days?

Considering none of this information is coming directly from the players or teams, why is it the primary topic of discussion 24/7?

And the hoopla over James opening a Twitter account yesterday was absurd too.

The obvious point here is, I've been watching too much ESPN.

Also, I can't blame Bosh for preferring Miami over Cleveland, but I also understand why Cleveland residents would be quite peeved. I don't think the fact that a filthy rich superstar athlete would prefer the beaches and glitz of Miami is any shock, but if players not wanting to come to Cleveland persuades James to go elsewhere, that hurts.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 7.7.10 1235)


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Good move for Miami and now Dwayne Wade has a big man to help him out and I will agree that you can't blame Bosh for denying Cleveland in favor of a city with so much more to offer.

I guess there will an hour special this Thursday on ESPN that will have LeBron's decision which I think is kinda absurd to have a 1 hour special just to say which team he is going to play for (and my guess is he is still with Cleveland).

Anyway, with Bosh now (or soon to be) in Miami and pairing with Dwayne "Flash" Wade, I wonder if some good role players out there would want to be with the Heat because I still doubt LeBron is going but I guess all answers to "The King" will be answered tomorrow.
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    Originally posted by It's False

    If I'm a Cleveland fan and LeBron walks away, I'd start feeling a lot of seething hatred towards Chris Bosh. You had LeBron ready to stay, the Cavs were ready to trade for Bosh in a sincere effort to make the team better, and Bosh would have had a max deal. But Bosh turned it down for no other reason than HE thinks that Cleveland sucks.


Bosh is a class act who stuck it out in Toronto and has already experienced being let down by a smallish market cold weather team who claimed to be "building a contender". I can find no media reports suggesting Bosh said out loud "Cleveland Sucks," nor has he ever said, "money is all that matters to me, so I'm going to take the first max deal I am offered."



    If I'm a native Clevelander, I take that as a huge insult and I look at Bosh as the major catalyst towards LeBron's decision.



Because Lebron James is not capable of thinking for himself? Lebron wouldn't have a decision to make if Cleveland had been successful in building a team around him. They had 5 years to do so. If he leaves it's on him and, moreso, on the Cleveland organization, not on Chris Bosh.



    Bosh taking less money in Miami just to avoid playing in Cleveland is a slap in the face to the Cleveland fanbase and if LeBron leaves, I'd name Bosh as Cleveland's new public enemy #1.



So instead of blaming the organization that failed spectacularly to build a team around one of best and most dominant players in the game or blaming Lebron himself for not being willing to stick it out for another 3-5 years to find out if they can turn it around, it makes more sense to blame a guy who not only never played for the team, but never got past considering taking a deal from the team? SPORTS FAN LOGIC FTW.
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Ok, first there is a difference between building a contender and being a contender. Cleveland is a contender and has been one for three years now. Toronto has never and will never be one. So, lets throw out your first argument right there. Bosh never said "Cleveland sucks", but he might as well said it with the whole "Not feeling Cleveland as a good choice." He's actions screams, "You have a shit town and I want to play some place warm with a bunch of babes half naked running around". No man with a pulse is going to blame him for that. If he wanted exotic and new, well there is Miami, its so exotic, they barely speak English there. If he really wanted to play with LeBron, he would have done the sign and trade since he is going to get max money anyway.

Bosh is a catalyst. If Bosh does go with Miami, its another good team that LeBron is going to have to face, pretty much by himself. He has to face the Celtics, who are already a super team, the Magic with Superman and now a Batman/Robin combo of Wade/Bosh. He can continue to fight alone and maybe squeak into the final game only to be run over by another super team like the Lakers or a revamped Spurs team. He can do things the hard way by staying in Cleveland maybe someday his prince or princes will come to give him some support or he can do things the easy way of going to Miami to make his own super team with coach Pat at the helm on the bench or in the office.

While I do agree that Cleveland has not done James much in the way of favors in building a playoff team, as a regular season team, they are awesome. The problem with the playoffs in the NBA and NHL is once you are in, it doesn't matter what your regular season was like. NFL, the 1 and 2 seeds get byes and its only recently have six or fifth seeds won a Super Bowl, let alone make it there. The Celtics, Lakers, Spurs and other teams are built to win a few games here and there not 50 plus. Cleveland has been built well, just not well enough to get over the hump of the last few years. LeBron needs another player or even two or come to the conclusion he needs to shoot the ball instead of trying to be the good teammate. He needs to be selfish just like Jordan, Magic, Bird and Kobe. Even with that mindset he needs help which in Cleveland without Bosh or someone else is going to be tough.

Now, I will say LeBron is going to go down as the biggest cocktease in the history of sport either way tonight. He either stays with his Jewish mother who has been laying down the guilt trip real thick or he goes with his friends to play fun in the sun in Miami or takes a chance with the New York girl who has a new friend or does the mercy date with the girl from Jersey in the acid wash jeans and a ton of future draft picks. Either way, he has strung these teams on long enough and a sports fan I just want it done before it interferes with Farve watch. The other favorite past time of ESPN since they are not longer care about reporting anymore and expect the news to come to them. Which in LeBron's case, it did with the help of an AD buy.
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    Originally posted by whatever
    Boy did you hit the nail on the head. *If* the sign-and-trade rumors from yesterday were true then to hell with Bosh. As it stands now, I eagerly await the reception he'll get when the Heat come to Cleveland. If LeBron were to join them, I have no idea how they'll be able to play a Heat-Cavs game in Cleveland. It would blow Albert Belle's reception out of the water.




So, people are still going to attend Cavs games if this all goes down?

I'm with the people who say that LeBron isn't leaving Clevland now that he has his one hour press conference. I think his camp is throwing out the rumors at this point to gain viewers and to build up some drama.


Edit: Oh yeah, Chris Bosh. I'd like to see him actually win some games now that we've gotten all the hype about him out of the way.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 7.7.10 1622)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Bosh is a catalyst. If Bosh does go with Miami, its another good team that LeBron is going to have to face, pretty much by himself. He has to face the Celtics, who are already a super team, the Magic with Superman and now a Batman/Robin combo of Wade/Bosh. He can continue to fight alone and maybe squeak into the final game only to be run over by another super team like the Lakers or a revamped Spurs team. He can do things the hard way by staying in Cleveland maybe someday his prince or princes will come to give him some support or he can do things the easy way of going to Miami to make his own super team with coach Pat at the helm on the bench or in the office.

    Now, I will say LeBron is going to go down as the biggest cocktease in the history of sport either way tonight. He either stays with his Jewish mother who has been laying down the guilt trip real thick or he goes with his friends to play fun in the sun in Miami or takes a chance with the New York girl who has a new friend or does the mercy date with the girl from Jersey in the acid wash jeans and a ton of future draft picks. Either way, he has strung these teams on long enough and a sports fan I just want it done before it interferes with Farve watch. The other favorite past time of ESPN since they are not longer care about reporting anymore and expect the news to come to them. Which in LeBron's case, it did with the help of an AD buy.


So then this suddenly seems to limit LeBron's choices. He pretty much can't go to New York now since even with the addition of Amare, they're even further behind the eight-ball than the Cavs are towards contending in the East. Same with New Jersey and apparently Chicago (who haven't signed anyone yet).
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Chicago is pretty much screwed for the next 3-5 years by the events of last week. They are Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, and a big ball of nothing. How John Paxson will be employed beyond Saturday is just mind-blowing to me.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.90
    Originally posted by spf
    Chicago is pretty much screwed for the next 3-5 years by the events of last week. They are Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, and a big ball of nothing. How John Paxson will be employed beyond Saturday is just mind-blowing to me.
Chicago is signing Carlos Boozer to a 5 year, $80M contract, so they've done something. Better men than me can tell you if that's a good deal or not, but presumably it's a good deal if it also comes with Lebron.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by tarnish
    SPORTS FAN LOGIC FTW.


I'm most certainly not a Cavs fan. But I'm more than sympathetic to their situation. Bosh may not have explicitly said that Cleveland sucks, but when he's willing to play with LeBron in Chicago and willing to play with him in Miami, but NOT willing to play with him in Cleveland, that pretty much says it all.


    So, people are still going to attend Cavs games if this all goes down?


The Cavs were in the top 3 in league attendance. If James leaves, you'll start seeing tumbleweeds.

I want to think LeBron will stay with Cleveland, but I really think his trying (and failing) to recruit Bosh for the Cavs might have been the last straw. If he comes back, he'll essentially have the same team as last year, minus Shaq. And sure, they can make the playoffs with that roster, but they'll be doomed to another early exit. James wants to win NOW and the only team ready to do that is Chicago. No, I don't buy Miami as contenders, since their current roster consists of four guys.




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This is the way I see it if LeBron stays or leaves;

If he stays; Cleveland will still have a heartbeat and still be a blip on the sports map. Cleveland will be a contender but will not win the championship until you have a secondary star to help pull the weight (which makes Miami already moving up in the East).

If he leaves; Cleveland will obviously be devastated and be a lottery team. LeBron will have a better chance to gain a ring as Chicago has made moves by signing Boozer, and Miami has signed Bosh to give a one-two punch for the Heat.

I don't see NY as a destination for LeBron as they "only" have Amare Stoudemire but barely have anything around him. Chicago has Rose, Boozer, Noah and the Bulls can still offer LeBron a max contract. Miami has Bosh and Wade now which is now capable of winning over 50 games in the not so competitive Eastern Conference.

If LeBron goes to Miami, will 3 big players be able to play together? I can see doubts but let's not forget that Garnett, Pierce and Allen put their prides aside and won a title together and LeBron, Bosh and Wade are all still young and in their career peaks. And not to mention that Wade and James each average around 7-8 assists. If LeBron comes, then I think the cunning Pat Riley will definitely need to coach if not already.

For Cleveland's sake, they need LeBron to stay or just become another laughing stock in the sports world.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.59
Noah isn't a slam dunk to stay in Chicago by any means. If you want to talk about overhyped, he's that guy and since he has become such a huge selling point you are now going to have to over pay for his services.
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If the balance of power is shifting towards the East, wouldn't it then make sense for LeBron to sign with the Clippers where he'd have to beat the Lakers and then only 1 of the East teams?
Bosh and Wade still don't even win their division.
In terms of money, remember, Florida has no state income tax, so he makes some of the money back there.
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I'm going to go on a bit of a rant here:

As a fan/observer of the Raptors team/mess/snuff film, I have to laugh at the reaction of some of the fans and especially the media towards Bosh. People are planing "RuPaul" chants and you have the main broadcast team subtly throwing Bosh under the bus for the fact they never did anything in the playoffs (like it's Bosh's fault he played with Anthony Parker, T.J. Ford, Jake Voshkul, The Corpse of Hedo Turkoglu and that no talent Jose Calderon). Bosh made the right decision and played about as well as someone could here for 7 yrs. The team tried, but anytime you hand $24 Million to Jason Kapono, you know that you're just headed for trouble.

Most laughable is this writer for the Toronto Star, who talks about what a great signing Turkoglu was/is because he was the leading scorer on a team that made it to the finals (you know, like Jalen Rose), about how no one should admire the OKC Thunder because "How are they going to pay all those guys in 2 to 3 yrs?" (yeah, that's a horrible position to be in) and how there is still talent here to make the playoffs (Turkgolu/Bargnani/Calderon - $145 Million total salary, 0 All-Star Appearances... actually Bosh has NEVER played with a guy that made an all star team in the same year he played with him). Some of the NBA writers in Canada are very good, but some are either on the Raps payroll or just think it's funny to fool the public.

Now the question is "Why won't any of our stars stay? Why does everyone hate Canada?" Why? Because our general manager trades away for Jermaine O'Neal 25 yrs past his prime. Because they trade away their first 'franchise player' for Joey Graham and nothing else. Because they give $50 Million extensions to Number One picks that are so mediocre, even Joe Smith has to shake his head. Because this town jeers and boos players that make mistakes and then when the players call them out, they take the whole "Hey, don't take it personally, why do you hate us?" position (Bryan McCabe, Tracy McGrady, Larry Murphy, Roberto Alomar). Bosh didn't leave because he hates Toronto. He actually loves it here. He left because this is a wasteland of a basketball team. They pay $14 million a year for 2 point guards that couldn't guard me. They resigned a power forward for $34 Million that fouls more than Greg Oden. They employ a coach who, after they lost their most important game last year against Chicago by about 362 points, came into the press conference after and said that he was pleased by their effort and how they came out. When Bosh missed a shot at the end of the game against Golden State off a wicked steal by Sonny Weems and collapsed on the floor, inconsolable, his running mate in the front court was over, congratulating the opposing coach for beating Lenny Wilkens on career wins. I can't tell you how much of a joke this franchise is/has become.

And all of this, and I mean all of this, is on this general manager, who somehow is seen as a genius. Bill Simmons wrote a great article a couple of years ago about Colangelo and the Suns, exposing what kind of 'genius' Colangelo is (the last paragraph is very funny in hindsight): http://sports.espn.go.com/​espn/​page2/​story?​page=simmons/​080501.

All the GM has seem to do in his career is overpaid for mediocre to no talent, draft horribly and got lucky with 2 moves (Nash and Stoudamire... and even then, it was more about Cuban not wanting to pay him and everyone scared off of what a headcase Amare was coming out of high school). Yet, there's no move to fire him (hell, they will probably extend him!) and Toronto will become Indiana North.

(Sorry for the long rant. Thank God for The Score up here, which shows a ton of Portland/OKC games....)

(edited by DirtyMikeSeaver on 7.7.10 2042)


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+1 to DirtyMikeSeaver's post. The Raptors were a franchise being held together by thread and gum, and (unsurprisingly) they failed to gel last season. The combo of Bosh and the #1 pick in the 2006 draft should've been a solid enough duo to make the Raps into contenders. Unfortunately for Toronto fans, that pick was Bargnani rather than Brandon Roy or Rajon Rondo
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So, if they get LeBron are they now the NBA's version of the nWo?
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    So, if they get LeBron are they now the NBA's version of the nWo?


People said that a couple of years ago about Boston, just because of the whole "Big 3" thing. But this scenario does have the Hollywood Hogan-level of betrayal behind it. This isn't just a fanbase killer, it's a FRANCHISE killer. So in that sense, they're totally the nWo.

But if the NBA and mainstream are insistent on superhero analogies, I'd be more inclined to label them the Legion of Doom. If Pat Riley shaved his head, he could be Lex Luthor.




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Why is Bosh a bad guy for saying no to Cleveland?

I personally think he's brilliant for saying yes to Miami. Why? Besides the weather, the lack of state income tax. Let's say he makes $20 million per year. In Ohio he'll have to pay just under $1.2 million in state taxes. Personally I feel that any professional sports team in Florida that can't make itself a paradise for free agents has to be criminally mis-managed. Multi-millionaires avoiding income tax is an obvious draw.

Having said that - I feel for Cleveland fans in this scenario, but no more so than I feel for fans of any other franchise that isn't going to get the players that they want.



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