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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
I still think its a sham. They will move Benoit back to SD to feud with Eddie and give the belt back to HHH to set up his feud with HBK. Everything else is window dressing as there is no way Vince/writers/bookers/etc. suddenly wised up and realized that the product just wasn't hitting its mark. Instead, someone said "HHH, there are some peeps on the Net saying as how you will never drop the belt now that you married the boss's daughter". HHH says "Oh yeah. Well I'll show them. I'll drop the belt at WMXX but you have to give it back to me by the end of March at the very latest." And, they said "OK".
With the recent writings tell me this isn't believable...
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Your points are well-taken, oldschool, but if done right, it could work.

I just threw a month out there.. 6 weeks, I think you're right, that would be too long. You could make it any amount of time you wanted, 3 weeks, even 2.

As to your point of not everyone needing a fresh start... and why wouldn't RVD or Booker jump ships? Well, that's my point. Only the talent who had a rational explanation for making a switch would actually switch. You can develop some personality with these guys more. Obviously we have a different view on it because we know RVD is pretty much buroed on RAW. The trick would be for the writers to develop a storyline giving RVD a reason to jump. For example, if they did it the way I suggested, they could have booked the Dudleys to go over in the Tag match immediately following. Without the belt, RVD's character now has no real reason to stay on RAW, allowing you to write him into the Smackdown mix.

You're suggesting 6 names be drawn at "random" to switch. That's really all I'm suggesting happen except instead of having some ridiculous staged lottery, allow the writers and talent to get creative in switching the roster. I don't suggest having EVERY non-titlehoder showing up everywhere so it's all one big clusterfuck..

I do think you're right, it shouldn't drag on and on. And maybe it should be so that once you jump ship, you're not allowed back, as you suggested. I'm just trying to think of ways they could have accomplished their goal of a shake-up without resorting to what I referred to as McMahon ex Machina tactics.

Or would it be "Deux ex McMahonia"? I'm not really sure.. :-)
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
    Originally posted by GeeW
    I still think its a sham. They will move Benoit back to SD to feud with Eddie and give the belt back to HHH to set up his feud with HBK. Everything else is window dressing as there is no way Vince/writers/bookers/etc. suddenly wised up and realized that the product just wasn't hitting its mark. Instead, someone said "HHH, there are some peeps on the Net saying as how you will never drop the belt now that you married the boss's daughter". HHH says "Oh yeah. Well I'll show them. I'll drop the belt at WMXX but you have to give it back to me by the end of March at the very latest." And, they said "OK".
    With the recent writings tell me this isn't believable...


That isn't believable. I also doubt HHH and anybody in the company had that awkward of a conversation.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by madiq
    I must stress that it's a LOTTERY, not a draft, the difference being that in a draft, picks are made, but in a lottery, it's all luck. I think every wrestler picks either a RAW or Smackdown marker, or something like that. Therefore, the random drawing could be really cool...


I must stress that this is Pro Wrestling, where men in underwear pretend to fight each other for our entertainment. If you think this is going down the center than I have a lovely bridge that I just posted on ebay for you to bid on. Buy it Now for only 1.2 million.




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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
    Originally posted by GeeW
    I still think its a sham. They will move Benoit back to SD to feud with Eddie and give the belt back to HHH to set up his feud with HBK. Everything else is window dressing as there is no way Vince/writers/bookers/etc. suddenly wised up and realized that the product just wasn't hitting its mark. Instead, someone said "HHH, there are some peeps on the Net saying as how you will never drop the belt now that you married the boss's daughter". HHH says "Oh yeah. Well I'll show them. I'll drop the belt at WMXX but you have to give it back to me by the end of March at the very latest." And, they said "OK".
    With the recent writings tell me this isn't believable...


They are not taking the titles off of either Guerrero or Benoit. Benoit jsut won the Rumble and Wrestlemania, both in extremely convincing fashion, and he is over like a mofo right now. Relax, they are NOT going back on that mega-push. Guerrero is also WAY too over and hot. Even WWE is not that insane.

I also think this will not be as collosal a shake-up as Vince & co. made it out to be. Overall, I like the idea.


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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
What a total sham making the entire brand split seem null. It's so WWE to have absolutely no imagination just to press the reset button. You book yourself in a corner LEARN TO BOOK YOURSELF OUT OF IT. Not just okay lets start over, what a joke.

I understand sometimes with unforeseen circumstances with injuries or other issues one brand can get thin and switches for some would be beneficial... If you want to send a few guys to another brand, why not just have a interpromotional match at a PPV and whatever brand wrestler wins his GM can pick out a wrestler from the losing brands pool. Depending on who WWE has in mind to switch side the losing brand can protect a certain number of wrestlers(5 protected if you have plans to send a real big time star to the other brand or 10 if you are just want to switch a mid-carder) and the winning brand GM can pick any wrestler (or 2) from the unprotected list.

Therefore allowing your General Managers to YOU KNOW actually do some managing of their roster... You build up some real drama backstage with some wrestlers being really worried not wanting to be picked up. Some wrestler who feel they are being misused on their show begging and hoping they do get picked up by the other brand and some wrestlers doing their best to get in the winning GM good books so they can be in the protective list.

You can also have some interesting interaction with the GM and his wrestler of choice on who he's putting into this match. Could be a babyface wrestler as the GM could bribe him with title shots if he can get the job done for his brand... Oh and almost forgot this would actually put the focus on WRESTLERS and WRESTLING MATCHES instead of gimmick ping pong balls.

If they actually did this for Wrestlemania with those three interpromotional matches (which SD technically won 2-1), you can have SD easily be allowed to choose some wrestlers from the Raw roster and hell it would actually make a match like the freakin Evening gown match seem important... You can freshen the brands up and not make it seem like split is a joke buy just starting a new. But it would force these idiots at The E to actually use some originality and their f*ckin brain and think outside the box. Which is too much to ask for these morons.





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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    But it would force these idiots at The E to actually use some originality and their f*ckin brain and think outside the box. Which is too much to ask for these morons.
Telling them to think outside the box is kinda rich, coming from someone who seems to find it hard to think outside of TRISH's box. And can't we wait until something happens before criticising it? REALLY? Would that be too much to ask?

(edited by JayGo on 17.3.04 0135)

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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.27
just enjoy it. can't anyone enjoy wrestling without goin all psycho about it anymore? geez.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.22
    Originally posted by JayGo
      Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      But it would force these idiots at The E to actually use some originality and their f*ckin brain and think outside the box. Which is too much to ask for these morons.
    Telling them to think outside the box is kinda rich, coming from someone who seems to find it hard to think outside of TRISH's box. And can't we wait until something happens before criticising it? REALLY? Would that be too much to ask?

    (edited by JayGo on 17.3.04 0135)


Net Hack Slasher expresses his opinion (as everyone else is doing) and you try to kick him in the balls by dissing his affinity for Trish? What the hell is wrong with you?
So the guy is a Stratus mark. Does it really piss you off that badly? At least he's a fan of someone who is gorgeous, over, and skilled. Or is this just what you do: come to a message board and instead of trying to form friendships and comment on the programming, you start bashing people for no fucking reason just to seem edgy and jaded? Are you in the third grade?
And dude, if you wait for the IWC to stop criticizing stuff before it happens, you might as well go back to the basement you came from or just shut up. REALLY? Would that be too much to ask?



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91
I'm all for a draft a la baseball, where the GMs trade wrestlers and form rosters that keep the same flavor while allowinf for fresh feuds.

I actually wrote a really long post about this months ago, so I won't bore y'all again, but (and this is for all the red Sox fans out there) wasn't it goddamn nail-biting when Theo was trying to sign A-Rod and no one knew whether Nomar and Manny were going to be around for 2004? Whether you were for A-Rod or against (I was massively against- no way you can fuck Nomar like that), it was intense.

That's the atmosphere Vince should be going for, not coming up with two totally new rosters that bear no resemblance to the old ones. I still want to see Jericho whup Christian's ass, Foley devastate that no-talent little shit Orton, and, more than anything else, Benoit and Guerrero retian their newly-won titles (titles that they so richly deserve to make a good run with). I hope I'm not let down on Monday.



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#51 Posted on
With the rumors recently of Vince seriously considering a WCW / ECW revolt, anyone seeing this be an entry way into that type of angle? Vince fires Bichoff and Heyman, only to lead to them taking off with wrestlers and reforming... something along those lines.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    Net Hack Slasher expresses his opinion (as everyone else is doing) and you try to kick him in the balls by dissing his affinity for Trish? What the hell is wrong with you?
    So the guy is a Stratus mark. Does it really piss you off that badly? At least he's a fan of someone who is gorgeous, over, and skilled. Or is this just what you do: come to a message board and instead of trying to form friendships and comment on the programming, you start bashing people for no fucking reason just to seem edgy and jaded? Are you in the third grade?
    And dude, if you wait for the IWC to stop criticizing stuff before it happens, you might as well go back to the basement you came from or just shut up. REALLY? Would that be too much to ask?
I apologise for mentioning it, really. Heck, I edited it once to make it a bit less offensive.. so yeah. Sorry, NHS. I'll try a slightly more reasoned argument approach now:

I object to the booking team being told to use their 'f*cking brain', and called 'morons'. They DIDN'T book themselves into this corner.. Lesnar wasn't supposed to leave, Big Show wasn't supposed to need time off, Angle wasn't supposed to reinjure himself. They weren't supposed to lose their three biggest heels on SmackDown for undetermined time periods at the same time. Who's Eddy supposed to be wrestling next? The next biggest heel would appear to be either Chavo Guerrero or one of the WGTT... whereas otherwise, it could have been any of three who are now absent.

They couldn't change the whole idea of the matches at Wrestlemania, because they found out about most of that stuff too late to do anything about it - so the 'interpromotional matches' idea wouldn't work.

Starting over? Too early to say. Given we have no idea who's going to end up on what brand, how many people would be moving or anything like that, you can't say yet that it's 'starting over'. They can't wait until the next PPV to sort something.. that's a Raw PPV. The next interpromotional one is in AUGUST, and the problem's a lot more urgent than that. Sure, you could change Backlash, but that still leads to four weeks of near-heelless Smackdown. And any suggestion which states that you make something look like less of a joke by partially staking the outcome on an evening gown match has a fatal flaw to begin with.

Sure, a lottery isn't perfect. But Smackdown has lost a lot here, and you can't do supposedly believable trades to reclaim that. Something drastic was needed in order to rebalance the sides, and I can think of a fair few worse ideas they could have used than this one.

As for where Trish comes into it, well.. fine, you're a Trish mark. So be it. But I'd suggest you don't let your objection to the booking of one angle get in the way of seeing they've done good of late elsewhere. Eddy and Benoit are champs.. Cena beat Big Show.. they built an incredibly strong WMXX card.. and hell, they got you interested in the whole Trish/Jericho thing in the first place. Booking one angle against your wishes does not make them complete morons.

Okay, hopefully that's a bit more reasoned and acceptable now.. I blame posting in a hurry during a break from project work. Now, bed.

(edit) Oh, and to Parts Unknown: I've not just 'come here', been here a fair while, just posting rarely. Heck, I've been on the same boards as Net Hack Slasher in one way or another for a long time, so there's no attempt at being cool coming here. Promise.

(edited by JayGo on 17.3.04 0839)

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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.42
Mostly, I am wondering how this will affect the women's division and the cruiserweights.

But, hopefully, this is about saying, "We messed up when we originally did the brand split, but we think we've learned how to do it right and we just need a minor reset to help us with some dead weight."

This was basically totally out of left field. No one was expecting anything remotely resembling this and it showed. Even a super surprise mystery partner or run-in is not a shocker like this because such things are part of the rubric of wrestling. And it showed, because the crowd had totally no reference for deciding whether they liked this idea.

So far, people have said that there is no way Jericho/Trish can work, there is no way that Benoit moving to RAW can work, there is no way that Mick Foley walking out on his match with Orton can work. I think the WWE has put together some decent stuff in the past few months that I am willing to give them the courtesy of waiting until next Monday before I decide this is a bad idea, because I can see ways for this to work for the better.

I am going to evaluate the results of the lottery on a few criteria:

1. Vince said that there was staleness. Will the lottery create new match-ups at the top of the cards.

2. Will this give young wrestlers the opportunity to elevate themselves (though, of course, they still need to not drop the ball if it is handed to them). Will we see the formation of new tag teams?

3. Vince said he was displeased with how the GMs were acting. Will this move have repercussions for the characters of Bischoff and Heyman, possibly causing them to be even more weaselly since they can't abuse their power so obviously, or will the general managers end up exactly the same as always.

4. Will every roster move have a purpose? I can see changing a few random jobbers to even out the numbers, but there should be a definite plan or reason for everyone you are moving. This may include moving greener wrestlers to Smackdown, where their mistakes can be edited out. Or it can include plans for that wrestler's first feud.

5. Will the lottery itself be used to start or forward angles. Will Jericho seek a change to Smackdown where he doesn't have to see Trish every week? Will anyone express hope that they get switched and earn resentment for that statement? Will anyone try to rig the lottery? If the lottery ends up where each GM can protect a few "keepers" or other plot device is used to make the whole thing look less willy-nilly, what is the fall-out?

I'll be staying tuned. I am very interested in how this turns out.


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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.97
Also have to remember that only half of a roster could theoretically move, and still have it truely mixed up. Otherwise its just SD on Mondays and RAW on Thursdays.

Perhaps leave all champs where they are, and draw "randomly" until 50% of either roster is gone to the other show.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
PostModern, your criteria sound about right. I agree that when it's all said and done, we can judge the lottery and it's effects, good or bad, based on those criteria.

But what I'm saying (and I believe NHS is, to a point) is that this is a lame, lazy way to acheive the objectives you (and all of us) are looking for..


1. Removing Staleness

2. Help new talent emerge and create new, interesting tag teams.

3. Bring about a change in the way General Managers go about their jobs...perhaps even changing the job description of GM itself.

4. Have roster moves that have a plan and purpose.

5. Start new angles, continue current angles that work.


All of these can be achieved without the lazy concept of a lottery. This is what NHS was referring to.. It's lazy.. Now certainly some of the problems the WWE did not necessarily "book itself into" but the mark of a good writing team is it's ability to book it's way out of problems, whether they are problems of previous poor booking, or unforseen circumstances like Lesnar leaving, Angle's injury, etc, etc..

To the casual fan, it might not be that big a deal. A shakeup's a shakeup. But judging from the crowd reaction they did not think it was a brilliant or particularly exciting way to achieve it. Fans want to be told a good story. We know it's bogus but if the story's good, we're happy. What I want to know is what made them think that having a drawing that everyone knows in their heart is rigged, would be looked at as a compelling story?

Sure it is interesting to see who will end up where. But it could have been MORE interesting to see who will end up where if they allowed for reasons other than "luck" to determine it?

I look at it kind of like the Wheel of Fortune RAW episodes they've tried. It's a blatant gimmick...totally contrived. At least RAW Roulette is good for some laughs here and there. But less contrived your Sports Entertainment product appears, the better.
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#57 Posted on
It will be interesting to see how Evolution will end up. Trips on his own again would bring back a little credibility to his character, and to Orton and Batista's charcters. They would look like they can make it on their own without running buddies and so does Triple H. Kurt Angle recently said on Byte This! that he would like to have a match with HBK, so if Kurt is retiring soon, then maybe they might give him his final (!) wish. I think it would be a good move for HBK over to Smackdown! if just for a little bit. (It'd be better than seing HBK vs. Evolution all the time)
Also, the IC Title should go over to Smackdown!. It's full of good midcard talent who need a credible belt (WGTT when they split up). I don't think the US title does any good to your character. The US belt could go to Raw because they're a little more into not defending the belt on a regualr basis. On Smackdown!, the IC belt could be defended a lot if they put Booker and RVD over there (and Y2J). This draft lottery could prove interesting if Benoit and Eddie stay put.
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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.42
    Originally posted by Matches
    But what I'm saying (and I believe NHS is, to a point) is that this is a lame, lazy way to acheive the objectives you (and all of us) are looking for...


I am not sure that this is an entirely lame and lazy way to get things done. There are some benefits to doing it this way.

1. It is quick and simple and allows the writers and bookers to spend more time setting up specific matches rather than setting up the set-up to specific matches. I think we all agree that there is some hint of staleness and a need to make some moves. If the writers tried for an intricate storyline, the payoff would most likely come with the next co-branded PPV and net fans would be pissing and moaning about how it was taking so long.

2. As part of the simplicity, there is no creative crisis of trying to push too many storylines at one time. It is better to work from a creative restart that is certainly within Vince McMahon's character as someone who would mercurially push the button reset than it is to set up a bunch of fancy trade scenarios, which will get lead to more character inconsistencies that bug anal retentive continuity geeks. Hopefully, this is a sign that the writers have a sense of their own limits and won't try anything too complicated.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by PostModernBoy
      Originally posted by Matches
      But what I'm saying (and I believe NHS is, to a point) is that this is a lame, lazy way to acheive the objectives you (and all of us) are looking for...


    I am not sure that this is an entirely lame and lazy way to get things done. There are some benefits to doing it this way.

    If the writers tried for an intricate storyline, the payoff would most likely come with the next co-branded PPV and net fans would be pissing and moaning about how it was taking so long.

    Hopefully, this is a sign that the writers have a sense of their own limits and won't try anything too complicated.





Well first, net fans will piss and moan about just about anything.. A lot of net fans (myself included) are pissing and moaning about the lottery so I guess a lot would probably piss and moan about it if they did it another way. But I guess I'm of the idealist camp in that we shouldn't expect so little from the writers.. To say that the writers are sensing their own limits is one thing...But my question is, why do they have to be so limited?

And yeah probably profressional wrestling is not the place I should be to go for complicated storylines... But I don't think I'm necessarily asking for complicated, just for interesting. I guess I'm saying they went the safe (and in my book, cheap) route by doing an abrupt reset. They have a whole year in to build to the next Wrestlemania, for example. And I'm doubting that by the time WM XXI comes around anyone will be saying "Man, it's a good thing they got the roster switches out of the way and done in one week because otherwise I don't think the build to Matches X, Y and Z would have been long enough."

I'm willing to wait and see what happens but as of right now I'm a little disappointed in how they're handling it.
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Bischoff is not that bad of a GM if you think about it. Sure he does some heelish things but usually he just does whats best for the show. Besides he has Austin around to set him straight if he gets carried away. Heyman on the other hand is a full blown heel. He fights the face wrestlers and is always screwing people over.

I think that Austin and Bischoff are staying as the GM/Sheriff of RAW. However I think that this Monday Vince is gonna fire Heyman. This would plant the seeds as Heyman would then curse him and tell him he will regret this move. (He would then go to re-form ECW, which I honestly think WWE is going to do.) Then I think Vince will re-hire his daughter as GM, since he is on a face run right now and wants to do right.

And for thoose of you who doubt an ECW return, just look at how Heyman is being booked. The whole SD lockerroom walks out on him and he's insanely power hunger. Its all leading up to his firing and revenge against WWE. All I know is I really want ECW back.



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