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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4262751

OK...someone please explain this to me. Stallworth gets sentenced to 30 days for KILLING A HUMAN BEING! The most he serves is 24 days and he has a 1 day credit for the night he spent in jail when he was arrested.

Michael Vick got 2 yrs. for dog fighting, and this guy gets 3 weeks!

What did I miss?



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What you missed with Donte give out phat loot to the victim's family. Can't pay off dogs.
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You missed that the victim darted out in the middle of the street to try and catch a bus. Donte stayed at the scene of the crime, didn't shy away from his responsibility for the accident, and has been very upstanding in his handling of the case. He has made peace both personally and financially with the victim's family as well. The only questionable part of the sad mess is that Stallworth turned in a 0.12, but that was because he had been drinking the prior night. If the state had any sort of hard case that he had been drinking that morning, this wouldn't have gone to a plea bargain.

Michael Vick was a very knowledgable financer (and fan) of the long-standing crime of dog fighting. Two way different things.

(edited by Super Shane Spear on 17.6.09 1000)


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I'm not a lawyer nor a law expert, but I'm sure the big thing in this case was that it was difference of manslaughter vs murder.

I know, driving around with a BAL that high is very reckless and inexcusable but it was an accidental vs premeditated death.



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You also missed the part where Donté Stallworth didn't deny that it happened and cooperated with the authorities and didn't try to say anything to get out of it like disputing the breathalyzer. If Mike Vick approached his dog-fighting accusations like Stallworth did this, and just came clean at the beginning instead of thinking he would get out of it because he was "Mike Vick", I honestly don't think he would have spent much time (if any) in jail.



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Can't explain it better than Super Shane or JayJayDean, but I will add that living with the guilt that Donté will be living with for the rest of his life is punishment enough.
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    Originally posted by Broncolanche
    Can't explain it better than Super Shane or JayJayDean, but I will add that living with the guilt that Donté will be living with for the rest of his life is punishment enough.


Yes but to use the cliche, at least he is alive to have the guilt.

I would imagine the Browns would cut him but maybe not.



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I'm outraged at the outrage that people don't (re-)read the facts before drawing comparisons between Stallworth and Vick.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.51
    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Can't explain it better than Super Shane or JayJayDean, but I will add that living with the guilt that Donté will be living with for the rest of his life is punishment enough.


    Yes but to use the cliche, at least he is alive to have the guilt.

    I would imagine the Browns would cut him but maybe not.
After drafting Robiskie and Massaquoi, I would be very surprised if he isn't cut.




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    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    You missed that the victim darted out in the middle of the street to try and catch a bus.
    Donte stayed at the scene of the crime, didn't shy away from his responsibility for the accident, and has been very upstanding in his handling of the case. He has made peace both personally and financially with the victim's family as well. The only questionable part of the sad mess is that Stallworth turned in a 0.12, but that was because he had been drinking the prior night. If the state had any sort of hard case that he had been drinking that morning, this wouldn't have gone to a plea bargain.

    Michael Vick was a very knowledgable financer (and fan) of the long-standing crime of dog fighting. Two way different things.

    (edited by Super Shane Spear on 17.6.09 1000)


But if was sober and his judgement wasn't compromised, would he have still hit him?

Good for him for being so upstanding, he still killed someone...it don't wash.



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After giving most of the day to let it sink in, I can see the fact for what it is. Donte was quite mature in handling this situation and should certainly be looked at in a different light and Vick. I am more interested to see what the commish is going to do about this.



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    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    The only questionable part of the sad mess is that Stallworth turned in a 0.12, but that was because he had been drinking the prior night.



1. You say this like it's nothing, or a simple oversight. Every man and his dog knows if you've been drinking the night before, alcohol can still be in your system the next day. Because of that, responsible people make alternative arrangements to get from A to B if they've been drinking the night before. Donte couldn't afford a cab? Being over the limit because of what he drank the night before makes him marginally less of an idiot, but not much,

2. According to reports, he was doing 50 in a 40 zone. Speeding AND over the limit. That scoots straight by "questionable" into "irresponsible moron" territory in my opinion.

That said, I'm not sure what would be gained by a longer sentence. The victim's family aren't clamouring for it, it doesn't seem like it would make Donte any more sorry for what he did and I doubt a longer sentence would make the pricks who drink and drive any less likely to do so.

I just don't like the way Donte appears to be getting lauded for his behaviour since the accident. He did something stupid, dangerous and irresponsible and somebody died because of it. Pulling over, taking responsibility and showing remorse are all well and good, but not much more than I would expect from any decent human being, and in some cases it's simply what he was legally obliged to do.

I agree his behaviour since his arrest has been much better than the Mike Vicks and Plaxico Burress's of this world, but gee whizz, is that really much of an achievement?
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Listen. If you've never driven the morning after heavy drinking, or if you've never been ten MPH over the posted speed limit, you are a better person than I am. My hat is off to you, and you can say whatever you want. Not justifying what he did, but if everybody who has ever done that were caught, about ten people would be walking the streets. Maybe I'm jaded.

(edited by Super Shane Spear on 18.6.09 0649)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    Listen. If you've never driven the morning after heavy drinking, or if you've never been ten MPH over the posted speed limit, you are a better person than I am.


Never done A, rarely done B, although in the interests of full disclosure I rarely drive and I certainly didn't mean to imply I'm a better man than Donte or anyone else (although in hindsight I can see how it came off that way).

My point was that if you know there's a chance you're a bit over the limit the morning after then you drive like a saint (out of paranoia if nothing else). To do A and B together is just monumentally dense in my opinion, if for no other reason than you're much more likely to get pulled over and breathalised if you're speeding.

Hey, I liked Donte as an Eagle, I don't hate him now and I don't think comparisons with Vick are apt.

The problem is his actions after the accident are being praised when frankly, he hasn't done much I wouldn't expect of anyone. Stopping after an accident, calling the police and trying to help the guy are what you're supposed to do. I guess the bar's been lowered so far in terms of accepting responsibility by some other athletes that it almost does seem praiseworthy, but it shouldn't be. It should be expected.



(edited by dMr on 18.6.09 1613)
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Here's the problem with freaking out about the jail time: There's a lot more to go with the sentence. Lifetime driving suspension (he MIGHT be able to drive for work-related purposes at some point in the future, but not for quite some time), ten years probation, house arrest after getting out of jail... he's not exactly getting off lightly.

    Originally posted by dMr
    The problem is his actions after the accident are being praised when frankly, he hasn't done much I wouldn't expect of anyone. Stopping after an accident, calling the police and trying to help the guy are what you're supposed to do. I guess the bar's been lowered so far in terms of accepting responsibility by some other athletes that it almost does seem praiseworthy, but it shouldn't be. It should be expected.


And that's exactly it. He owned up, cooperated, and has settled things. I'm not sure I'd call it praiseworthy, but I'm not going to get up in arms over him when there's athletes trying to evade or obstruct justice.



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And in a move everyone probably saw coming, he's been suspended indefinitely.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_browns_stallworth_suspended



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Tangentially, I hate when people play the "everyone has, to one level or another, driven drunk, so don't be so judgmental."

Due a number of events in my family history and/or friends growing up, I haven't done it. If I am going to drink (admittedly less often since college), I just don't drive. Period. Never have.

Next morning? Probably, but I doubt I've ever been so drunk that I would still have over the legal limit in my system.

As for speeding, no defense there, although since I do lots of driving in the early morning hours coming home from work, I tend not to speed then, given all the police I see sitting around at that time at night.



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    Originally posted by odessasteps

    As for speeding, no defense there, although since I do lots of driving in the early morning hours coming home from work, I tend not to speed then, given all the police I see sitting around at that time at night.


I agree with you that driving the morning after heavy drinking is kind of stupid. But if you're saying there is no defense for going 10 mph over the speed limit, that is ridiculous.

There is no way I will believe there is a single person who drives a car on even a remotely regular basis that has never been going 10 mph over the speed limit.

EDIT: Unless you say you ALWAYS drive super slow, regardless of the speed limit. But if you generally drive at or around the speed limit, reaching 10 mph over happens all the time, even if you notice it right away and slow down.

When and where, matters too. Going 10 mph on a highway or big city road is not the same as going 10 over in a school zone. On bigger roads - and the story doesn't say much about that, but I'd say if it's a 40-mph-hour road it's probably not in the middle of some suburb - going 5 to 10 mph is almost the norm, at least everywhere I've lived.

Also, the victim WAS jaywalking, or so the story leads me to believe. That's illegal too ... is there a defense for that? (Of course there is, or at least the act of doing it is understandable.)

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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And that's exactly it. He owned up, cooperated, and has settled things. I'm not sure I'd call it praiseworthy, but I'm not going to get up in arms over him when there's athletes trying to evade or obstruct justice.


Aren't we arguing much the same point, just from different angles? I say I don't hate him and see no point to a longer sentence, but I don't think his actions after the accident are praiseworthy. You say you're not sure it's praiseworthy, but you're not up in arms over it.

The only point I disagreed with the good Mr Spear on is that I don't believe speeding while drunk should be covered by a "we've all done it" defence. We haven't all done it, and we shouldn't neither. What other athletes do doesn't really come into it for me (although I know that's how the thread kinda started) because I think you can judge each case on its own merits. It's not like I've had to take time out of thinking Plaxico Burress is a douchebag to say "drunk speeding's bad".

I'm not up in arms though, I don't think it's unforgivable and I think he should be allowed to play again this season.
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I think, just as a credit to the judicial system, that every bit of punishment that Stallworth is getting is deserved and just. As fun as it is to speculate further into the details (details, may I add, we do not have posted in front of my eyes :D) of the case and how he should have a fuller plate in front of him, think on this: there's somebody out there speculating that Stallworth shouldn't have any form of punishment with the same amount of information we all have. Hooray!

Also, people have been killed due to carelessness in the past and there was little repercussion. The way I figure it, shouldn't we be harping about everyone's lack of punishment, not just Dante Stallworth just because he's hot button, catches footballs for a living, and now? Say, who do we punish for that Hindenburg incident? Somebody was responsible, but nobody got what was coming to them! Yes, it's relevant; we're talking accidents in which life was threatened. After that, how much jail time are we going to allot to the captain of the Titanic? Don't even get me started on Joseph Hazelwood! You want a travesty of an accident? Matthew Broderick was in an accident in which two women were killed and paid a total of 175 pounds; nobody is even raising a flag to that? Hrmm, methinks the gallows need be widened if we're putting Stallworth up there.



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