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Since: 21.11.02
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#1 Posted on
I am getting tired of people bashing The Rock. The Rock has done more for wrestling than any other wreslter ever, including Hogan. Let's take a look at what The Rock has done:

Mainstreamed the WWE by hosting Saturday Night Live, appearing on countless awards shows, headlining a Hollywood movie, tons of charity work in the name of the WWE, at every big WWE function, appeared at the Stock Exchange when they went public, spoke at a political convention, and through it all has maintained a clean and proper image for children and people of all ages to loo up to. Doesn't do drugs, hasn't been in rehab and doesn't beat or cheat on his wife. Pretty good profile so far huh?

Now, let's look at his wrestling. One of the hardest workers in and out of the ring, not a steroid user, one of, if not the best, on the mic, was able to drag a stellar match out of Hollywood Hulk Hogan when no one else has been able to fo over 10 years (some would say ever), and, most importantly, he has been the only true SuperStar to continuously put over younger talent. The Rock has put over Kane, Jericho, Benoit, Angle and Brock to name a few. Austin, HHH, Undertaker and even HBK have flat out refused to put over young talent. And when they do, they gain their wins right back (i.e. Austin takes Kane title the day after the PPV win for Kane and HHH "lets" Jeff Hardy win the IC belt only to tka eit back the next week). The Rock never demanded the belt (see Austin and HHH AGAIN) and never used his backstage pull to dictate a matches outcome. He put Jericho over so much that if he did not, Jericho would never have been champ. HHH has not let Jericho win one singles match against him yet. The Rock put over Brock when Austin refused to do so and walked out on the WWE.

I am not a huge Rock fan, but I respect him more than any other wrestler on the WWE roster today. If he leaves the WWE for good to make movies I will wish him well. He has been the best asset the WWE has had ever. I would have preferred to see him win Wrestler of the Decade, but who cares what I think? I hope he comes back as a heel because he is better that way. And when he does come back, some lucky youngster (Batista, Nathan Jones, Randy Orton etc) is going to be lucky to feud with him because Rock will put that wrestler over and make him look good doing it.

Come back Rock. We ALL need you.




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Since: 22.1.02
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
I'm of the same opinion, but there is tremendous backlash against him. I think a lot of people feel jilted by him, rightfully or not. Marks don't want to be treated like second bannanas and Rock's definitely giving that impression.



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Since: 2.11.02
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#3 Posted on
At the risk of losing any modicum of credibilty I ever had on these boards I'll admit that I'm pretty fond of him. His promos are often hilarious and he is exciting in the ring even if hes not the most technically gifted wrestler in the world.

The only problem I have with him is the fact that he made a big deal of being 100% commited to wrestling when he first started making movies, then as soon as more acting offers came in he couldnt go quick enough. Hes earned the right to be where he is and make his own choices but some of what hes said/done has struck me as a little 2 faced



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Since: 1.8.02
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#4 Posted on
My honest opinion on the matter is that there is likely a lot going on behind the scenes that is simply not apparant.
I DO give the Rock a lot of credit for being a great performer and a very unselfish one at that. Admittedly, I feel his "mike work" has suffered a great deal of late, likely due to lack of originality, but that is a separate issue.
I really do think that the guy does love wrestling, and is torn, because quite honestly, making movies is what would be best for his career. But he has two problems - name and contract.
The Rock's name is OWNED by Vince. sure he could come out and use Dwayne Johnson, but who would ever recognize him? Vince is sure as hell going to milk it for everything it is worth, and having "The Rock" appear in films and then come back and wrestle is good exposure for his buisness. But if Rock quit, and focused full time on movies, it would likely fail, because who the hell knows who Dwayne Johnson is anyway?
So he HAS to cater to Vince, and that will, of course, lead to resentment because in doing so, he is appearing to "sell out" or whatever.



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#5 Posted on
While I don't think he's done the most for wrestling, I do agree that Rock deserves a level of respect and not the constant flaming from the IWC. I think it's two-fold; 1) hardcore WWE fans who feel he sold out to make movies and 2) the smart mark mantality of booing whatever marks cheer for so they can look cool and different from the crowd.

Out of everyone in the WWE/F, you've never heard anyone talk shit about the Rock. He's never refused to job, never refused to work with someone he felt was inferior, and has never put himself above the needs of the company.

Wrestling fans will kick themselves in the ass once they've chased him off for good and are stuck with broken down, roided up cavemen.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#6 Posted on
During Raw X, my friends and I were talking about this topic. The fact that the Rock seems to come in and wrestle whenever there is not a movie for him to star in rubs people the wrong way. It really hurts the entire "suspension of disbelief". It is like, there is the WWE world going on and The Rock gets paraded in front of the fans doing a movie, like what is going on in the WWE doesn't matter.

I mean, when you go to a WWE show, you are in the mindset that all the angles are reality. But Rocky doesn't seem to care. Or he is totally removed from the WWE and the matters going on there are trivial. That mix of kayfabe and reality is not working at all. I think it is going to get worse for him when he gets back.



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Since: 23.1.02
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#7 Posted on
I love the Rock, I think he's great. But after last night I can definately say: If he comes back and doesn't (slowly) turn heel, he's just going to get booed out of the building. His segment at Raw X had to have been pre-taped, otherwise he would've realized how bad a reaction he was getting, and tried talking to the fans a bit more. Instead, he just kept spouting off his catch-phrases and expected the fans to go right along with him. There's just not enough good will there to carry on as the face he's been.

-Jag

Of course, doing it live might improve fan reaction, so to make his heel turn effective, they should see if they can continue to do the pre-taped segements. Fill them with the Rock's banter, but make them as pointless and unfunny as you can, so people will boo instead of cheer his catchphrases. Oh yeah, and to top it all off? Make it so that his enterance video only show's Scorpian King footage. No wrestling whatsoever. If he enters to that, everyone will boo.



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Since: 18.11.02
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#8 Posted on
I used to be a huge fan of the Rock, but in more recent times, that fandom has waned a bit. I used to hang on every word of all of his promos, but now I just feel like they're funny for the first couple of shows, but then after that they're just annoying. He drives jokes and catchphrases into the ground and then continues to beat on them once they're in there. Whenever he comes up with something new to say, I just say to myself "Great, something else for him to overuse." After a while, I just feel like he takes up too much time on the mic. Hell, there have been times when his pre-match promos would be longer than the matches themselves.

Also, his in-ring work, while not bad, leaves quite a bit to be desired if you ask me. Sometimes it seems like he sees a mid-carder do something cool, so he decides he's going to use that move himself, and he doesn't do it nearly as well as said mid-carder, so the whole process just looks dumb. And his submission moves, especially the Sharpshooter, look awful.

However, I absolutely agree that he is definitely one of the most unselfish main eventers ever. He goes ahead and puts over anyone and everyone. It's obvious that he has nothing against getting pinned in the bigger matches (except maybe by Chris Benoit SMARKSMARKSMARK!!!! But seriously, only one tap-out to the Crossface? And that was only because Brock was hanging around at ringside. Well, that's probably a decision that comes from higher up in the food chain than the Rock).



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Since: 13.3.02
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Dagent913
    ...except maybe by Chris Benoit SMARKSMARKSMARK!!!! But seriously, only one tap-out to the Crossface? And that was only because Brock was hanging around at ringside. Well, that's probably a decision that comes from higher up in the food chain than the Rock).


If I recall correctly Chris Benoit got a pin on him very early into hit WWF tenure (Big Show came down, clotheslined Rocky and rolled him into the ring. Benoit hit a german w/ bridge for the pin.) There was also Fully Loaded 2k, but damn Foley and his reversal of decisions!



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Since: 2.1.02
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#10 Posted on
Rock is as close to the perfect sports-entertainment/wrestling combo as you will ever get. He's not as technically sound as the other top contender (Angle), but his off-the-charts charisma more than make up for it. Rocky can do pretty much anything he wants to, and most importantly he totally lets the fans dictate it (apart from when the promos are taped ;)). Example: him adjusting his ring-work at SS last year to a more heelish mode once the crowd started booing him. he's got great skills, he's one of the most wildly charismatic performers ever, he's unselfish, and he's got amazing in-ring psychology and timing. People shouldn't be moaning that he vanishes for six months at a time; they should be simply grateful when he comes back.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#11 Posted on

    The Rock. The Rock has done more for wrestling than any other wreslter ever, including Hogan.

Whaaa? Hogan & Austin *carried* the WWF through their 2 biggest financial periods, each popularizing wrestling to the "casual" viewers. Hogan & Austin were the 2 biggest draws in the WWF ever. To say Rock has done more for wrestling, let alone the WWF/E, is ridiculous.

As for my opinion on the Rock, I can take him or leave him. His face character is beyond stale at this point, so a heel turn would definitely freshen up his persona (in general, and to me personally). He's OK in the ring, but some of his "signature" moves have gotten a bit sloppy (Samoan Drop, overhead belly-to-belly) as he's sped up in the ring. I *hate* when he pulls out the kip-up, though. When he did that in his match against Eddy, it totally spoiled what had been an awesome match (still a damn good match, just left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth when he no-sold the entire match).

His mic work - ugh. He's a great talker, it's just that his catchphrases need a majot overhaul. Come up w/ some new stuff, and don't run it into the ground. I don't like how he talks down to his opponents in his promos as a face, but as a heel it would work.

His unselfishness as a ME guy, however, is a big plus. Some otHHHer guy(s) who aren't as big of a draw should take a page out of his book.

I'm hoping that they turn him heel when he comes back. If he stays face, my apathy towards him may continue to slide.

The Rock has his faults, just like every other wrestler, and to say he's beyond reproach by the fans is ridiculous.



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Since: 16.12.02
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#12 Posted on
Rock is the perfect main eventer. Is not selfish, plays backstage politics and gives guys like Angle, Jericho and Brock the push they need to get to the top. i can't wait for his return.

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Since: 10.1.03
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#13 Posted on
Main reason why the rock got bashed was he was the pretty boy character, the jock, the football player who shoved you into lockers in your highschool years. I never hear a woman hate on him, only guys. Yeah, a lot of the semi smarks hate on him on message boards and chatrooms, but notice they had a Screennames of Bob316 or NWO_Rulz, so its more then just pissing off the casual fans.

More recently the heat has been getting is from Hollywood. The ultimate way to sell out! Same thing happened with Hogan in the early 90's when he would leave for 6 months to do a movie then come back, stay for six months then leave for another movie. I remember seeing Flair/Hogan at the Richfield Coliseum in November of 1991, on a Wednesday night, so besides me most of the crowd were adults; 75 percent of them were for Flair. Watch KotR 93, RR92 or Sur Ser 91 and you will hear the pops for Yoko, Flair and Taker when Hogan gets pinned or thrown over. Very similar to the crowd when Rock got pinned at the recent summer slam by Brock, or the WM17 match with Austin.

As a worker he I agree with most of what's been said. He is decent in ring, decent on the Mic, and oozes with Charisma.





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Since: 30.7.02
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#14 Posted on
Ok he came in as the blue chipper and got booed out of the building. He came back, became the peoples champ and eventually became the corporate champ. Now he's the peoples champ again. What they need to do with him now to return him to freshness is to turn him heel and make him the Hollywood Champ, or something like that. They need to make it look as though being in Hollywood has gotten to his head. Have him say he won't wrestle a certain match, he'll let his stunt double do it for him, and then when things look like his double will lose he'll do whatever a prick heel would do to get the win, keeping it up over a series of matches until finally the stunt double actually looks like he's going to win a big match, have the Rock pull him off to take the glory and the win and mug for the camera, only to have the stunt double (who has been some guy the wwe wants to push this whole time) get irritated and launch a whole feud that way.

But as for the topic I do agree the Rock is above reproach when it comes to where he is in the business. He has worked hard to get there, and he has given alot to the biz. Let him do what he wants. If he keeps making crap like the scorpion king he won't be out of the WWE for long anyway.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Error, that stunt double angle is hilarious. Maybe WWE can get Sonny Siaki to play the role.



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Since: 12.10.02
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#16 Posted on
"The Rock can't wrestle tonight because The Rock's elbow is a little sore from playing tennis with Tom Hanks."

"The Rock can't wrestle you tonight, The Rock has to get out of here because The Rock has an early tee time tommorow with Steven Spielberg."

"Shut up, jabroni, if you want to speak to The Rock, you need to make an appointment."

The Hollywood ego trip heel version of The Rock just writes itself.
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#17 Posted on
I think has done a lot to make wrestling better after Austin during the 90s. Austin rarely laid down for the mid-card guys like HHH, Rock or others. Rock was able to carry the ball with help from Mick when Austin went down. During his time as top dog we have seent Benoit, Jericho, Angel, HHH and others get meaningful victories over Rock for titles. HHH, Austin, Hogan and Taker have never done that. Rock has help established mid-carders to major stars and if he does go heel expect more of the same.

A Fan- Rock knows his role does the rest of the WWE?
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Since: 23.1.02
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#18 Posted on
But which show should he be on? And which faces need his rub?

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#19 Posted on
Rock should go to Raw as a heel. Raw has a good ton of faces who need major wins, HHH has not done his job as the top star of the show, so let Rock show him how playing a heel is done. I would throw Austin in there, but Smackdown needs someone to shake up the Smacdown 6 since Lesnar is not jumping into that pool yet. I'd have Austin face Lesnar at No Way Out that way Brock can get a major win going to Wrestlemania and still be consider the Destroyer of Legends. Austin/Benoit at Wrestlemania makes sense and Rock/a living body would be great too.

However, Raw needs the rating points badly, so both being on Raw to begin with would be ok ie Bischoff brings Austin in to revitilize Raw and spite Vince and Shane. Rock shows up on Raw to cost one of the major faces a win after Steph/Shane agree to trade Austin for Rock or something along those lines. I just hope they leave Goldberg out of the picture and not make Rock heel until he destroys HHH or Austin. I think Rock/HHH should be the match at Wrestlemania while Booker T/Y2J would be killer. I can't see the fans booing Rock at that one if they do, then they are morons who should get whatever crappy show they deserve. Turn Rock heel after Mania, do some hints about the turn, but do it after he leaves his program with HHH that way you have HHH, Rock and Y2J as your main heels with Austin being tweener, Booker your champ plus the Army of Freaks.

Smackdown has to eventually get Austin or Rock to keep up and with either one you get a hot program with any star. Rock/Brock II would be great as would Austin/Brock for Backlash. Heel Rock could also face Edge, Rey or Benoit while face Austin gets Angle, Eddy and tweener Benoit. In the end, Smackdown is still gold.

A Fan-Its weird how Smackdown used to be Rock's show and Raw used to be Austin's show, but they are better suited for the other. Weird.

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Since: 2.1.02
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    But which show should he be on? And which faces need his rub?

    -Jag



I agree with A Fan - Rock should be on RAW, because practically all the faces on RAW could use a rub after the past few months of HHH's sandpaper rub. As I mentioned in another thread - should HHH dispatch Steiner at Royal Rumble (which is looking very probable now), what face is left on the RAW roster who would pose a credible threat to HHH? He's beaten and/or humiliated them all.

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