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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.53
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      I assume it's one of their false choices, as there is a percentage of adults (the majority, even?) who would find the thought of consuming human milk disgusting.


    That's because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy. There was a point in time when the majority of adults would have been certain smoking cigarettes was not a major health risk, and every single one of them was wrong. Healthy and unhealthy standards are not determined by democratic measures.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 21.1.09 1819)
You seem to have an axe to grind here.

Remember when I didn't like it when people talked badly about the cable industry? Well, I kinda feel like that with the dairy industry.

Smoking and drinking milk are not equivalent. Please don't start with extreme comparisons.

If you don't like milk, that's fine and it's your business. You are entitled to your opinion. It's when you start making statements as if they are facts that bother me. Please feel free to opine, but don't disguise your opinions as stone cold facts.

Milk isn't bad for you, and the diary industry isn't lying to you.




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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
Foods, all foods, are not bad when taken in moderation. So it's really a personal preference thing. Milk consumption for bones when young can be critical to women, just ask my wife who is taking unfun pills to try and build bone mass at 51 cause she never drank much milk or consumed dairy products much.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.64
Having kids can cause a loss of bone density too. If you don't ingest enough calcium on a constant basis while pregnant to make the baby's bones, the fetus will literally take it from the mother's bones.

I'm not sure if telling her this would do any good though. I know at around that age, my mother did NOT need anything else to blame me for.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Smoking and drinking milk are not equivalent.


Of course smoking and drinking milk are not the same thing. But lying about the effects of drinking milk to make money and lying about the effects of smoking tobacco to make money are pretty similar.


    If you don't like milk, that's fine and it's your business. You are entitled to your opinion. It's when you start making statements as if they are facts that bother me. Please feel free to opine, but don't disguise your opinions as stone cold facts.


I was only responding to the ridiculous "point" that doing away with animal milk consumption is bad because a lot of people think animal milk consumption is good.

The only "fact" I stated is that the majority of people thinking something is healthy does not make it healthy. Do you disagree with this?


    Milk isn't bad for you, and the diary industry isn't lying to you.


Please, then, Guru, point me to a study that backs up this claim that the milk industry wasn't behind. I can't find one. Every study I find that does point out benefits also lists more negative effects than positive. Weren't you the one who just preached about stating opinions as facts?

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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
I hate drinking milk, and yet I do use it on my cereal. I can't explain it either.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      I assume it's one of their false choices, as there is a percentage of adults (the majority, even?) who would find the thought of consuming human milk disgusting.
    That's because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy.
Forgive me, but I don't see the connection between the statement made by Mr. Boffo and the response. Consider the following:

1) Humans began drinking animal milk in preference to human milk several thousand years before there was a milk industry. Obviously, an industry that did not yet exist could not have been influencing their decision.

2) As has already been mentioned in this thread, sheep were milked by humans before cows. It seems unlikely that humans were motivated to do so by an industry that not only did not exist at the time, but also by an industry that would be telling them "cow milk is incredibly healthy".

3) It has also been previously mentioned in this thread that more of the world's people consume goat milk than consume cows milk. It seems illogical to presume that the reason they consume goat milk is "because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy."

So, since humans consume more milk from animals that are not cows than milk from cows, and have done so for thousands of years prior to the existence of a milk industry, I must confess that I don't see any validity in the response to Mr. Boffo's point.
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    The only "fact" I stated is that the majority of people thinking something is healthy does not make it healthy.
Well, no. You stated as "fact" that the only reason people drink animal milk in preference to human milk is "because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy", a "fact" that has been shown to be invalid.
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I was only responding to the ridiculous "point" that doing away with animal milk consumption is bad because a lot of people think animal milk consumption is good.
When I first read this statement, I thought I had missed something in Mr. Boffo's original post. So I re-read it in its entirety. I still don't see it. Nowhere does Mr. Boffo make the point, ridiculous or otherwise, that "doing away with animal milk consumption is bad." I do see where Mr. Boffo wrote that Ben & Jerry's decided that it would be bad for business to eliminate animal milk from their products in preference to human milk, but this is hardly the point that you are addressing. Since it was Mr. Boffo that you quoted in your original post, I must presume that this is where you found this point, the point to which you say were responding, a point that was never made.

So, considering the fact that you were responding to a point that was not made, with a statement that is not valid, adds a good deal of credence to Guru Zim's claim that you seem to have an axe to grind. Which, just for the record, is fine by me (for whatever that's worth). I personally have no problem with axe grinding. But it's best not to grind an axe with invalid statements of "fact" along with the misrepresentation of others points. Such grinding only dulls the blade.




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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
        I assume it's one of their false choices, as there is a percentage of adults (the majority, even?) who would find the thought of consuming human milk disgusting.
      That's because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy.
    Forgive me, but I don't see the connection between the statement made by Mr. Boffo and the response. Consider the following:

    1) Humans began drinking animal milk in preference to human milk several thousand years before there was a milk industry. Obviously, an industry that did not yet exist could not have been influencing their decision.


Ah yes, and clearly humans questioned the nutritional value of drinking milk thousands of years ago, before the concept of nutrition existed and the only way they had to differentiate between "good" and "bad" is whether or not something immediately made you sick or otherwise worse for having it. Longer lifespans now make long-term effects of things like drinking animal fat also more noticeable than they would have been thousands of years ago.


    2) As has already been mentioned in this thread, sheep were milked by humans before cows. It seems unlikely that humans were motivated to do so by an industry that not only did not exist at the time, but also by an industry that would be telling them "cow milk is incredibly healthy".


Put whatever animal you want there, it doesn't change my point. I only said cow milk because I was specifically thinking of the "Milk: It Does a Body Good" commercials from the US in the 1980s, and those were certainly not talking about goat milk.


    3) It has also been previously mentioned in this thread that more of the world's people consume goat milk than consume cows milk. It seems illogical to presume that the reason they consume goat milk is "because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy."


Again, you're addressing a tangent rather than the real point.


    So, since humans consume more milk from animals that are not cows than milk from cows, and have done so for thousands of years prior to the existence of a milk industry, I must confess that I don't see any validity in the response to Mr. Boffo's point.


So you're saying the argument "Most people think it's healthy, therefore we should keep consuming it" is a good argument?


      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      The only "fact" I stated is that the majority of people thinking something is healthy does not make it healthy.
    Well, no. You stated as "fact" that the only reason people drink animal milk in preference to human milk is "because the milk industry for years and years has told people cow milk is incredibly healthy", a "fact" that has been shown to be invalid.


By ... whom? Or what?

The two people who have responded to my posts have failed to provide the only thing they can to support their argument, the same thing I've already asked for twice: An independent study claiming the positive effects of milk outweigh the bad. I can't find such a study, but you clearly must have some kind of evidence to argue so strongly. I can provide links to all kinds of studies arguing my point that milk is unhealthy but I've assumed until now that we are all familiar with those.

I said the only reason people continue to think milk is healthy is because of industry propaganda. As the milk industry is the only body I can find that argues milk is so great for the human body, this conclusion is the only one that makes sense to me. Just like the only reason people continue to smoke cigarettes is because of the marketing of the cigarette manufacturers. I can only speculate that it is the "family" image (an image that, again, is the result of industry marketing) of milk products that prevents people from calling their lies the way so many do to the tobacco companies.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.42
    Originally posted by Lise
    Having kids can cause a loss of bone density too. If you don't ingest enough calcium on a constant basis while pregnant to make the baby's bones, the fetus will literally take it from the mother's bones.

    I'm not sure if telling her this would do any good though. I know at around that age, my mother did NOT need anything else to blame me for.


She just never liked milk and still doesn't. And that was in the days when yogurt wasn't a big deal. The supermarket aisle for dairy was pretty small. And we all wanted that new oleo margarine stuff.

And people around the world, and here, consume more than just cow's milk. Think goats and in smaller groups horse and yak milk.

And I forgot one thing. Not ALL dairy research is by the dairy industry but 99% is. That doesn't invalidate it anymore than all the drug research being done by drug companies. As with any research, use you critical thinking skills.

(edited by DrDirt on 22.1.09 0616)


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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I said the only reason people continue to think milk is healthy is because of industry propaganda. As the milk industry is the only body I can find that argues milk is so great for the human body, this conclusion is the only one that makes sense to me. Just like the only reason people continue to smoke cigarettes is because of the marketing of the cigarette manufacturers.


Hey now. I smoke ocassionally because cigarettes and booze is a marriage made in heaven!

Similarly my drinking of coo-juice has nothing to do with any marketing on the part of the dairy industry (can't even remember the last time I saw a milk ad). It's because goats' milk and soy milk are putrid and cornflakes just don't taste the same with, say, Pepsi.

On a more serious note, as the good Doctor says, that the dairy industry funds research doesn't invalidate it. If you read the research and find reason to believe the methodologies or findings to be flawed, question it on that basis, not simply because of the source. If an umbrella seller tells me it's raining out, it doesn't mean he's lying because he wants to make a sale.

Overall, it has its benefits, and there is evidence to suggest it may also have detrimental effects. I certainly wouldn't dismiss this evidence out of hand, but I also don't believe the dairy industry isn't corrupting us en masse and manipulating us into consuming their product. Not meaning to pile on. Just my opinion.

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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.64
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    She just never liked milk and still doesn't. And that was in the days when yogurt wasn't a big deal. The supermarket aisle for dairy was pretty small. And we all wanted that new oleo margarine stuff.



Man, I remember the margarine craze (my parent's house still has zillions of those little tubs kicking around). Strangely our family always had both margarine and butter. I believe it was around practically my whole life, and I have never developed a liking for it. I have always choosen to coax rock hard butter pats into melting into my toast over using margarine. Now it's all about the mixed "buttery" spreads. What ever happned to the Country Crock couple's new kid? They had that on going story line, then they had a kid and dropped off the face of the earth. A little like real life I guess.
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I have a feeling there is no amount of evidence I could provide that would convince you that milk is beneficial to humans.

You've already stated that research can't be used if it comes from a study funded by the dairy industry. The problem is, there isn't an anti-dairy industry out there besides groups like PETA, and I'm pretty sure that their bias precludes publication of anything that could show dairy in a positive light. I'm not going to do the legwork to find out what they say, though. That's not my end of the argument.

Are there things about milk that could be harmful? I bet there are, if taken in the wrong combination. The same could be said for anything, though.

If given a choice between a 12 oz glass of water, 12 oz glass of milk, 12 oz glass of Whiskey, 12 oz glass of Cola, 12 oz glass of Orange juice - how would you personally rate those in terms of good to bad? What criteria do you use to make that judgement?

I could argue all day long about how the acid in Orange Juice can rot your teeth, cause stomache problems, and the vitamins in it will jump start cancer in people who are undergoing chemotherapy. While these are all based somewhat in fact, you would cleary identify me as someone with an agenda if I dismissed all of the positives because I said "Find me a study not paid for by the Orange Juice commission".

Like I stated earlier, your opinion is valid for you. I know that some people find milk disturbing, and don't like that I eat steak, and wish I wouldn't eat eggs, or wear wool, or have leather shoes, or have pets. That's fine, and it's their opinion. I think they miss out when they judge me and choose not to be my friend because of their view of the world, but that's their loss.

It's when you go from stating your opinion to attacking the industry that pays my mortgage that I start to have an issue.




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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    If given a choice between a 12 oz glass of water, 12 oz glass of milk, 12 oz glass of Whiskey, 12 oz glass of Cola, 12 oz glass of Orange juice - how would you personally rate those in terms of good to bad? What criteria do you use to make that judgement?


12 oz. of Whiskey makes me invincible, so...

And I am totally against Orange Juice for its involvement in bankrupting the Duke brothers.

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Like I stated earlier, your opinion is valid for you. I know that some people find milk disturbing, and don't like that I eat steak, and wish I wouldn't eat eggs, or wear wool, or have leather shoes, or have pets. That's fine, and it's their opinion. I think they miss out when they judge me and choose not to be my friend because of their view of the world, but that's their loss.


As a recovering vegetarian who's girlfriend is a very staunch vegan, I can tell you, from a vast and detailed experience of daily dealings with some of the folks to whom Guru is referring, that a lot of those people (not all, but a lot) are some of the most closed-minded, self-righteous, and judgmental people on the planet and have no interest in any evidence that might be contrary to their own opinions.

Their attitudes don't just stop at veganism. I stopped participating in a lot of the non-profit and volunteer work in which I was participating because I got so tired of the ill-informed attitudes from people who were supposed to be our allies.

That's about all I can say without dove-tailing to some kind of maniacal rant. And, for the record, my girlfriend is, in no way, a stereotypical vegan - which is why I BBQ tri-tip and chicken about once a month (no, she does not partake).

(edited by Leroy on 22.1.09 1238)
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
It's a very, VERY, pessimistic view that the only reason people do anything is due to advertising (you say propaganda, tomatoes/tomatoes {pronounce the second tomatoes different}). The only reason I drink milk is because of propaganda; it has nothing to do with the fact I like the taste? Get out of town.

Your presumptions paint a conspiratory picture of the human race to nothing more than sheep bowing at the whim of flashing pictures of pretty people. I mean, if MILK is so rife with this, where does it end? It's not only rediculous for a human in this terrible, terrible system to objectively commentate, it's impossible; what propaganda swayed you into your opinion?

Oh, and it's Water, Milk, OJ, Whiskey, then Cola for me. Not based on taste, but I think Cola is bad for me, what with the caffeine and the sugar.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      Like I stated earlier, your opinion is valid for you. I know that some people find milk disturbing, and don't like that I eat steak, and wish I wouldn't eat eggs, or wear wool, or have leather shoes, or have pets. That's fine, and it's their opinion. I think they miss out when they judge me and choose not to be my friend because of their view of the world, but that's their loss.


    As a recovering vegetarian who's girlfriend is a very staunch vegan, I can tell you, from a vast and detailed experience of daily dealings with some of the folks to whom Guru is referring, that a lot of those people (not all, but a lot) are some of the most closed-minded, self-righteous, and judgmental people on the planet and have no interest in any evidence that might be contrary to their own opinions.

    Their attitudes don't just stop at veganism. I stopped participating in a lot of the non-profit and volunteer work in which I was participating because I got so tired of the ill-informed attitudes from people who were supposed to be our allies.

    That's about all I can say without dove-tailing to some kind of maniacal rant. And, for the record, my girlfriend is, in no way, a stereotypical vegan - which is why I BBQ tri-tip and chicken about once a month (no, she does not partake).

    (edited by Leroy on 22.1.09 1238)


Just to be clear, I'm not a vegan and veganism has nothing to do with my argument here. I used to be a vegan for a relatively short time but had to give it up for various reasons, the main one being I felt less strongly about some of the issues than I thought I did. Also, I missed pizza (with CHEESE made from MILK).

    Originally posted by Lexus
    It's a very, VERY, pessimistic view that the only reason people do anything is due to advertising (you say propaganda, tomatoes/tomatoes {pronounce the second tomatoes different}). The only reason I drink milk is because of propaganda; it has nothing to do with the fact I like the taste? Get out of town.


That's not what I said, thanks. I said the only reason people continue to think it's healthy is because of the propaganda. It's possible to like the taste and also know it isn't the best thing to be drinking.

Likewise, being "healthier" than a bottle of whiskey or soda doesn't make something healthy. Guru, you can argue against the nutritional value of OJ. Be my guest. I've never heard those arguments, but I also wouldn't assume OJ was healthy just because it comes from a fruit.

Also, I've never argued that people shouldn't drink milk. While the "everything in moderation!" line is cliche, untrue and misused, I'm not saying a glass of milk a day is going to kill you. All I said is people's perception of the healthfulness of drinking milk is skewed.
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Well I do apologize, it just seemed like the point you were trying to make was that milk's popularity relied solely on the dairy industry's ad campaign.

And OJ has lots of carbohydrates/sugar, which is terrible for diabetics, and the amount of acid is also a no-no for people who suffer from acid reflux. On that note, I don't believe milk is suited for lactose intolerant people, or anybody with digestive problems either. However, for those without any of those types of conditions, I think they're just as healthy as the other, capable of supplying the body with essential nutrients, and in some cases, necessary in doing so.



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I work at Tim Hortons, and if someone requests milk in their coffee, they're getting 2% milk. Just thought I'd throw it out there. Not sure what the creme is, but I heard it's 10% or more. I'll have to check.



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I have been drinking milk since Day 1, and I love it.

Grew up on 2%, then moved to 1% in university (for some reason, it was cheaper), then finally to skim. I go through a four litre jug every 7-10 days, depending on my cereal consumption.

My milk story is from my last trip to South Africa, where I could not find milk with a fat less than 2%, so I went with that. After years of skim, it was really hard drinking 2% because it tasted so thick to me, whereas my family there were amazed that I could drink something less than whatever cream is. "Doesn't that just taste like water?"

Of course, they're all morbidly obese, so my rule was "whatever they do nutrition-wise, do the opposite".
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I go through roughly a half-gallon of skim per week. Most of that is consumed as a post-exercise drink when I'm home. I sometimes have cereal, and use milk in cooking, but that's minimal.

When I exercise at school/work I have unsweetened soy milk instead, because I can keep several sealed, unrefrigerated cartons of it on deck in my desk drawer and thus don't have to worry about always going out to buy more. I used to only drink soy milk, but finally got tired of buying those tiny cartons when I wanted to cook something at home that needed real milk.

The "is cow's milk bad for you" argument is an intriguing one. My wife is very much into nutrition science, though, as a disclaimer, she has no formal, accredited training in the field. She's read a lot of literature from nutrition science publications and has found no concrete answer on either side. As with all things, read the serving size on the side of carton and don't overdo it. Milk has a lot of protein in it, so most people don't need to be drinking more than a cup or two of it per day (unless for some reason it's your only source of protein, in which case you've got bigger problems).

One thing that is near-unanimous is that if you're going to only buy a few certified organic products, dairy should be a priority. Animal-based products are second generation, meaning the animals eat organic feed in order for themselves to be certified as organic, thus preventing the buildup of any harmful substances. This is similar reasoning as why eating large, carnivorous fish is probably not a good idea, since heavy metals and organic (the chem term, not the farming one) pollutants build up in higher concentrations as one goes up the food chain.

Also, if you're a tea drinker, and would like to enjoy the benefits of the anti-oxidants in tea, then use plant-based milks if you use any at all! Caseins, which are the dominant type of protein in animal milks, have been shown to bind to, and block the absorption of, the anti-oxidants present in tea. As with pretty much all of this stuff, this hasn't by any means been shown conclusively yet, but there's been no evidence of reasons to not use plant milks.

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BTW, to the skim milk haters:

Everyone gets used to their milk fast. Your first few litres of a kind are weird. (Eww, it's watery. Eww, it tastes like cream.) After that, milk tastes like milk.



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