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Since: 8.10.03
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Ridge and Company are issuing their now annual orange alert for the holidays. I understand they have observed increased message traffic, etc. and it is likely a good idea to remind people to be aware. The point that makes me laugh is that first you are reminded that a terrorist attack may be imement and all but don't let it alter your plans. What? People flying or visiting the big city, they may try to hijack your plane or blow up a building near you but it's all under control. The punctuation mark was his statement that we don't need to worry, they'll worry for us. Huh? I really do understand the intent but how do Ridge and the boys expect people not to worry.



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It's gone to Orange alert? Aw, man. We'll have to CHANGE THE BULB!



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Has anybody really noticed what the Secretary of Deer-in-Headlights said? Here at work security is the same...no big deal.



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I think what happens when we move from Yellow to Orange (or if we ever do, yellow to green) is what happens with many agnecies and groups within and outside of the Department of Homeland security. While I am not a big supporter of any government thingie that already exists but needs to be added, I think Ridge does OK. Here's what happens:

1. Coordinating necessary security efforts with Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies or any National Guard or other appropriate armed forces organizations;
2. Taking additional precautions at public events and possibly considering alternative venues or even cancellation;
3. Preparing to execute contingency procedures, such as moving to an alternate site or dispersing their workforce; and
4. Restricting threatened facility access to essential personnel only.

I think that's appropriate response if the intelligence shows a threat. Remember it was Xmas time when shoe-bomber boy did his thing a couple years back.

Back in ancient history (That's the 70s to most of you), when the Rooskies got frisky, we used to go "on alert" in the military. It didn't mean we weren't doing our jobs the rest of the time, just that we were more vigilent when on alert. For example, on thing I used to do was run the guard on the tactical operations center for the 2nd Infantry division in Korea. Normally, when we're not on alert, most officers who are on the list to get in are passed on visual recognition. On the list, the MP knows you, Salute, you're in. Not during alerts. ID card match, on the list. Tactical alert (Probably about Orange, I'd say), ID Card, approval from a person inside, even if you're on the list.

Ridge seems prudent - and hey, have we had a terrorist thingie go down in the USA since we put it in place? Gotta give the DHS that one. Of course, maybe you say it wouldn't have happened anyway. Maybe, maybe not.



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This whole colour system thing is just the government covering their asses. Now if there's an attack, they can say "Hey, we had it on Orange Alert. We else can ya do?" while shrugging comically.



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I am not saying it is good or bad just that I find it ludicrous to raise the level, say they are fearful of the increased chance of an attack but not sure what or where. And by the way, just go on about your business and don't let it bother you.

The real problem I have is the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome that will eventually occur. I am concerned about the time when there is something really out there and they raise the level and no one pays any attention. From the interviews I have heard this is already happening.



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Personally I don't think the threat level has anything to do with the public at large.

Sure they say "be vigilient," or whatever. But I just take that as media spin to satisfy a curious public. In reality, what happens when the terror alert is raised is an increase in security for police and things like airport screening. Heightened security means less chance that a terrorist will be able to pull of an attack.

In a way- if people were to stop caring about the terror color, it doesn't much matter either way. Security will still be heightened, and the same goal will be accomplished. If we get intelligence that we might be attacked, don't you want the securioty level increased, even if they are wrong almost every time?

I personally think it is kind of silly to balk at an "Orange Alert" just because we have not been blown up anywhere any of the last times we were at that level. To me, an Orange Alert means "crap, the airport lines will be long" and "do I really want to deal with border security for that trip to Mexico?" I have never once thought "Oh my god, got to be on the lookout for TERRORISTS!"

(edited by Pool-Boy on 23.12.03 1259)


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But here's my question...I mean the color code and the alerts if you're John Q. Citizen are all fine and good, but really: what can John Q. Citizen actually DO in order to stop any type of attack if God forbid something was to happen?

Unless we were all waslking around with Uzis and gas masks at all times, it's a bit dicey.

Oh yea....we can duct tape the windows.

And by the way, the only two citizens I ever knew who were truly vigillent were Bernard Goetz and Bruce Wayne.



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Meanwhile, in the Great White North, OUR terror alert level is...nonexistant, still. The only government agency created after 9-11 was OCIPEP [Click Here], which is to make sure that nobody ruins our resources or infrastructures. That's it.



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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    Meanwhile, in the Great White North, OUR terror alert level is...nonexistant, still. The only government agency created after 9-11 was OCIPEP [Click Here], which is to make sure that nobody ruins our resources or infrastructures. That's it.
Well, let's hope that nothing ever happens to Canada to cause their government to feel the need to create such a system. I wish that had worked out for the United States, but I wish for a lotta things.



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Since: 11.12.01
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    This whole colour system thing is just the government covering their asses. Now if there's an attack, they can say "Hey, we had it on Orange Alert. We else can ya do?" while shrugging comically.


Really, think a little bit.

You really think the US government is doing so little that the alerts are there just for coverup? Thats like saying stop signs are there so the government doesn't have to physically stop you at every intersection. Ridiculous.




(edited by Eddie Famous on 23.12.03 1856)


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