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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
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    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    TNA's contract with Spike expires in the fall, it has become a major internal topic, but I don't believe for a second (Spike) is going to drop wrestling because it's the network's highest rated show and the marketing plan for 2013 is to use Thursday night wrestling and the MMA talk show to promote Friday night Bellator, and also use Bellator to promote Thursday night wrestling.


    Originally posted by Mark Madden
    Hogan contract expires in fall. Impact agreement w/Spike expires in fall. Hogan will try2 snake deal from Dixie, start Spike-branded co.

    Next up: Hogan cons his way into running a Spike TV-branded wrestling promotion in place of Impact. Hogan and Eric Bischoff take the time slot away from Dixie Carter and use Spike’s money to run the company.

    The wheels are already in motion. Hogan is still a BIG STAR to middle-aged TV executives. His way would work better than Dixie’s, brother. He’s a BIG STAR, dude. Who knows more about wrestling than the Hulkster, brother? He tells Dixie what to do, but she just won’t listen, dude.

    Dixie never should have re-signed Hogan and Bischoff. They haven’t helped Impact one bit, and now they’re poised to give her the boot and take over, a real-life version of the idiotic angle they did. That was just a dry run. MONEY MARK.


Then on the F4 board, Meltzer implied the analogy of UFC : Bellator to TNA : Spike-owned Hogan promotion.

    Originally posted by Meltzer
    Bellator. "We would rather be owners than renters"
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.98
In the theoretical world, this makes sense. Why get behind a product that could get hot and jump at a better offer when contract renewal time comes when you can just take the product in house and have complete control of the product?
Could I see Hogan and Bischoff playing the: When we worked for a company that owned the product, we made it #1 card, in an absolute second they would play that card. Now, the fact that Hogan's initial big rise will have begun around 30 years ago and ended 20 years ago at that point, and his second big run will have been 17 and ended approximately 15 years ago will not be subjects that Hogan and Bischoff stress.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.55
Anything is possible and Bischoff has accrued a lot of power because of his close relationship with the Spike execs, who lost confidence in Dixie after she didn't deliver the M.E.M early last year. As far as Madden I read his full column and laughed when he said Nash and Hall and not Hogan made the NWO as big as it was. Hogan's turn in reality set the business on fire as he was a massive baby face for fifteen years and his turn drew the type of heat few heels ever did. Nash and Hall never drew a dime when not piggybacking Hogan. It is good to see Madden is still a shill for Nash though.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I think, from an "all talk" perspective, Hogan and Bischoff could pull off the switch, but then what?

The biggest issue for them, and I would imagine for Spike too, is that they don't have product right now.

I don't know how TNA contracts work, if they're easily broken, or who's contract expires this year, but I think back to the Hulkamania Australia tour as a template for a Hogan promotion. Would they offer up Brutus Beefcake and the Nasty Boys? Eugene? Could they steal Jeff Hardy?

Yeah, Spike would have control, but building a wrestling league from the ground up would be a huge investment that would require talent.

But hey, this is all speculation. Too many questions, no answers from me. Whatever.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 15.2.12 2058)
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
I dunno, you'd think Dixie and Jarrett (who isn't an official owner but has been paired with Dixie for years) also have pretty solid relationships with Spike, not to mention the fact that they could also just say, "So wait, you want to put up a bunch of capital to fund your own wrestling company? Why not just keep working with us since we have an infrastructure in play and let Panda keep paying the bills?"



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The problem is Spike itself needs a complete make over. They are airing Jail marathons in the middle of the week for ####ing sake..... Just everything they do comes across as a cheap, low tier TV network these days.
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Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
I will laugh my ass off if they can't steal TNA talent so they base their new promotion around guys like Jay Lethal that they never should have let go from TNA on their watch.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    The problem is Spike itself needs a complete make over. They are airing Jail marathons in the middle of the week for ####ing sake..... Just everything they do comes across as a cheap, low tier TV network these days.


Spike is well aware of what they are and play to it. The entire network's gimmick is being trash TV for men 18-35. I don't see that changing anytime soon since they are the lone network pushing hard for that demographic.



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If this does happen, big if here, I think we could see a scenario of wrestlers choosing to jump ship to WWE which is a small number of those who could vs. wrestlers who need a paycheck. At the end of the day, this is a job for a lot of them and they need the money. Wrestlers will go where the money is.

I also think the bad thing for Dixie and maybe the good thing for the fans is she has never had the presence that Vince does with the WWE. When people think WWE, Vince's name will come up after Hogan, Austin, Rock and Cena. Dixie has never been that person which is sorta good, because she is a lousy actress. She has allowed Jeff Jarrett, Bischoff, Hogan and now Sting to assume those roles. So, if they do kick her out, no one is going to notice it. So, it won't be that big of a difference for the fans. The only question is the brand name. Impact Wrestling has not caught on and the company is still TNA. I would think they would have to buy out the rights to the name and if they don't changing around brand names is a dangerous avenue for any business.


I truly believe Mark Madden is the one of the worst people in the IWC and a total hack when it comes to anything sports. The man has been fired from almost every station in Pittsburgh and is seen as a joke. He is everything wrong with radio arm chair quarterbacking personalities. Talk loud and tough, but doughy all around. I just take anything he says with very little creditability. He also taking a position where he can't be wrong. If it does go through then he will claim he is a prophet. If it doesn't he will say they listened to him and had insiders go to Dixie with the scoop they saw on Wrestlezone. Either way, he will gain credibility for creating a made up crisis. I just don't see this happening considering if Spike watches the show they see Hogan and Bischoff pushing Eric's son to a shitty response. That should tell them something.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
The worst thing about this article is that it reminded me that Mark Madden existed.

I can't ever see SpikeTV getting rid of TNA because, as crappy as it is, what else do they have that people actually want to watch besides, perhaps, the Star Wars marathons?
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I was hoping that Hogan's contract coming to an end right around the time the WWE Network was about to start would lead to some kind of best-of-both-worlds scenario. Bring Hogan back in under a Legends contract, let him be an Interim GM for a few weeks and then have him: do publicity/appear in glitch-ridden, server-less WWE video games/sell some t-shirts/get run over by an evil John Cena and then do a reality show or two to fill programming time on the new network.

This would also free TNA up to briefly be interesting again before Dixie would get tricked into letting, I don't know, Matt Hardy book the company.

(I would totally watch an insane Matt Hardy-booked TNA, by the way.)

Edited to add: I believe this would only be the second biggest Mark Madden news story of the past year, for whatever that's worth.

(edited by Dr Unlikely on 16.2.12 0926)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    I can't ever see SpikeTV getting rid of TNA because, as crappy as it is, what else do they have that people actually want to watch besides, perhaps, the Star Wars marathons?

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.93
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think we could see a scenario of wrestlers choosing to jump ship to WWE...


Uh... no.

Given the chance, every single person in TNA right now, with the exception of Sting, would sell off their first born child and their soul to be in the WWE. They don't 'choose' to jump ship. They're in TNA because the WWE doesn't want them. What you will see is a bunch of out of work wrestlers fighting for spots in the indy feds.

As for Spike programming, Jail is pretty good when there's nothing else to watch.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
This seems pretty far fetched even for the kooky world of wrestling. Cerebus - I agree that there is likely a good amount of wrestlers in TNA that would like to be in the WWE, but there is also a ton of guys loyal to Dixie, and Jarrett and want to help the company grow. AJ Styles for one. Styles actually turned down a development deal from the WWE ten years ago, but that mostly because he was making more money in the Indies than the WWE offered and his wife was going to college and he didn't wanna move away from her.

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I just can't believe anything Hogan/Bischoff-led being all that successful ...

I don't know how other fans feel, but I just had to quit watching TNA altogether. Even if there is NOTHING on TV on a Thursday night, I'll watch a repeat of something on the Food Network before watch that garbage. It's waaaaay worse now than the latter wCw Thunder days ever were.

Hogan should just accept a nice WWE Legends deal, making periodic appearances on TV, hosting a Wrestlemania, etc. I'd even go so far as to say he could be the WWE GM (w/o having to appear on every episode).

But if current TNA guys were allowed out of their contracts, should the TNA brand go belly-up, guys like Roode, James Storm, maybe Crimson would likely be first in line for WWE shots.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    I just can't believe anything Hogan/Bischoff-led being all that successful ...

    I don't know how other fans feel, but I just had to quit watching TNA altogether. Even if there is NOTHING on TV on a Thursday night, I'll watch a repeat of something on the Food Network before watch that garbage. It's waaaaay worse now than the latter wCw Thunder days ever were.

    Hogan should just accept a nice WWE Legends deal, making periodic appearances on TV, hosting a Wrestlemania, etc. I'd even go so far as to say he could be the WWE GM (w/o having to appear on every episode).

    But if current TNA guys were allowed out of their contracts, should the TNA brand go belly-up, guys like Roode, James Storm, maybe Crimson would likely be first in line for WWE shots.

    (edited by Mayhem on 16.2.12 1328)
I felt the same way as you do a year or so agop after the whole Jeff Hardy debacle. I had stopped watching TNA for around 5-6 months and when I started watching agaoin in August I noticed that the product had improved and there was less nonsense thanks to the influence of Bruce Pritchard. The show still has it's issues mostly the Bischoffs, but otherwise the show has improved in leaps and bounds from where it was a year ago.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
I think the story of Eric's life is that knowing how to talk professionally to TV execs, with buzzwords and corporate speak, is what counts and track record doesn't. Especially when he hitches his wagon to the Hogan name, and especially when he can point to one period of time when he succeeded big to people who don't necessarily understand why.

This is not just a Madden rumor btw, he just came out and said it first. It's the saucy gossip du jour of wrestling. At the least, it's a fun soap opera plot to think about. And it's interesting that Meltzer said that Spike would keep "wrestling" and not "TNA," and "Thursday night wrestling" and not "Impact."

    Originally posted by lotjx
    I truly believe Mark Madden is a total hack when it comes to anything sports. He is everything wrong with radio arm chair quarterbacking personalities.


He is. But he pretty transparently just plays pro wrestling heel and takes antagonistic positions to drum up a reaction. It's dumb and valueless, but if people around here still fall for it after all these years then more power to him I guess. It is kind of funny to see him use what he learned from one world in another -- he's basically just playing his idols Ric Flair and Scott Hall, whose heel characters were liars and knew it, but talked themselves up just to irritate people.

    Originally posted by graves9
    As far as Madden I read his full column and laughed when he said Nash and Hall and not Hogan made the NWO as big as it was. Hogan's turn in reality set the business on fire as he was a massive baby face for fifteen years and his turn drew the type of heat few heels ever did. Nash and Hall never drew a dime when not piggybacking Hogan.


It's true, he's out to lunch (zang) on that one. Nash and Hall facilitated the circumstances to get Hogan white hot again, but they weren't going to set business records without him. You only have to look at the buyrates for the PPVs Hogan worked vs. the ones he didn't.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Especially when [Bischoff] hitches his wagon to the Hogan name, and especially when he can point to one period of time when he succeeded big to people who don't necessarily understand why.
But doesnt anyone ever ask what the hell happened between 1998-2012?? Not that he was running wrestling companies that whole time, but still.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Normally I'd say well its wrestle zone, but they did break the Russo story......... I know the spike guys love Bischoff and are marks for Hogan, but theres no guarantee that a new promotion headed by Hogan and Bischoff would draw the ratings impact draws.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    He is. But he pretty transparently just plays pro wrestling heel and takes antagonistic positions to drum up a reaction. It's dumb and valueless, but if people around here still fall for it after all these years then more power to him I guess. It is kind of funny to see him use what he learned from one world in another -- he's basically just playing his idols Ric Flair and Scott Hall, whose heel characters were liars and knew it, but talked themselves up just to irritate people.


Eh. Every decent sized market has a few of these guys in the sports media...don't think it has much to do with wrestling. Madden's MIGHT be...



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