Diva's are ratings. Fuck, half of my friends watched wrestling in 2001, after they'd lost interest, just for Bra and Panties matches and what have you. Again, Vince knows his audience better than we do which is why the Diva Search was a smart, if not exactly entertaining, idea.
I was glued to my set just waiting for someone to royally screw up on live TV. Tracie's savvy behavior won me over, but watching Eric Bischoff go drill sergeant on a pack of pneumatic wannabes is excellent TV. Here's an opportunity to for the WWE to fire someone -- live, no less -- and have it mean something. They would actually be out of the running and off the air forever. Eric should have real, instant firing power over the divas with the lowest votes each week.
I suspect Jericho won't be involved with them next week, assuming he'll target Batista. That leaves who to babysit the divas? Why, Val Venis, you under-utitlized pornstar, I think this is right up your, um, alley.
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Originally posted by leggoDiva's are ratings. Fuck, half of my friends watched wrestling in 2001, after they'd lost interest, just for Bra and Panties matches and what have you. Again, Vince knows his audience better than we do which is why the Diva Search was a smart, if not exactly entertaining, idea.
That's ignoring the fact that the live crowds shit all over it, and that while it may get decent ratings ( ::shudder:: ) for a few weeks, anyone watching solely for it won't hang around when it's done. So, in essence, Vince is paying a quarter of a million to bump up ratings a bit in 1 segment each of the next 9(?) weeks. How is that smart?
Yeah I suppose you've got a good point with the crowd thing, but I'm still convinced it brings in the young-teen-who-can't-watch-porn-cos-mommy's-in-the-next-room contingent and the casual fan who sees girls and stays tuned. That's a lot of people believe it or not, and the 4.0 rating for Diva Search showed it to be true. When the competition begins to get some sort of an identity it'll catch on. Pfft, already you've got tons of people saying, "I'm not going to comment on this, BUT..." and then going into a diatribe of it. We're all reality TV junkies like it or not, no matter how corny or idiotic it is I suspect we'll warm up to it a little given a couple of weeks (although one could attribute that to resigning ourselves to our fate).
How is it smart? Vince gets to bone them. It's like the hookers without the guilt. Can YOU say you've had 10 women at the same time? Probably not, but Vince sure will be able to die smiling.
Oh, and a bump in the ratings, leads to an easier reflective light on WWE from the media, which leads to better publicity. It also means that the fans who enjoy the Diva segments one week will likely tune in again, hopefully enjoy something else on the show (I've yet to see a casual fan not warm to Eugene. Seriously, he's my justification for being a wrestling fan nowadays). Hopefully they will in turn tell this to their friends, who will tell their friends and soon, hopefully, WWE will be back in the public limelight. I believe THAT (and the orgies) was what I meant by smart on Vince's part. Whether it works is yet to be seen, but it's a decent concept from a business standpoint.
Originally posted by leggobut I'm still convinced it brings in the young-teen-who-can't-watch-porn-cos-mommy's-in-the-next-room contingent and the casual fan who sees girls and stays tuned.
But they won't stick around, or buy PPV's, or attend live events.
Aren't they being invited to phone a premium rate line week after week? If he can get people to care enough to do that then its a fairly safe bet they'll stick around to watch 'their' Diva once it's all over. They might even buy her merchandise or pay to watch her on PPV.
So, in essence, Vince is paying a quarter of a million to bump up ratings a bit in 1 segment each of the next 9(?) weeks. How is that smart? Oh, yeah, not to mention the cost of flying them around the country, and putting them up in hotels, and likely some meal money, as well as the props/whatever needed to do the segments every week.
And, yeah, the redhead is ANNOYING
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Eh, cost of flying ten people around for a couple of months probably would put the total bill at around $300k (approximately). Even if its only 50c a phone call and there were no ratings boost he needs less than 70,000 calls a week to break even. Then you've got the inevitable calendar sales to follow, the posters, the likely interest in the winners appearances on TV from these new fans.
So if the increase in ratings is supported by a large number of calls then I'd say it could yet be pretty smart.
Hey, personally I hate the shit and I really can't see the attraction. I have my doubts as to whether these people tuning in have been given reason to care enough to vote. But, heck I didn't think ratings would pop as they appear to have done so I'll gladly concede I could be wrong.
And at the end of the day it really doesn't take up that much of my time at present that it makes the programme signifcantly worse. I'll gladly let them run with it, and if it makes them money, well done to them. If not, feh, I didn't fork out the quarter mill.
Originally posted by dMrAren't they being invited to phone a premium rate line week after week?
Unfortunately, it's not the WCW Hotline but a toll free number that they gave out, so Vince is paying for the calls, not the teenagers. They need Okerlund on this just to put it so far into stupidity that it'll be enough of a traiwreck to watch.
I was completely against this idea until someone brought up the fact that Vince gets to bone all 10 chicks. It all makes sense now. If I were Vince, and I'm not, I'd have 20 semi-finalists... every month.
I don't know why anyone's surprised that the Diva Search got high ratings. I don't think that Vince hit on anything new when he thought "Hey, maybe scantily clad women=ratings?!?" If they want REAL high ratings, just show a close-up of a pair of tits for 2 hours and 10 minutes next monday night. It'll set reconds for Raw ratings, but it's still not wrestling, which is the problem for the wrestling fans here. Unfortunately, we aren't the majority.
ps. I watched the re-run of Raw last night, and Jericho said that they WEREN'T a bunch of rats. I don't know why everyone's got that quote wrong, but he was praising them.
Is it at all possible that the fans were booing the CITIES these girls were saying they were from? After all, they withheld booing each girl until AFTER they discovered she was from somewhere else. They weren't booing everything else the first time I watched it, and they still weren't booing anything else when I caught the re-run on TSN late last night. Doesn't mean the whole Diva Search is any less stupid...
I just think some people are jumping the gun and looking for "evidence" that isn't there yet. And I share the same feelings - I want the Diva Search off my TV - but I can live with it. Eventually, it'll be gone.
There was a Smackdown taping here a few weeks ago. That evening, I was busy interviewing people for a local media station as they waited outside and then streamed into the arena. What I found was that almost EVERYONE said they were there to see some combination of: 1) Cena 2) Undertaker 3) Torrie Wilson & Sable
I was surprised people still like Taker that much - and that they even care about Sable. I would suggest a lot of the IWC is out of touch with the likes and dislikes of the greater majority of wrestling fans - the ones who attend events, watch it on TV, but don't bother with internet forums. But that's just one way to see it.
Originally posted by JMShapiroIt will probably continue to do good quarters, at least. I'm not going to comment on this, BUT it needs more Coachman~ and the redhead must die.
Preach. Wherever that girl is from, she's the one that's fucked every guy in the bar. And a quarter mil buys a lot of herpes medication.
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Originally posted by Phantom LordMost of the audience is male...so of course we'll watch. I hate the diva's search, but I'm not complaining when they are in bikini's and revealing outfits.
Which is something I've never understood about the T&A mentality of television -- why bother? If I wanted porn it's only a few mouseclicks away and it'll be far more exciting than bikini beach blanket bingo. If I want wrestling I tune in Monday nights at nine, and skip my way past this crud thanks to Mr. Tivo Remote Control. Seeing watered down porn on my TV when I want wrestling matches doesn't make sense.
(At least monday night had a few lengthy matches alongside that segment, and Jericho's snarky attitude helped a lot. Loverboy fans unite! I only started skipping when Jericho was done speaking and the office destruction was taking too long.)
But as has been noted, I'm hardly part of the seething mass WWE audience which is actually giving them tons of money and eyeballs for this, so I guess we're going to have to put up with it...
Furry, the problem with your argument becomes one of focus. Take an episode of Raw from a couple of months ago. There may have been 1-2 enjoyable segments on the show lasting 3-10 minutes, and the rest was from not enjoyable to downright painful.