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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
I have read through these threads and I feel bad for the true WWE fan. I do not consider myself a true fan anymore becasue complete and utter apathy has taken over my body in terms of the WWE. There was a time when I would not even change the channel during a commercial in fear of missing something good. Now, when certain wrestlers come out to open the show, I know there is 10-20 minutes of crap coming and can look elsewhere. Vince and Co. have taken wreslters I care about and knocked them down a peg and has pulled up from the dregs wrestlers who should not even be on TV.

I do not know how dark this period of wrestling will get, but I am bracing for the worst. I do not watch Smackdown and I can hardly sit through RAW. When Eugene, the WWE's Goldberg the WCW version, is what you are hanging your hat on, then God help you. The man has angles going with Rock, HHH, La Resistance, Eric Bischoff, William Regal, Chris Benoit, Coach, Evolution etc.. Granted, he is fun to watch, but how quick is this schtick going to get stale or forced down our collective throats each Monday? And who the hell is going to step up on Smackdown and take charge? UT - too old. Cena - too juvenile. Booker T - only in my dreams. RVD - get real. Eddie - does he even want it?

RIP Paul Bearer? RIP WWE.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
Smackdown is just running too short on guys who can be believable in the babyface role at the moment. Eddie, Cena, and Rey... maybe RVD. After that, your next biggest babyface is Bob Holly. Compare that to the Raw roster, where you have HBK, Benoit, Jericho, Edge, Shelton, Eugene, and even Tajiri as guys who the fans can get behind and believe have a shot to win. Does the cruiserweight division even have anyone left in there who the fans can believe have a shot to win? Maybe Spike Dudley, but that’s the only one I can think of.

Build up Charlie Haas and turn Rene Dupree face. Maybe Rico, too, once he gets back. From there, you’ve got a decent stable of fresh babyfaces for the fans to get behind.
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    With JBL winning, he can take on Cena, Mysterio, and RVD before, I guess, losing the belt back to Eddie or something.


So, with two months between PPVs, that would be a, what, six-month minimum run with the belt? LOL at the thought of what posts would look like in November.

That said, I haven't watched SmackDown in forever, and I didn't even know the Bash was tonight, but I flipped over to Heat and saw the video package recapping the buildup to the bullrope match, and the WWE still does a fine job cranking THOSE out, at least.



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
It's not that I purposefully go out of my way to not watch Smackdown anymore. It's that I forget it's on. Last Thursday, I was at home, playing a game, and it never crossed my mind to watch wrestling. But I'll tape RAW if I'm out of the house.

But with this title change, I'll not watch it out of spite, now. No matter how many people try to convince me that RVD or Cena will be next in line for the shot.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
I just got back from Norfolk, and here's my opinions of the show. First, they may be skewed, as I haven't seen it on tape, and even the crappiest of shows are better live.

The Fourway US Title match was good. The Cruiserweight Title match was good. The bullrope match was good. Everything else was BOOOOOOOOOOOORING. Seriously, the crowd started out hot. But they then went DEAD until the Bullrope match.

It's amazing though. From all the people I talk to online, EVERYONE said how horrible the Paul Bearer storyline is. Yet, when I was standing in line at the arena, guess what everyone was looking forward to? Yes, the Undertaker/Dudley Boyz. Everyone was excited to see the crypt. Everyone was excited to see Paul Bearer get buried in cement. It's amazing how different the casual crowd is to the internet crowd.

John Cena, RVD, Rey Mysterio, and Undertaker are really over with the crowd. And Eddie Guerrero was INSANELY over (seriously, I couldn't believe how the crowd was reacting to him. Other than them, though, people just didn't by anybody else as superstars.

Overall, I thought it was a thumbs in the middle show, as it had three good matches. But the rest was just terrible.



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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
I wouldn't doubt that people were looking foward to seeing The Undertaker's match because there is always that part of us who want to see a car wreck happen.

I think JBL will turn out to be a better champion then people will expect him to be that's all I'm gonna say for now.



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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
I was also there in Norfolk and I don't think that it was the worst PPV ever, but it was also far from the best ever. My opinions may be a little biased because (just like OMEGA said) even some of the crappiest matches in the world are a little bit more fun when you are actually there at the arena.

I was happy that Eddie got a really good response. I didn't want to be at the show where the crowd didn't give that big of a reponse to one of Smackdown's top stars. Also, I think I was the only person in the whole arena cheering for Chavo when he came out. I haven't yet seen the tape but nobody's talked about a dead crowd so hopefully the chants and everything turned out just as good on TV as it did there.

I was eager to get up here and read the different opinions on the show but it seems like one of the only opinions I can truly agree with is Chill's. I think a lot of people are jumping on the wagon so to speak to bash the show and certain decisions being made. While people are quick to say that they'll never watch Smackdown becuase JBL is the champ, nobody seems to give an alternate opinion. Bottom line is if Eddie won, who would he feud with next?? There's not too many heels for him to feud with. In my opinion, JBL was the best choice for the winner last night. He will never be Chris Benoit or Ric Flair, but I don't think he will send the WWE out of business by being the champ for a little while.





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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by BigTimbo
    I was also there in Norfolk and I don't think that it was the worst PPV ever, but it was also far from the best ever. My opinions may be a little biased because (just like OMEGA said) even some of the crappiest matches in the world are a little bit more fun when you are actually there at the arena.

    I was happy that Eddie got a really good response. I didn't want to be at the show where the crowd didn't give that big of a reponse to one of Smackdown's top stars. Also, I think I was the only person in the whole arena cheering for Chavo when he came out. I haven't yet seen the tape but nobody's talked about a dead crowd so hopefully the chants and everything turned out just as good on TV as it did there.

    I was eager to get up here and read the different opinions on the show but it seems like one of the only opinions I can truly agree with is Chill's. I think a lot of people are jumping on the wagon so to speak to bash the show and certain decisions being made. While people are quick to say that they'll never watch Smackdown becuase JBL is the champ, nobody seems to give an alternate opinion. Bottom line is if Eddie won, who would he feud with next?? There's not too many heels for him to feud with. In my opinion, JBL was the best choice for the winner last night. He will never be Chris Benoit or Ric Flair, but I don't think he will send the WWE out of business by being the champ for a little while.




It's nice to see my opinion (while consistently unpopular) isn't alone. But there don't seem to be too many people willing to stop banging their griping gavels. I'd love to gripe and complain too, but it won't change anything and I have better things to do with my time. At least, most days. :P
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
Actually, when the belt changed hands last night, I was very... Not angry. I really didn't mind that they gave JBL the belt. Hey, while I'm not a fan of his in-ring work, and I feel he was pushed ahead of more deserving guys (Cena, Booker, Van Dam), the character has grown on me. And Bradshaw does a GREAT job of playing the character. Let's wait and see this play out before we totally shit on it.



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I'm not totally hating JBL, I think he has improved some things. But, what I do hate is the fact that he went from a pretty bland tag team match with mid carders one week, and the next he's main event material out of the blue. That's all. No logical progression to the main eventer slot. Just 0 to 100 in less than a month. And from what I read, his promos are kind of confusing.

So, I don't hate JBL, but there aren't a lot of people built up for him or Eddie, so they're in a rut regardless.



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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      With JBL winning, he can take on Cena, Mysterio, and RVD before, I guess, losing the belt back to Eddie or something.


    So, with two months between PPVs, that would be a, what, six-month minimum run with the belt? LOL at the thought of what posts would look like in November.


I meant, "here's some examples," rather than "he should main event against each of these guys on PPV." I mean -- Mysterio, for instance, would pretty clearly be a TV Main Event, not PPV.

Nevertheless, I would be pretty amused by a six-month Bradshaw reign. Do I think it's indicative of a shallow, depleted, ill-used roster? Well, sure. But, playing with the hand they've been dealt (and have, in part, dealt themselves), I still think putting the belt on JBL was the right choice at this time.

(And I used to hate Bradshaw more than anyone, but I really DO think he's stepped up in the last few months.)

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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.23
Bradshaw winning the WWE Championship is the equivalent of Pauly Shore winning an Oscar.

I wasn't angry or mad when Bradshaw won, all I thought was how sad this is. I can't even make a connection to other title switches to the past. Some mention WCW-Arquette but that was more of a publicity stunt. Maybe WWF-Sid, but even Sid established himself a bit in his career. Bradshaw title win reminds me a bit of the end days of ECW, where they gave their "world" title to anyone who's still around and not jumping to WCW/WWE in that month... The thing is that's ECW, they hardly had any choice. This is WWE, and sure Angle & Lesner situations hurt. But they had a re-draft, and what do they do with that. They had RVD & Booker get a change of scenery so they feud with EACHOTHER. Then put Booker T in a feud with the Undertaker just so he can get squashed. You can't just blame the circumstances, you also have to blame how they reacted to it.

You want to see what the character can do with a title, FINE. Give him the US title and let him run with it. But to give the MAIN title to a guy who in his entire career isn't good enough to make the A-show on any sort of consistent bases is just ridiculous. And I still don't think he's that over. The SD show I went to he got "whated" out of the arena, everyone was so bored, the only time he wakes up the crowd is when he throws in a cheap heat hometown potshot, I notice he does that a lot... It's just so surreal having this guy as your Company champion, even if he went to a start up company or NWATNA and they put the main belt on him I'd still wonder, Bradshaw? Whoever wins the title next, wow what a feather on their cap I BEAT BRADSHAW. Ahh maybe on SD Linda or someone can come out and says the ref decision is final and Kurt overstepped his authority in reversing it, who knows

Undertaker beat the US champion on SD and then beats the Tag Champions 3 days later 2on1 on PPV, gotta love the way SD is making the titles mean something. It's Undertaker kicking ass and mugging for the camera as Heyman keeps warning him, exactly how I predict it... Paul Heyman calling Undertaker a "bad dog" is a little odd. Paul Bearer making stupid faces in that glass box had me laughing at the stupidity of it all.

Quick recap as this event isn't even worth a detailed account on what happened Sable/Wilson was awful, did they look competent in practice or something? Torrie seems to be getting worse the more experience she gets, I can't explain it. Suzuki/Gunn was horrible as well. Mortecai/Gunn was a little better, maybe even better then I expected. Reigns/ Haas, Luther has a pretty good finisher and decent in the ring, Gayda not a bad valet as she got good attention for Haas & not all for herself... The US title 4-way match was average, I expected a bit more. Some of the obvious stay outside so only two guys wrestle was at some ridiculous levels early on, didn't expect Cena to win. I guess that's good booking when I expect someone to lose & they keep pulling it out. Rey/Chavo was the best match of the card, even with Rey's selling of the leg it didn't really take away from the action.

-Line of the Night: Heyman "Bad Dog"... -Sign of the Night "Bring Back Chavo Classic"... -3Stars of the Night 1)Mysterio. 2)Chavo. 3)Eddie.

I remember when I used to make room every Thursday and plan my night around SD. Now I tape it & most of the time I don't even get to it until Sunday. Bradshaw as WWE champion has no interest at all, because whoever his opponent is, it's still Bradshaw as champion which makes the next title switch meaningless... But I must also say like a lot of people here when the title the thought of "Why am I watching this" crossed my mind. Believe me I'm not saying this as some sort of statement it's just everything on the show comes off as so meaningless that it's hardly worth watching. I'm just glad I didn't pay for it to watch it live (as I usually do PPV's)




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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I wasn't angry or mad when Bradshaw won, all I thought was how sad this is.


That's about a concise and accurate as it gets.

The Paul Bearer thing is ridiculous, sure. But it's not like this is the first time WWE wrestlers have tried to murder each other, despite what some people seem to be hinting at. Hawk falls off the Titantron to his death...oh wait, maybe not. Kane survives both a horrible limo wreck AND a flaming dumpster in the span of a few weeks. HHH gets dropped on his head while trapped in a car 30 feet in the air. Al Wilson expires doing what most men would want to go out doing. The Undertaker "dies" due to live burial (twice). You get the idea. While all of those events were pretty dumb, that's what wrestling is occasionally - dumb. You ignore it or laugh about how goofy it was and move on.

The concept of wrestlers trying to kill each other is pretty lame, sure. But as a wrestling fan, it's a HELL of a lot more disturbing and depressing to see JOHN JUSTIN HAWK FREAKIN' BRADSHAW LAYFIELD become THE TOP WRESTLER IN THE COMPANY in WWE's eyes, at least for that half of the roster.



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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
WWE's main demographic is not kids anymore, hasn't been for over a decade, it's males 18-30.

I believe it was Scherer who reported not so long ago that the reason for the brand re-shuffling and the cartoony characters is because Vince is under the belief that his shows are watched by two different demographics now.

The Undertaker shit doesn't work because it's poorly done, not because it's goofy. Back in the day, WWF was its own little fantasy world where anything could happen. Now it's a blend of reality and work and MURDERING A MAN ON LIVE PPV DOESN'T WORK!

Well live reports in this thread say that it does. If you have any younger WWE fans in your family, asked them what they thought. When I was a kid I didn't analyse storylines and rate them as good or bad, I dealt with what had happened and I reckon here I'd be pretty damn angry and confused at Undertaker, while mourning Paul Bearer. Fact is, you're not going to get someone who's really engrossed by this because it's aimed at people who WWE are looking through the same goggles I, and probably most of you, did. This board is very much aimed at the smart fan, which is fine, so is RAW, the Undertaker angle on the other hand, wasn't, and don't think Vince is shitting a brick at anyone organising a boycott of the show on account of it's crapiness.

Kids worried about Paul Bearer? I don't know about that. These "kids" weren't around when Paul was last around, and most likely got their first taste of him at WMXX, so where did they build any kind of emotional attachment to him? "Never as shocked"? Ha!

He's the Undertaker's 'conscience'. Again, kids don't question the intricacies of what being Taker's conscience entails, they just assume that without him Taker will be under Paul Heyman's spell or whatever and therefore bad, thus lies your emotional attachment.

SD aimed at children? Cena rapping about his dick. Calling his foes gay. Anything involving Torrie, Sable, Dawn, Jackie. Rico's gimmick. The hot tub stuff on the PPV. Televised homicide. That's not "kid friendly" in my book.

Cena and the woman's stuff is thrown in as a pay-off for the parents watching the show with their kids. They're not THAT blatant if you don't know what to look for, just look at all of the underlying meanings of nursery rhymes for subtle stuff like this used and going right over kids' heads. Again, the X-rated parts of Rico's gimmick are exactly those that go over kids' heads. How many kids do you know that when a man starts to ride another man will think 'doggy style' rather than buy Cole's line that Rico's 'just out here having fun'? Plus his whole angle with Charlie Haas is that of accepting others differences to succeed in life, another very simple but effective method of preaching to CHILDREN. Televised homicide?

I watched the Wizard of Oz the other day (it's my sister's okay?!). The Wicked Witch of the West kidnapped Dorothy and told her that when the egg-timer ran out, she would die. Are you going to call 911 every time you see that and report and abduction and attempted murder? Didn't think so. And isn't it strange how no one was up in arms JUST LAST NOVEMBER, when Undertaker was killed by his brother Kane at Survivor Series. But NOOOO, that meant he would come back as the Deadman, so we'll just brush that whole issue of televised homicide under the table and won't complain about it because the pay-off we'll actually enjoy. Okay.

It's working? The crowd sat on it's hands for Suzuki & Mordecai, 2 of the new heels they're going to be pushing. I didn't catch Haas/Reigns, so I don't know what the crowd was like for that match, but judging by Suzuki's & Mordecai's matches, the fans aren't too receptive towards them.

Suzuki and Mordecai's characters are being established. Rocky Maivia was treated with apathy turned into utter HATRED before turning into one of the biggest draws ever. I don't hear people talking about how insanely over Steve Austin was in his 'Stunning' or 'Ringmaster' days. But no, we need something to complain about and Suzuki and Mordecai are new and vulnerable characters so let's pick on them for a bit.

I said it before in one of your "Contributors" columns - pushing big guys as "ME SMASH SMALL GUY!" doesn't work anymore. Cartoon gimmicks aren't going to draw in new, young fans. There's a reason Nathan Jones, Heidenreich, Matt Morgan didn't get over, and it's the same reason Suzuki & Mordecai won't - they're just big lunks with borderline talent.

The reason they didn't get over was because they flat out sucked. You'll always hear people bitching about how Nathan Jones' suckiness ruined a good gimmick, so the premise was right, the people you mentioned just handled it wrong. Bad example. And it's pointless condemning Suzuki and Mordecai before they're characters are even established. I can't remember who it was here, but they made a DAMN fine point about how people blast newbies so they can say 'SEE? I WAS RIGHT!' if they fail and say 'Well they improved tons...' if they were wrong. Just wait and see before making rash judgments.

You want to bring in young viewers - showcase a younger, faster, more athletic product. Using the cruisers correctly could bring in young viewers. They have guys like Haas & RVD who should be positioned as current & future big time players. Rey is over enough to be used outside the cruiser division. Move Jericho to SD (he desperately needs to get away from HHH). All of that would be way more effective than giving big pushes to Suzuki, Mordecai, and Reigns.

Listen, I think Vince knows how to run his company a TINY bit more than you do okay, so pardon me if I ignore your little three-step plan on saving WWE. Try sending as an 'Open Letter to Vince McMahon' to Wade Keller, then I'm sure they'll HAVE to listen to you then okay ;).

But as a wrestling fan, it's a HELL of a lot more disturbing and depressing to see JOHN JUSTIN HAWK FREAKIN' BRADSHAW LAYFIELD become THE TOP WRESTLER IN THE COMPANY in WWE's eyes, at least for that half of the roster.

Yeah, know what? You're right. And imagine Dr. ISAAC YANKEM main evented Raw fighting for the World Title?! HAHAHA! Or, OR, Mean Mark Callous went undefeated at WrestleMania? HILARIOUS! Or that WCW MID-CARDER Cactus Jack wrote a best-selling book talking about his career as a stuntman wrestler? HAW!

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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Suzuki and Mordecai's characters are being established. Rocky Maivia was treated with apathy turned into utter HATRED before turning into one of the biggest draws ever. I don't hear people talking about how insanely over Steve Austin was in his 'Stunning' or 'Ringmaster' days. But no, we need something to complain about and Suzuki and Mordecai are new and vulnerable characters so let's pick on them for a bit.

Austin had talent & charisma, and Rock had a ton of charisma (although, he really didn't show it when he first debuted). Behind those gimmicks were talented wrestlers. Suzuki just flat out is awful, and there's nothing special about Mordecai. No amount of "establishing their characters" is going to cover up the fact that there's nothing special about either guy.


    And it's pointless condemning Suzuki and Mordecai before they're characters are even established.

You mentioned Nathan Jones sucked - Suzuki is his Japanese doppleganger. Mordecai has had numerous vignettes, plus a couple matches already. I think fans have a good idea of what his character is going to be about, and I don't see many people getting into it.


    Listen, I think Vince knows how to run his company a TINY bit more than you do okay, so pardon me if I ignore your little three-step plan on saving WWE.

::looks at SD::

::looks at SD ratings::

::looks at SD house shows being cancelled::

::looks at poor SD PPV buy-rates::

Hmmmm. You're right - how could I be so blind?

Point is - SD was pulling in damn good ratings back during the "SD6" era, ratings that rival today's Raw ratings, so there's a precedent that fans will be receptive to a more athletic product. Look at Raw - they moved Benoit over, let the matches go longer (and put on better matches), and ratings have risen. This isn't the 1980's. The era of cartoony big guys is done.



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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by leggo
    The Undertaker shit doesn't work because it's poorly done, not because it's goofy. Back in the day, WWF was its own little fantasy world where anything could happen. Now it's a blend of reality and work and MURDERING A MAN ON LIVE PPV DOESN'T WORK!

    Well live reports in this thread say that it does. If you have any younger WWE fans in your family, asked them what they thought. When I was a kid I didn't analyse storylines and rate them as good or bad, I dealt with what had happened and I reckon here I'd be pretty damn angry and confused at Undertaker, while mourning Paul Bearer. Fact is, you're not going to get someone who's really engrossed by this because it's aimed at people who WWE are looking through the same goggles I, and probably most of you, did. This board is very much aimed at the smart fan, which is fine, so is RAW, the Undertaker angle on the other hand, wasn't, and don't think Vince is shitting a brick at anyone organising a boycott of the show on account of it's crapiness.


Plus, it's not like we haven't seen others get murdered on PPV. Didn't all those Buried Alive matches have the exact same concept as this? Y'know, burying someone until they can't breathe and die? Why people waited until now to complain about murdering people on live PPV is beyond me, as they've been doing that since 1996.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Except they're portraying it this time as Bearer actually being dead. He's done with the WWE, and it's very unlikely that he'll ever be brought back. They're writing him off as really, truly dead.

Sure, Taker was buried alive last year, but everyone knew he'd be back. Same as all other "buried alive" matches they've done. Said "buried" wrestler/personality would be back in the near future. That's the difference between the Bearer angle and all other ones that came before it.



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
Yeah, but the casual fans don't know that Paul Bearer is done with the company. To them, he could easily come back and extract revenge on Undertaker & Paul Heyman.



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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Except they're portraying it this time as Bearer actually being dead. He's done with the WWE, and it's very unlikely that he'll ever be brought back. They're writing him off as really, truly dead.

    Sure, Taker was buried alive last year, but everyone knew he'd be back. Same as all other "buried alive" matches they've done. Said "buried" wrestler/personality would be back in the near future. That's the difference between the Bearer angle and all other ones that came before it.


Well, both Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine and Mabel never came back from their respective casket matches.

Uh, well, er, SORTA. :-P



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Listen, I think Vince knows how to run his company a TINY bit more than you do okay, so pardon me if I ignore your little three-step plan on saving WWE.

::looks at SD::

::looks at SD ratings::

::looks at SD house shows being cancelled::

::looks at poor SD PPV buy-rates::

Hmmmm. You're right - how could I be so blind?


So you're pretty much arguing that you can run a wrestling company better than Vince McMahon. You are blind.

I'm just finished reading Hyatte's most recent, so I'm going to quote him here: "Relax, Vince has a plan, Vince ALWAYS has a plan."
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Good points, there. A powerbomb or two'd work nicely, as well, especially right before the Lock. Personally, I think he'd be better served by modifying that basic bearhug a bit, and applying it from the side instead of the normal way.
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