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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
Well, crap, somebody better send an email or a fax to WWE's Stamford offices. Somehow, these crappy storylines have slipped under the radar without anybody noticing!! I mean, somehow Bradshaw is now the WWE Champion and I'm sure the WWE's braintrust (which turned a profit this past quarter) didn't intend for THAT to happen!

Could it possibly be that this company knows what they're doing? No, that's crazy talk.

And certainly Bradshaw can't be the first unpopular champion to hold one of the world titles in WWE, even though him winning tonight made sense..... and yet somehow the company keeps making money, people keep buying tickets to attend these PPVs (knowing full well the quality of Smackdown these days), and we keep watching. Bradshaw wins the world title and yet life goes on as normal?? This is creepier than David Blaine's street magic!!

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Even if internet forums tend to be the place where you find such things, I see a major overreaction here. I heard all the same crap last year when HHH went a year without losing the World Title (which only made that title's image improve), and yet all the same people are still here today, posting threads - even after swearing they'd give up watching WWE. What's the longest record for one of these vows? Two days?

Sorry, but this whole "That's the last straw, I'm going to boycott WWE and as a result, my sole stoppage is going to send Vince a message!" attitude is tired and overdone. Maybe, just maybe, they have a long-term plan in the works. It's called going in a new direction, and as much as people complain about the new direction, the WWE doesn't seem to be hurting yet.

I haven't watched Smackdown much, because I know it's bad. I don't like it so I don't watch the crap. If you don't like it, don't f'n watch it either. Smackdown hasn't been good in months...maybe even half a year or more. Tonight, the same stuff happened that has been happening on SD for months. However... I, for one, will check out the spoilers this week as usual. And now that I'm intrigued by the Taker's new heel turn and direction led by Paul Heyman, as well as seeing the next chapter in the Eddy/Bradshaw feud, I will likely watch. And if it sucks, I can blame myself for being dumb enough to watch it.

It's not WWE's fault you don't like it. Like I said, it's been this crappy for months. If, by now, you don't like what you see, you only have yourself to blame for still watching it. You people complain over nothing! Really.


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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
See, but it is hurting them. Ratings are down, attendance is down. I don't know where you get your figures from but it's not exactly 1998 anymore.

No one is vowing not to watch the shows to make some kind of moral statement. It's because we're bored to tears, or insulted by the sheer crappiness of what we're being given.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    See, but it is hurting them. Ratings are down, attendance is down. I don't know where you get your figures from but it's not exactly 1998 anymore.

    No one is vowing not to watch the shows to make some kind of moral statement. It's because we're bored to tears, or insulted by the sheer crappiness of what we're being given.


And it took this long for people to come to this decision? I gave up on Smackdown for the reasons you said - but I did it months ago. And nothing has changed on Smackdown in all that time. This is yesterday's news, yet people are acting like the quality of Smackdown had a drastic shift tonight. Please. Go back to the days when Zach Gowen and Brock were facing off and Stephanie was GM if you want to see how far back Smackdown has been sucking.

As for the ratings, I didn't mention ratings. But since you bring it up, the ratings aren't plummeting weekly. They've plateaued at these low levels a few years ago when the casual wrestling fan lost interest. The regulars like us are most of the ones still watching. So there's no correlation here between the show's quality today in June of 2004 and their ratings. The ratings have sucked for a few years now.

In 1998, casual fans tuned in to see Austin, DX, the nWo, and the Rock. Wrestling was a fad, just like how South Park once had big ratings in 1998 also. And that show is actually better now, even with lower ratings. There's no cause and effect here with the ratings, so why bring it up?

Smackdown is crappy television, and it shouldn't have taken any regular viewers this long to realize how bad Smackdown is, unless you're really stupid or you'll watch anything Vince puts on TV because it's wrestling. I assume it's the latter. Anybody who has been watching this crap until today will likely still continue to watch it.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.28
Wha...wait, what? It DOESN'T hurt? Have you been to a Smackdown show lately? A Foghat reunion concert would draw more people. Seriously, the buyrates have been pretty damn low, and attendance is down. The only reason WWE was able to report greater earnings this year was a combination of the closing of WWF/E New York and the fact that they lumped in the earnings from The Rumble in with this quarter (which they didn't do last year).

I do agree with you on the attitudes of some smarks, and the hypocrisy in many saying they're going to boycott WWE entirely. I certainly can't say that, because I'm as reliant on professional wrestling as Charlie Sheen is on expensive hookers. However, they DO have a point.

In my own personal experience (which is not to say this is the end-all and be-all of the situation), I have known many fans who did either decrease their WWE viewing or stopped watching altogether in the past year. This goes for both the self-declared "smarks" and the casual fan (I won't call them marks because anyone not involved in the industry calling them that is silly). In fact, a friend of mine who was a casual fan watched Badd Blood with me and groaned when HHH came out.

Here's the key difference between the long Flair title reigns and the year-long HHH title reign: putting aside the fact that the business has changed to where you don't have the longer title reigns, people deep down always loved Flair. With some now it's a nostalgia thing, but with many even back then, Flair always had that certain intangible (call it charisma or what-have-you) that made people want to watch. Flair could make any babyface look like a million bucks, and people were willing to pay to see Flair get the tar kicked out of him and maybe even defeated.

Now, with HHH, people just hope he loses period, because they're sick of him winning. People don't buy that the babyface will beat HHH, because he always seems to win and they don't do enough to make the babyface challengers a viable threat to him (with the only exception lately I can think of being Shawn Michaels).

You have to admit that the whole Paul Bearer kidnapping/murder, the power of the urn, etctera is incredibly silly and just doesn't work anymore. People rag on the Kenzo Suzuki character, but I'm willing to concede that maybe it's just them trying to see if that old-school heel character will work. It's not and it probably won't, so they'll trash it in a month and that's fine. But when you make repeated mistakes that even the casual fan picks up on and tunes out and/or stops attending events, then there's a problem.

Just because someone's not involved in the decision-making does not mean they don't have a right to criticize and that many of them aren't warranted. You bring up valid points though, just my two cents.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
    Originally posted by mercer
    I guess we find out on Thursday why, but Taker said he had no other choice.
    This was the weirdest show I can remember.


Maybe Heyman abducted SARA also! Boy, I hope SHE comes back now! Cough.


And I agree with the person above who said more people from the past should have been involved with that Bearer thing. I already mentioned it in another post so I won't repeat it verbatim...but really...doesn't it seem like Kane should have been involved with the storyline that kills his freakin' "dad?" I know he's busy on Raw, but, you know, a murder is a special occasion and stuff.




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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Folks, if it's any consolation...there IS a RAW PPV in two weeks. We'll see (probably) the long-awaited Triple H/Chris Benoit match...for the World Title that actually means something. Plus, Edge/Orton! Plus, Eugene!

Here's the thing: You're only as good as the folks you're surrounded by. Or, in wrestling terms, you're only as good as who you've beaten. Chris Benoit beat Triple H. Triple H beat Goldberg. Goldberg beat Brock. Brock beat Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle (and everyone else) beat Bradshaw. And now, Bradshaw beat Eddie Guerrero. So, Benoit > Guerrero and hence, RAW > Smackdown.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    You have to admit that the whole Paul Bearer kidnapping/murder, the power of the urn, etctera is incredibly silly and just doesn't work anymore. People rag on the Kenzo Suzuki character, but I'm willing to concede that maybe it's just them trying to see if that old-school heel character will work. It's not and it probably won't, so they'll trash it in a month and that's fine. But when you make repeated mistakes that even the casual fan picks up on and tunes out and/or stops attending events, then there's a problem.

    Just because someone's not involved in the decision-making does not mean they don't have a right to criticize and that many of them aren't warranted. You bring up valid points though, just my two cents.


I'm not taking away anyone's right to criticize. Just pointing out that the time for criticizing Smackdown's poor quality has long passed. The show hasn't gotten that much worse over the past 6 months - so why complain now, if you're still watching. I mean, WHY are you still watching? But to each his own, I just don't see a difference between Smackdown tonight and Smackdown 6 months ago when Hardcore Holly was main eventing a PPV.

And yes, I admit the Paul Bearer angle and all that is associated with the GAB is awful. It's plain to see, and it didn't take watching GAB to realize this. I won't watch until I see an improvement or someone/something that intrigues me. Either way, the WWE's storylines aren't going to stop the masses from watching. We've seen some pretty crappy stuff over the past 5 years (hell, even during 1998), and yet life goes on as normal.

Did anyone actually expect the GAB to be the PPV of the year? Or something they'd be happy to have spent 3 hours watching?? This is my point. Nothing about Smackdown is crappier now than it was a long time ago. So complaining about the storylines now is pretty hypocritical if you're still watching.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.57
Well no, nobody expected Great American Bash to be a great pay-per-view, so I see your point there. However, even I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was...in particular the Bearer/Undertaker angle. I mean I hate to beat a dead horse with this topic, but when you put that in as the main event (and trying to sell it as the main draw within the past week)? At least six months ago Brock Lesnar didn't put Zach Gowen in a cement tomb.

You also have to admit that the match quality has gone WAAAAAY down in the past six months.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.15
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    Well no, nobody expected Great American Bash to be a great pay-per-view, so I see your point there. However, even I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was...in particular the Bearer/Undertaker angle. I mean I hate to beat a dead horse with this topic, but when you put that in as the main event (and trying to sell it as the main draw within the past week)? At least six months ago Brock Lesnar didn't put Zach Gowen in a cement tomb.

    You also have to admit that the match quality has gone WAAAAAY down in the past six months.


Okay, I'm not changing my tune here at all. I've long been saying that I don't like the match quality on Smackdown. Or even RAW for that matter. I used to make tapes of wrestling, taping the good matches or amusing angles on TV every week. I stopped that early this year, when there was nothing worth watching again in the future.

And not to debate symantics, but I catch parts of the recap shows on weekends, and two weeks ago, I saw commercials which made it seem as if Taker/Dudleys WAS the main event. How is this that different from the Taker/Austin sacrifice angle back in 1998 or 1999? I see this angle being done with the same intent: to cause "controversy."

When watching wrestling, you have to suspend your disbelief. Otherwise, why watch it at all? The ridiculousness of Paul Bearer in cement is as dumb as believing that performing a lame boot and a leg drop is all it takes for Hogan to put away his opponents. Wrestling, by nature, is all fake and stupid. This shouldn't be new to anyone who is a fan. You have to expect crappy angles like this, if you've watched WWE for very long at all.

The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Following that, one can assume that there will be more Katie Vick, Paul Bearer in cement, etc. angles on our TV sets in the future. Don't like it? Then you'd better stop watching now. This isn't the first crappy PPV or angle that WWE has put on in the past few months.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
It is one thing to accept crap while sitting on a coach watching Smackdown and flipping back and forth while the O.C. is on. It is quite another when you are paying the equivalent price of a DVD, 12-pack and a bag of Frito's which would have been way more enjoyable. You can't do people like that. Smackdown use to be THE show to watch every week. When everyone was crying about the HHH show. There was always SD! to entertain. I know shit happens, Brock quits, Benoit defects, Angle shelved. I can actually pin point the moment everyone started hating Smackdown. It was when Heyman "supposedly" was sacked as a writer. I am not saying we should give up watching SD. As I said before there are so interested story lines that can take shape. Just I wouldn't pay for it.




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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
"It is quite another when you are paying the equivalent price of a DVD, 12-pack and a bag of Frito's which would have been way more enjoyable."

This is why they *announce the card ahead of time*. If it looks like it's going to suck-and there was NOTHING here that had any potential-then you shouldn't buy it. That's like paying someone to kick you in the nuts and then complaining about it.

"It was when Heyman "supposedly" was sacked as a writer. I am not saying we should give up watching SD."

Dude, Heyman writing the show would do *nothing* for it right now. His brilliant plans consisted of putting out great wrestlers and having them wrestle each other again and again and again. Oh, and pushing The Big Show. And seeing as how SmackDown hasn't got any great midcard wrestlers outside of the cruisers-a division which Heyman didn't seem to care for-I doubt going back to that style would work.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
This move is strange because there is really nothing to compare it too. Vince has always been pretty good about protecting his main title. He smartened up and didn't give it to Mable. Sid and Nash were probably comparable to JBL workrate wise during their reigns, but both had been built longer and had more heat/credibility. Bradshaw is a better worker than Yokozuna, but Yoko's reign wasn't about workrate as much as it was about girth. The only champion I can recall that came out of nowhere to hold the title would be Srgt. Slaughter and that was to syphon off the war heat. This is fairly new ground for Vince as far as I can tell. It looks like it's going to be a tough sell and a hard spin.


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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    And seeing as how SmackDown hasn't got any great midcard wrestlers outside of the cruisers-a division which Heyman didn't seem to care for-


Heyman helped introduce Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Misterio Jr., Psicosis and Juventud Guerrera in the U.S., and used guys like Tajiri, Super Crazy, Guido and Lynn very liberally in ECW. He also always jumped at the chance to bring in a guests like the Michinoku Pro guys.

Heyman is probably a fan of the style and the division, but he also did have to answer to people. Using guys that would have been used anyway (the Smackdown Six) was fine. Pushing guys they had no intention to use at all wasn't going to happen whether he was writing the show or not.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Dude, Heyman writing the show would do *nothing* for it right now. His brilliant plans consisted of putting out great wrestlers and having them wrestle each other again and again and again. Oh, and pushing The Big Show. And seeing as how SmackDown hasn't got any great midcard wrestlers outside of the cruisers-a division which Heyman didn't seem to care for-I doubt going back to that style would work.


1. Big show was great during that run...he really started to come alive as a character and it was the most motivated I had seen him in years. He will never be great, but Heyman was VERY good at hiding Shows' weaknesses and turning him into a credible monster heel.

2. Heyman likes the cruisers (he was the one who got Spike and Little Guido a job in WWE) and he also introduced the world to the Japanese cruisers and Mexican cruisers as someone already stated. However, when your bosses (Jim Ross, Steph and Vinny Mac) tell you do something, you have to do it. I mean OSH, you are saying that if you wanted to do something one way, but your bosses like doing it another (and remember they are absolute stubborn assholes) that you would continue to do it your way? That is the reason that no talent buh gawd hosses (Matt Morgan, Bradshaw, Nathan Jones, etc.) got pushes over much more talented cruisers or "not WWE guys" (Spanky, London, Noble, RVD, Booker). Overall, I can't really blame Heyman for trying to keep himself sheltered, fed and clothed!





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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Bradshaw as WWE Champion?

Ha! Just in case you thought it couldn't get any worse, Vince says “I'll show you!” and gives the belt to Bradshaw. Well-- he actually made it worse. I think someone probably owes him $5 or something.

I actually didn't watch SmackDown when it was good, because I'm invariably working on Thursday. I'm certainly not watching it now. So JBL as champion? Can't say it'll have any effect on my viewing habits-- zero minus 100% is still zero.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.71
You have to admit that the whole Paul Bearer kidnapping/murder, the power of the urn, etctera is incredibly silly and just doesn't work anymore.

*bashes head into a wall...

Key word: anymore. It doesn't work because you've grown.

Kids watching last night didn't worry about how Undertaker and Paul Bearer were reunited, they didn't worry about the legality of the issue of murder, but they DID worry about Paul Bearer. They probably were never as shocked watching WWE TV as they were when Taker turned on his 'conscience'. SmackDown is aimed at children and families watching with their kids as I seem to say in EVERY SmackDown bashing thread, but it just doesn't seem to get through. Am I assuming this? NOT EVEN! Vince has said before that he sees the Raw and SmackDown audience as two different demographics. He aims at us with Raw, and families with SmackDown, if you don't see that by the way the programme is written you're blind. While this stuff doesn't work 'anymore' for you, it works for others. Others who don't even acknowledge or know of an 'IWC', others who eat up everything WWE feeds them, just as you probably did all those years ago.

And don't tell me that the cartoon wrestling image was merely accepted when you watched, those who wanted a more legit wrestling experience watched NWA. Way back when, NWA was the equivalent of Raw is today, while WWF was SmackDown. The reason it doesn't 'work anymore' is because now you are an NWA fan while then you were a WWF fan, where they gave you this 'crap' and you loved every minute of it.

JESUS!

Chill has the perfect attitude. He doesn't like it, he doesn't watch it. SmackDown isn't that bad for what it's trying too achieve, and trying to win you over as a viewer isn't high on its list of priorities.

Anyway, sorry about the digression. Here's my thoughts on the show, as usual ripped from my news report, not as a cheap plug (I'm not even gonna link you up to it, find it yourself if you want), but because I'm not bother paraphrasing the same opinion:

John Cena defeated Booker-T, Rene Dupree and Rob van Dam to retain the WWE United States Championship
Ehhh, it was okay. I enjoyed the multitude of stories it told. From the four corners-esque start to the match (with the objective being beat your opponent into the ring rather than tag him), to the heel double-team to the Cena/Booker showdown, the match segued flawlessly into different stories with each elimination. Overall a **1/4 affair and easily a much better way to kick the night off than just throwing two random cruisers out. Good job WWE.

Luther Reigns defeated Charlie Haas via pinfall
THIS is the way to show off Luther. Instead of throwing some random jobber at his feet, WWE gave him a recognisable and credible face that’s talented enough to make the fans care about an inevitable squash match. But then again, it wasn’t a squash match as such, which is a good thing because there’s only so much squashes can do for a new character. Haas played his part to perfection, sold well and in general gave his finest fully-fledged babyface performance since Benjamin left. I actually care about his character and where he’s going with Jackie Gayda after this. Time for WWE to capitalise on it methinks. Luther was similarly impressive, continuing to defy anyone who cringes when they are reminded that he’s Horshu from OVW, master of many a horrible match down in Louisville. His presence is what interests me the most. He’s not quite a big man like a Brock Lesnar, an Undertaker or a Kane, but an imposing, BAD presence, like a Rhyno. He wasn’t noticeably bigger than Haas, but his psycho, killer look makes him a man you just KNOW not to fuck around with, which is fine if WWE can roll with it. So far, so good. I’ll give it *1/2 as while it was better than your typical jobber match, it’s still hardly something we’ll remember months (or even days…minutes) down the line.

Rey Mysterio defeated Chavo Guerrero Jr. via pinfall to retain the WWE Cruiserweight Championship
This was a great match, even if it was incredibly tough to call on play-by-play. Where their No Way Out match was slow and plodding, this was methodical and both men made great use of psychology to restore any credibility to the division anyone may think it lost. Mysterio’s selling of the knee injury was dead on as usual, Chavo played the slimy heel role to great effect, they managed to even make rest holds interesting but still make fans crave the high spots and managed to get the deadbeat crowd going at times. Easily takes the match of the nigh honours. ***3/4.

Kenzo Suzuki defeated Billy Gunn via pinfall
Sable defeated Torrie Wilson via pinfall
Mordecai defeated Hardcore Holly via pinfall

Yeah I didn’t bother either recapping or even watching the next three matches. Go somewhere else for your star ratings and whatnot.

John ‘Bradshaw’ Layfield defeated Eddie Guerrero in the Texas Bullrope Match to win the WWE Championship
This match is the reason I had so much fun doing play-by-play in the chat room. Relating the story of JBL’s first title reign to the chatters not fortunate enough to be watching made me feel like a cheap version of a wrestler telling my own story. The match itself was very solid. While their Judgment Day match was the story of hatred and brutality, this told the tale of the need and desire to win the WWE Title, although there was a fair amount of brutality involved that said. Plenty of nifty spots to enjoy: Eddie reversing the Judgment Day chairshot, Eddie using the rope to pull JBL into the ringpost shoulder-first, JBL wrapping the rope around Eddie’s neck and launching him from the second rope onto the announce table, the preceding powerbomb that finally broke the table. Even the stipulation offered up a new dynamic. By now we’re all pretty much trained to know when a pinfall is going to result in a three count, so no longer do we shit our pants after someone hits a shoulder block or the like and makes the cover. Here however, the ending could have happened at any moment, and the fans knew so, so for the first time in God knows how long we were left wondering every time a result was threatened whether THIS would be the end. Brilliant. Admittedly the pseudo-screwjob left a tad to be desired (flashbacks to the Big Show/Rock clusterfuck over who’d main event WrestleMania 2000 came to mind), but all in all, I found it an exciting and worthwhile affair. ***

The Undertaker defeated The Dudleyz via pinfall
Well that was a mess. From having Taker fight out of a REAR CHIN LOCK with five minutes left in the PPV to go; to the Dudleyz deciding that they would go into SmackDown-filler mode rather than PPV main event mode, and Taker following them; to Paul Bearer’s homosexual overtones as he cried for Taker to save him, about the only good things about this flick was the eerie Undertaker ‘Rest…in…peace’ as he condemned Paul Bearer, and Paul Heyman’s conviction in getting the match over. Overall a terrible end to an average at best PPV, *.

My Two Cents:
This will no doubt go down in IWC history as one of the worst WWE PPVs ever, unfairly so.

For me, you had two *** at least affairs, a new champion, the last appearance of an old great and a bunch of squash matches. Seems like a pretty routine brand exclusive PPV to me. Who CARES that the title match was good?! JBL WON and that just makes the show SUCK SO MUCH BALLS. Yeah whatever netboys, whatever indeed.

The PPV was average. I don’t blame anyone for not buying it, but having bought it I don’t feel as if my money was wasted. After all, I DID get WrestleMania XX for free, and soon SummerSlam and Survivor Series will follow that up, so I can live with putting some money in WWE’s pockets that maybe the actual product I’m PAYING for didn’t merit, but I think I’m getting a pretty sound deal as it is. If I’m from the States, chances are the $34.95 is staying in my pocket unless I can REALLY afford it, or I’m forking out for the webcast offering a bunch of freebies even surpassing the show itself, but I’m not so don’t regret the meagre E10 I had to pay for the show.

I’m not going to go crazy on all of you ala Judgment Day. This wasn’t as good as Judgment Day. Or Backlash. Or Bad Blood. Was it the worst PPV of the year? Hmm, that’s debatable as No Way Out was pretty devoid of incidence until the main event. Was it the worst PPV I’ve ever seen? Hell no. It was an okay show. If you watched it and can live with the fact that Eddie Guerrero’s title reign wasn’t going to last forever, if you can adopt a ‘wait and see’ attitude before slamming JBL as WWE Champion, then yeah, you got an average show for your buck. It had its peaks and its troughs. It wasn’t WrestleMania XX, but it didn’t set out to be. It was what it was, nothing spectacular, but nothing morbidly bad either.


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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
WWE's main demographic is not kids anymore, hasn't been for over a decade, it's males 18-30.

The Undertaker shit doesn't work because it's poorly done, not because it's goofy. Back in the day, WWF was its own little fantasy world where anything could happen. Now it's a blend of reality and work and MURDERING A MAN ON LIVE PPV DOESN'T WORK!

Bradshaw has soiled the WWE Championship. Of all the people, Bradshaw? BRADSHAW? If some newspaper columnist really wanted to hammer Bradshaw hard they'd throw some money at Billy Silverman and Brian Christopher (among others) to talk publicly about the new WWE Champion's behaviour.

The PPV was terribly dull. Rey/Chavo was the best match but Rey kinda flaked out on selling the knee towards the end. The Bullrope match was decent but that finish has been done in a zillion strap/rope matches. The Fourway was alright but nothing special.

The rest of the show was like Velocity central, well not even Velocity because Velocity has Paul London. They should have put that Jamie Noble/Spike Dudley match on the PPV instead of one of those shitty Luther/Haas, Holly/Mordecai, Gunn/Suzuki, Sable/Torrie matches.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Kids watching last night didn't worry about how Undertaker and Paul Bearer were reunited, they didn't worry about the legality of the issue of murder, but they DID worry about Paul Bearer. They probably were never as shocked watching WWE TV as they were when Taker turned on his 'conscience'. SmackDown is aimed at children and families watching with their kids as I seem to say in EVERY SmackDown bashing thread, but it just doesn't seem to get through. Am I assuming this? NOT EVEN! Vince has said before that he sees the Raw and SmackDown audience as two different demographics. He aims at us with Raw, and families with SmackDown, if you don't see that by the way the programme is written you're blind. While this stuff doesn't work 'anymore' for you, it works for others. Others who don't even acknowledge or know of an 'IWC', others who eat up everything WWE feeds them, just as you probably did all those years ago.

1) Kids worried about Paul Bearer? I don't know about that. These "kids" weren't around when Paul was last around, and most likely got their first taste of him at WMXX, so where did they build any kind of emotional attachment to him? "Never as shocked"? Ha!

2) SD aimed at children? Cena rapping about his dick. Calling his foes gay. Anything involving Torrie, Sable, Dawn, Jackie. Rico's gimmick. The hot tub stuff on the PPV. Televised homicide. That's not "kid friendly" in my book.

3) It's working? The crowd sat on it's hands for Suzuki & Mordecai, 2 of the new heels they're going to be pushing. I didn't catch Haas/Reigns, so I don't know what the crowd was like for that match, but judging by Suzuki's & Mordecai's matches, the fans aren't too receptive towards them.

I said it before in one of your "Contributors" columns - pushing big guys as "ME SMASH SMALL GUY!" doesn't work anymore. Cartoon gimmicks aren't going to draw in new, young fans. There's a reason Nathan Jones, Heidenreich, Matt Morgan didn't get over, and it's the same reason Suzuki & Mordecai won't - they're just big lunks with borderline talent.

You want to bring in young viewers - showcase a younger, faster, more athletic product. Using the cruisers correctly could bring in young viewers. They have guys like Haas & RVD who should be positioned as current & future big time players. Rey is over enough to be used outside the cruiser division. Move Jericho to SD (he desperately needs to get away from HHH). All of that would be way more effective than giving big pushes to Suzuki, Mordecai, and Reigns.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
Well, I did skip out on this one, big time. What can I say, it's so good to see WWE perform to expectations. Looking at the recaps I almost laughed. Hard to believe now that four years ago, I was into everything they did, better or worse, and now.... Wow. I could care less, though I feel for the folks who still work there (except Paul Bearer, of course).

So, my $35 went to a much more important cause; bills and more puroresu.



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