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#1 Posted on
I think it's a reasonable possibility... This is pure speculation, but bear with me, here's how I imagine it playing out (in the OO Raw Satire style):

HHH: OK, let me get this straight, I'm jobbing the title to Booker at WM.
Tommy: That's right, Hunter.
HHH: All right, I can understand that, babyfaces traditionally win at WM... There's no way we could do a double-turn is there? Maybe Flair could hook up with Booker behind my back and betray me, like Paul Heyman's always doing...
TD: Um... No.
HHH: No, I guess that's been a little over-used lately. Oh well, I'll just get it back at Backlash...
TD: Maybe we should cross that bridge when we come to it. I think I see your character evolving to being above titles, like the Rock or Austin.
HHH: That sounds pretty good. So you're building up Booker T as a monster if he's going to beat me, right?
TD: Well, actually we're portraying him more as a scrappy underdog...
HHH: But he's got that big main event with the Rock tonight. He's going over clean, right? The Rock will job to anybody...
TD: Actually we were planning to have Austin come out and distract the Rock so that Booker can get a cheap roll-up to build up the Rock/Austin feud...
HHH: Let me get this straight, last week I distracted Steiner, which allowed Booker to get a cheap roll-up victory. I can get behind that because my character is supposed to not respect Booker, and I was trying to make him look bad. This week, Austin comes out and distracts Booker's opponent for the win, in a match that has nothing to do with the feud he's in--you remember, his fued with me? Presumably this happens every week and we basically treat Booker as enhancement talent leading up to WM, and then I get to job clean to him. Maybe that's casting him a little too much as the underdog?
TD: Well, the match was announced last week and we've been promoting it heavily....
HHH: Since when do we carry storylines over from week to week? Just have the Rock beg off and act scared of Booker. He could ask to fight a midget instead. Like that little green freak he's been working with lately. That makes Booker look good and makes the Rock look bad--sounds like a plan to me!
TD: The apocalypse is nigh...
HHH: What?
TD: I just can't believe I actually agree with you. I'll talk to the rest of the writers about it, but I think I can get you what you want.
HHH: Well, it's about time. I was beginning to think I'd lost my "stroke" around here. But if I can't make Booker look bad anymore, I want someone to make look bad tonight.
TD: Oh, sure, you can have Maven. Why not?

Just my little homage to the weekly Dreamer/HHH interactions in the OO Raw Satire... But seriously, I think that (minus the jokes) the above may very well be very close to the real reason the Booker/Rock match was scrapped at the last minute. And, presuming he really is jobbing at WM, who has more reason to be concerned that Booker looks strong than HHH?

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#2 Posted on
Well, thanks for the plug!

Anyway, I don't know if it's HHH that did it, or if it was just the writers realizing that while a Booker/Rock match to headline Raw looks tremendous on paper, it won't really do anything for their storylines. Rock gets a boost from loosing via Austinference, I guess, but then again he really hasn't given any indication of any beef with Booker, which is part of the reason his loss to Hurricane means so much.

So, I'm going to give credit to the Raw writing staff on this one and hope they start making even MORE sense in the future.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    I'm going to give credit to the Raw writing staff on this one and hope they start making even MORE sense in the future.


We're off to a good start, anyway. RAW has been downright watchable for three weeks now, and the storylines are actually compelling.



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#4 Posted on
As much as I enjoyed Rock/Hurricane, I would have liked to have seen Booker/Rock more. I think it has to do with the fact that they hyped Rock/Booker for the past week (even mentioning it on commercials for Raw), so it seemed wrong that they did yet another bait and switch. Well, I guess I should be used to those. I was looking forward to a great match between those two, with maybe a Rock/Hurricane match next week or the week after. Might as well get as much out of Rock while he is around. Unless they are going to save Booker/Rock for a PPV (Backlash, perhaps?). But I'm guessing that if Booker takes the title at Wrestlemania then HHH gets a rematch at the next PPV.

Or maybe scrapping the Booker/Rock match wasn't the idea of the writers at all. I thought I read something about Booker being off house shows this past weekend. Maybe he has some minor injury that they want him to heal up before the big match at 'Mania. That would explain why he had no match at all, and "left" after his beatdown on Flair and HHH.



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#5 Posted on
Yeah Rock/Booker might have been cool, but imagine a Rock/Booker match with the same ending as Rock/Hurricane -- a Roll-up while the Rock is distracted by Austin. What was great for the Rock/Austin feud and a heat builder for a low mid-carder like Hurricane, would have been a heat killer for #1 contender Booker T. And if HHH really is jobbing at WM, treating the guy that finally ends his dominant reign on Raw like enhancement talent leading up to this makes him look bad too. Which is why I made the (partly tongue-in-cheek, but really quite possible) speculation that HHH was the one that said "Hey, why are we booking Booker T this way right now? Wouldn't someone who doesn't have pressing, unrelated business, like Hurricane be better in this role?"

But whether it really was HHH, or Booker T, or Tommy (in his new role as voice of the wrestlers in the Raw writing team) or Gewirtz that decided to reconsider the booking plans, I think they made the right decision. OTOH, maybe your right, maybe no-one decided the match was a mistake, maybe Booker has a minor injury to rehab.

Oh, and Excalibur05 (if that is your real name) you're welcome. Tommy Dreamer is definitely my favorite character in your Raw Satires. And, obviously, I liked the line, "Since when do we carry over storylines from week to week?" well enough to steal it outright.

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#6 Posted on
According to The Torch, The Rock had the match scrapped. He didn't mind jobbing to Hurricane because it was clearly a fluke loss, but he apparently had a problem losing to Booker T.
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by smarkymcsmart
    According to The Torch, The Rock had the match scrapped. He didn't mind jobbing to Hurricane because it was clearly a fluke loss, but he apparently had a problem losing to Booker T.


You didn't get the WHOLE story! The reason Rocky had the match scrapped is because he KNEW Hunter would bury Booker at Wrestlemania and come out looking better than both him and Rocky in the process. Rocky's NOT cool with Triple HGH's political games and he knows what's up, because Rocky's awesome and he's not some lowly midcarder who has to take Hunter's crap. In fact, Rocky makes a good point.

What point is there to Rocky putting over someone cleanly if Hunter can then squash that guy the next week, thus burying both Rocky and the guy Rocky put over in the process?




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#8 Posted on
I guess Rock saw the RAW after SummerSlam where HHH treated Lesnar like nothing then they had Brock run to Smackdown because he was afraid of HHH and they killed the Undisputed Title.

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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by It's False

    You didn't get the WHOLE story!


Actually, you didn't. Go with the Torch's actual story, not 411's bastardized version of it.

The Torch mentioned the supposed HHH reason, but quite clearly pointed out that it has no basis in truth. The Rock gets out of doing a job, not because he doesn't want to lose, but because he's concerned that the person he's losing to MIGHT lose to someone else later on? As the Torch said, if the Rock even cared about such a thing, nobody would believe it anyway.

Rock got out of losing to Booker, that's the story.

(edited by smarkymcsmart on 12.3.03 2125)
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by It's False

      Originally posted by smarkymcsmart
      According to The Torch, The Rock had the match scrapped. He didn't mind jobbing to Hurricane because it was clearly a fluke loss, but he apparently had a problem losing to Booker T.


    You didn't get the WHOLE story! The reason Rocky had the match scrapped is because he KNEW Hunter would bury Booker at Wrestlemania and come out looking better than both him and Rocky in the process. Rocky's NOT cool with Triple HGH's political games and he knows what's up, because Rocky's awesome and he's not some lowly midcarder who has to take Hunter's crap. In fact, Rocky makes a good point.

    What point is there to Rocky putting over someone cleanly if Hunter can then squash that guy the next week, thus burying both Rocky and the guy Rocky put over in the process?



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Okay... so Rocky didn't want to job becasue he felt that nothing would be gained from the match. I say good for him for standing up to the writers! I think his reasons, as reported, are sound.

The writers have been destroying wrestling, and the locker room needs to get together and take more of their lives back. When you're not allowed (for the most part) to have creative input into your character, that's destroying the worker's art.

I remember while training in the Dungeon and my collegues were discussing possible gimmicks and names for me. I was silently outraged as I felt they were taking control of me and destroying my oportunity to bring something of MYSELF to the table. I'm not saying I wanted to win or even main event or anything big. I just wanted a chance to have a character of my own and at least some control over my actions in the ring. They can still tell me who I win and who I lose against, but I'd like it to make SENSE!

(edit) And to you who wrote below...

Yes, HHH is a bastard to the business for his politics because he won't include anyone else in it. He'll tell Matt off for voicing his opinion! Until The Rock does that, I'll stick by him, 'cause from where I stand, he's done almost nothing but HELP the business!

The Rock is standing up not only for himself, but for pretty well everyone involved. I swear, if anyone's gonna do it, he's the one who's gonna bring in a UNION to wrestling. And seriously... there's nothing better that the workers could use right now...

(edited by Ender on 13.3.03 0018)


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#12 Posted on
If HHH refuses to lose a match to a superstar trying to rise to the main event level because he worries about his own reputation, he's an egotistical asshole destroying the business for his own vanity.

If the Rock refuses to lose a match to a superstar trying to rise to the main event level because he worries about his own reputation, GOOD FOR HIM! Standing up to the writing staff is what needs to be done around here!

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#13 Posted on
Ok, first thing first. Who do I believe, the Torch or 411? I viist both sites while 411 tends to cut and past articles, I see their side a bit better. Torch may have gotten the first part of the story right, but there is no real reasoning behind why Rock would do such a thing. There has to be a reason behind.

Now, to the reasoning behind this if 411's report is true. Is Rock justified to do such a thing and be praised for it while HHH does the same things and gets crapped on for it? I have to say I'd praise Rock. Rock's reasoning behind is sound and elevuated the locker room. Rock dodging from Booker makes him look like more of a threat. Giving Hurricane the fluke win is better for Hurricane heading to Wrestlemania then Booker. Booker needs some established wins plus he got a fluke win against Steiner last week and two roll-up pins in a row is not a good way to establish a guy going into Wrestlemania. In the end, it makes Hurricane look better as a wrestler and Booker look better as a legit threat to HHH's title of Rock is scared of fighting Booker.

Rock is a bit selfish though if he think his character will look weaker if he jobs to Booker and then Booker jobs to Hunter. It does weaken Rock's heel character, but his heel character should be a weaker version than face Rock. Rock should have jobbed to Booker, but I can understand why he didn't want to job to Booker that way. Rock should be pinned 1-2-3 flat on his back to Booker instead of fluke win scenrio. Rock did what he thought was best for Booker, Hurricane and Austin by incorporating Hurricane into his fued with Ausitn and allowing Booker the chance to face off against HHH and Flair. He helped Austin out by allowing Austin to the key factor in his defeat and still showing that Rock is afraid of Steve.

When HHH pulls out the no job policy isn't in anyone's best interest. He is not going out to job to a mid-cardder like Maven instead of Kane or RVD. He puts himself over Kane, RVD, HBK and any other main eventer that stands in his way. HHH does this to protect his spot in the company rather than help people out in the company. The problem is that HHH has no jobbed to anyone in one-on-one encounter since his casket match with Kane. He is not helping anyone expect himself. He is the reason that Rock is refusing to put Booker over, because Rock knows Hunter isn't going to drop that belt until Steph drops him. And if calls Hunter on it, then I say more power to him. Rock is the only guy right now who can call HHH on this and I'm glad he is doing it. I thought he may just be silent about this stuff, but if he is there till Backlash then I think we actually have some really great shows for awhile.

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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Ok, first thing first. Who do I believe, the Torch or 411?


There isn't an "or". 411 is cribbing the Torch's story, even giving them credit and all of that. The difference is that while the Torch reported the rumor that The Rock didn't want to lose to Booker T because of the scenerio where it *might* benefit HHH later, they made it clear that the story strained credibility. Keller openly doubted that it was true, called the story "suspicious", and said he only brought it up because it was a rumor being spread.

411's version of the Torch's report barely mentions any of that, and the result is posts like the one above proclaiming how Rock is standing up to HHH's political games. The Torch said no such thing. 411's version also included a line about how The Rock feels that WWE isn't fully behind pushing Booker, which the Torch also never said.

What the Torch *did* say was that, for some reason, The Rock scrapped his match with Booker T, and the most logical reason why seems to be because he thought that losing cleanly to Booker would make him look weaker than taking a fluke loss to Hurricane.
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by It's False

      Originally posted by smarkymcsmart
      According to The Torch, The Rock had the match scrapped. He didn't mind jobbing to Hurricane because it was clearly a fluke loss, but he apparently had a problem losing to Booker T.


    You didn't get the WHOLE story! The reason Rocky had the match scrapped is because he KNEW Hunter would bury Booker at Wrestlemania and come out looking better than both him and Rocky in the process. Rocky's NOT cool with Triple HGH's political games and he knows what's up, because Rocky's awesome and he's not some lowly midcarder who has to take Hunter's crap.



Ya know I think I'm finally getting the hang of this. Let me see,

Right. We've got Triple H right, and he won't job for no man. And when he refuses to job its cos hes a dirty, no good, scheming politician who deserves to be consumed by the flames of hell.

And theres Rocky too. And like he'll job sometimes, but only when he says. And when he won't job its cos he's the coolest person alive, 'the man' if you will. And not only that when he doesn't job it's really because he's standing up to that HHH (whos EEEVILLL remember) which makes him all the cooler.

And we know this is true cos it said so on the internet on a website that got the story from another website, twisted it round a bit, ignored the bit in the original story that said the rumours were at best highly suspicious and at worst just lies, and stated it as fact while crediting the original source who's opinions they overlooked.

Phew. I knew I'd get there in the end. Now if I could just think up an hilarious nickname for HHH I could be soooo cool.



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#16 Posted on
I think it's just a matter of The Rock having more credibility at this point, since he's always seemed willing to put people over in the past. Don't forget, there was a time when Hunter jobbed and made people look good and we all loved him for it. It was only when the IWC perceived him abusing his power that they turned on him. The Rock, if he is abusing his power, has not yet reached that point. It will be interesting to see what happens with him over the time he's in the WWE...
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#17 Posted on
Yep, Rock didn't want to job to Booker because he felt it would somehow make Booker look bad and, by some strange stretch of logic, because HHH is the devil.

Austin walked out because he didn't want to job to Brock Lesnar because he felt the job should be saved for a larger stage.

Shawn Michaels had to surrender the WWF title before Wrestlemania XIII because he lost his smile.

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#18 Posted on
The last couple fo posters seemed to be saying that its hypocritical that we praise the Rock for this, but we would have damned HHH for the same thing. I feel the need to point out that I started the thread guessing that maybe HHH was the one to put the kibosh on the bad idea that was Rock/Booker, and I did praise him for it. (In a bit of a backhanded way, but I was kidding about that part.) What is good for a Hurricane is not necassarily good for a Booker. You may say that the reason for this had nothing to do with preserving Booker's heat, and everything to do with preserving Rocky's. I don't know about that, I'm just glad it didn't happen.

The only thing that could have improved this by me, is if Booker had gotten a replacement match. Why can't the Book squash a jobber too? Unfortunately, the obvious candidates (Orton and Batista) are out. Maybe some little heel should try to ingratiate himself to the champ by agreeing with the crap he's been saying about the Book, and the Book can take out some of his frustrations on him. Well, maybe next week.

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#19 Posted on
Hey, as long as this ends with Booker going over HHH at WrestleMania, I don't care HOW we get there....



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    Hey, as long as this ends with Booker going over HHH at WrestleMania, I don't care HOW we get there....


Of course, therein lies the rub...WILL Booker beat Triple H at WrestleMania? I'll believe it when I see it.

The way I see it, Triple H doesn't care who he screws over with his political games, so people might as well fight fire with fire.

Hopefully the fact that both Austin AND Rocky were put on Raw was Vince's message to Triple H: You had your chance to carry this brand, you failed, now I'm putting both of these guys on your show to rebuild what you screwed up. As long as Austin and Rock are on Raw, Triple H is #3 in the fans' eyes; Austin and Rock are both ABOVE that worthless piece of tin that Triple H carries around.

Of course, odds are that we'll see Triple H vs. Hurricane Helms on Raw this Monday night, and if that's the case, I expect Hurricane to get about the same amount of offense in that Maven got this past Monday.

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