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WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney experienced an irregular heartbeat Monday and will be evaluated at George Washington University Hospital.

The condition was detected when Cheney was seen by doctors for a lingering cough from a cold.

"During examination he was incidentally found to have an irregular heartbeat, which on further testing was determined to be atrial fibrillation, an abnormal rhythm involving the upper chambers of the heart," said spokeswoman Megan Mitchell.

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Just out of curiosity, who becomes VP if the current VP dies? And please don't read that as me hoping Cheney dies, it's just that this news story just sorta made me curious.



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Wikipedia says:


    Section 2 of the 25th Amendment provides that "Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." Gerald Ford was the first Vice President selected by this method, after the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew in 1973; after succeeding to the Presidency, Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller as vice president.




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Popular opinion is that the vice president resigning or dying helps the party that controls the White House, as the President can appoint the candidate he feels has the best chance to win the next election. But that didn't help Gerald Ford win election in 1976, so who knows?
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Popular opinion is that the vice president resigning or dying helps the party that controls the White House, as the President can appoint the candidate he feels has the best chance to win the next election. But that didn't help Gerald Ford win election in 1976, so who knows?


Two things hurt Gerald Ford. His pardon of Nixon, even though it was the right thing to do. And what Nixon, the war, and Republicans stood for. And he still didn't do badly.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Popular opinion is that the vice president resigning or dying helps the party that controls the White House, as the President can appoint the candidate he feels has the best chance to win the next election. But that didn't help Gerald Ford win election in 1976, so who knows?


    Two things hurt Gerald Ford. His pardon of Nixon, even though it was the right thing to do. And what Nixon, the war, and Republicans stood for. And he still didn't do badly.






I think he could have overcome everything else until the error on Poland being under Soviet control in the debate. That, coupled with everything else, cost him an extremely close election.
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Popular opinion is that the vice president resigning or dying helps the party that controls the White House, as the President can appoint the candidate he feels has the best chance to win the next election. But that didn't help Gerald Ford win election in 1976, so who knows?


    Two things hurt Gerald Ford. His pardon of Nixon, even though it was the right thing to do. And what Nixon, the war, and Republicans stood for. And he still didn't do badly.


Why was pardoning Nixon the right thing to do? Watergate already proved that politicians (even the president) were committing crimes, and the pardon just reinforced the fact that they saw themselves as not having to answer to the same laws as everyone else.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Why was pardoning Nixon the right thing to do?


Ford doesn't pardon Nixon, this country goes through impeachment hearings. LONG, drawn-out, every-detail-of-Nixon's-shenanigans-put-on-front-street impeachment hearings. Gerald figured we as a nation didn't need that.



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But why is that necessarily a bad thing? Guy committed a crime, he should be tried for it. I don't buy the excuse that "America doesn't need to see that." Why not? Are all the Americans who voted for Nixon going to cry themselves to sleep because they voted for a loser?Wouldn't it better help the 'need' of the nation to see that not even the president is above the law?
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    But why is that necessarily a bad thing? Guy committed a crime, he should be tried for it. I don't buy the excuse that "America doesn't need to see that." Why not? Are all the Americans who voted for Nixon going to cry themselves to sleep because they voted for a loser?Wouldn't it better help the 'need' of the nation to see that not even the president is above the law?


First. he wouldn't have been impeached as he already resigned. We are not sure if he made a deal to go ahead and resign with Ford. The country thirty years ago was fractured dealing with Vietnam, huge mistrust of the military and government, etc. If you weren't around then, you really can't understand. Nixon had already weakened the presidency substantially. To play the whole sordid affair out was bad for at least two reasons. First, the presidency couldn't stand the hit. Two, we needed to move on and this waould have drug out for a long, long time and resulted in gridlock.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    If you weren't around then, you really can't understand. Nixon had already weakened the presidency substantially. To play the whole sordid affair out was bad for at least two reasons. First, the presidency couldn't stand the hit. Two, we needed to move on and this waould have drug out for a long, long time and resulted in gridlock.


Some would argue that the presidency has never fully recovered, and that our citizen's cynicism around our own political process (and for our politicians) was really ingrained in us during this period of time.

I don't know if it had as much to do with Nixon as it did with Vietnam (or if it was the "perfect storm" of both Watergate and Veitnam). The really sad part is that cynicism is all my generation (and younger) has known.






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hrm... dairy jokes, Ill have to resist. So yeah, this woman was from my native Ecuador. And like Leroy suggested- it would have been very interesting to see all the progress and change a century brings.
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