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has anyone else heard this album? it came out in 2000 and was on my shortlist for hip hop champ that year. (reflection eternal's "train of thought" won.)

for those who haven't heard of the project, it's del the funkeehomosapian dropping sci-fi narrative lyrics over dan "the automator" nakamura's MASTERFUL production. kid koala provides scratching and a bunch of hip hop luminaries make cameo appearances (ie: prince paul as MC battle promotor "vince paul mcmahon"), as does what's his name from blur.

you can hear some over at www.75ark.com



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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    has anyone else heard this album? it came out in 2000 and was on my shortlist for hip hop champ that year. (reflection eternal's "train of thought" won.)



    for those who haven't heard of the project, it's del the funkeehomosapian dropping sci-fi narrative lyrics over dan "the automator" nakamura's MASTERFUL production. kid koala provides scratching and a bunch of hip hop luminaries make cameo appearances (ie: prince paul as MC battle promotor "vince paul mcmahon"), as does what's his name from blur.



    you can hear some over at www.75ark.com

To completely ignore your question ;-) yet stay related....my coworkers REALLY got on my case for not going to see Lovage when they hit San Francisco. I haven't lost *that* much sleep over it, though. A few people who make such distinctions thought Lovage smoked Deltron, but I don't know if that's just genre bias (disclaimer: I haven't yet heard the Lovage disc, so it may be a lot closer to hip hop than I'm recalling, in which case I really have no idea why my friends like it better than 3030)

(EDIT) I should add that I don't think they're going to let me miss Gorillaz....or try, anyway. If I can blow off Dr Alex Paterson at the Warfield, I can probably miss ANY concert.

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Mastermind is a pretty cool track. We used to play that one often in college, and it's one of the few I didn't grow tired of after just a couple of spins.




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If I can blow off Dr Alex Paterson at the Warfield, I can probably miss ANY concert.
That's about the last show I would expect you to miss.

Of course, the LAST show I would expect you to miss would be a James Brown / The Time / Prince triple header show.

That, or a Kraftwerk / Orbital / Orb show.
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I only heard some of the Deltron cd, but didn't think too much of it. Del's last LP ("Both Sides of the Brain" or something like that) was much better.



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who are lovage and why are they being compared to deltron?

a lot of the personnel are the same with deltron 3030 as with gorillaz, but they're coming from two very different places. the projects aren't really comparable.

for me, the distinction between 3030 and del's "both sides of the brain" is with the lyrics and production. automator's just on another level musically and del had to stick with one concept for the entire album, where he was free to be his eclectic self with "both sides" (where he did most of the beats himself) and get into a bunch of different topics. so, i put the two records on the same level, just one has better music and one has better lyrics. (i even have the instrumental version of 3030.)

on 'tron, 3030, turbulence, madness, masterminds and memory loss are my cuts. kid koala sampling del from "no need for alarm", the album where he broke out from under ice cube and was dropped from the label for, on "memory loss" was fucking great. i love the scratch sounds on "masterminds" - i think he used one of those compact disc set ups.

on both sides, damn, there's just too many. the cut with el-p's masterful and "press rewind" is a god damn anthem. i have no idea why "catch all this" wasn't a cross over - all the non-rap-listening-to kids i played it for, the ones who are now bumping the gorillaz daily, loved it.



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I just feel like Automator mailed in the beats on 3030. Then again, I was never much a fan of his to begin with. My favorit thing he did was the all Brownsplotation movie music thing he did. Did his Spaghettie (spelled wrong, I know) Western music thing ever come out?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
    Originally posted by CRZ
      my coworkers REALLY got on my case for not going to see Lovage when they hit San Francisco. I haven't lost *that* much sleep over it, though. A few people who make such distinctions thought Lovage smoked Deltron, but I don't know if that's just genre bias (disclaimer: I haven't yet heard the Lovage disc, so it may be a lot closer to hip hop than I'm recalling, in which case I really have no idea why my friends like it better than 3030)



    The Lovage album isn't very hip-hop at all, but instead exploits the more loungey end of Automator's production. It's supposed to be partially an homage to Serge Gainsbourg, but it really fails in that respect -- of course my biggest problem is the promise of Mike Patton when there is nowhere near enough of him on it. Had they switched around the volume of Jennifer Charles' presence with Patton's, THEN we might have been on to something. I know I'm biased, but everyone at work agrees with me that that's its biggest fault. Heh.

    I turned down a pair of comps to see Lovage when they were in town, and me passing on a chance to see MP (and for FREE even) is probably a worse violation than you missing out on Dr. Alex.


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that sounds interesting. i loved gainsbourg's "comic strip", so i'm sure that will have no bearing on my enjoyment of lovage. now that you mention mike patton being involved, it rings a bell. like, "mike patton (faith no more, lovage) blah blah blah".

i don't have too much of automator's other stuff. too many other albums have come out and i've never gotten around to them. i think the beats for deltron are masterful though.

one thing i really dig, in 3030, when del says something about going over to automator's, the choral part kicks in, these heavenly voices going "aaAAAaaaaa*AAAA*". i love that.

"virus" is one of the exceptionals, too. that whispering voice in the background - fucking great.



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Those like Deltron 3030 might find themselves enjoying ``So, How's Your Girl,'' A Musical Curriculum from the Handsome Boy Modelling School. It features Automator and Prince Paul, with appearances by Del, Grand Puba, DJ Shadow, and others.

In many ways it's a more solid album than Deltron 3030, but I can't bring myself to choose between them.

And if Allayall(tm) are into the hip-hop supergroup concept, check out the Quannum Collective...


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thanks for the quannum rec! i've been curious about them.

for me, "how's your girl" is spotty, but i find every compilation spotty. my favorite tracks are the (kid koala?) turntablist bit and el-p's ear crusher at the end. it's worth owning for the rampant "get a life" samples alone, though.



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thanks for the quannum rec! i've been curious about them.


Further, if'n you like the Quannum comp, maybe check out Blackalicious' A2G EP and NIA (album). They're both top notch (Alphabet Aerobics from A2G has got to be one of my favorite hiphop tracks ever).

There's also some interesting whiteboys out there, especially at the Anticon label. Check out Deep Puddle Dynamics if you're into ear blasters (three out of four MCs on `I am HipHop' absolutely crush). And Slug's Nothing But Sunshine is another favorite of mine.

And do check out Halifax heros Sixtoo and Buck 65 (together known as the Sebutones). `Centaur' may be crude, but it's a damn fine track.





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thanks for the recs!

you chould check out qwel's "if it ain't been in a pawnshop then it can't play the blues" over at www.galapagos4.com. he cracks diamonds with his flow.

i've been hating on anticon since sole had his go around with company flow a couple years back. there's a web page out there somewhere that recaps the feud. basically, sole got over sensitive and said a bunch of outlandish shit, saying el-p stole his style from people he doesn't sound like.



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That Qwel clip was sweet. I must check the local store for more.

As for Anticon, I'm sure one could find a reason to hate on any label. At least Anticon is reasonably indie. Sage Francis has some fun with Anticon in an interview at Trickology

Sage actually has an Anticon diss song up at www.non-prophets.com that's funny as hell (as long as you don't mind small-mindedness and bigotry). I dunno; Anticon haven't made a lot of friends and their stance is admittedly a little extreme, but so was KRS-one back in the day. Hell, he still is. As long as they avoid any serious hipocrisy, I could care less; I love the tracks.

hrm...speaking of Sage Francis....for a thirty-something white guy who grew up on the eastern seaboard he's got some flow.

and Josh Martinez bears a listen, although I can't tell whether I'm just biased because I knew him in highschool (I think `File Under Abstract Art' is probably his strongest).

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if you want to hear some seriously tight freestyle, check out j.u.i.c.e. he is the best mc i've EVER heard. most of his stuff is just underground 12"s though.

check out the first verse of "from the heart":

"ay, when i'm skipping over rhythm i'm always in my jurisdiction
for the wack rapper's diction that isn't fact but oral fiction
for me my main focus isn't tracks, it's oral diction
i'm known to murder rappers, i'm on it pure for my conviction
niggas ain't spitting nothing like a tek without a clip in
sipping on baileys tripping about the way i murder victims
slowly i start chopping you into pieces while you're sitting
i'll be up in niggas' bitches like a fucking obstetrician
i blitz 'em, i hits 'em, for competition i'm itching
rock the part and juice'll knock your body out position
see this is my presciption for the wack mc flipping
in the party with his faculty thinking that he be ripping
see first i approach him, fight him dirty then i trip him
when he fall then we all commence instantly to slip him
all the right jabs and left hooks and now he want to listen
but we leave him bleeding profusely like a lunge attack in prison
if you think somebody ill as j.u. ice that nigga isn't
if you think some nigga saw me on the mic that nigga didn't
all these pussy cat niggas get turned back into kittens
i'm miles apart from rappers like russia is from brittan
please, the way i crush a mic i touch it with the intention
to disable you cats and have you living off of pension
itching to cut your throat and i'm a do it with this invention
and i ain't even swung and i got these niggas flinching"

you want to just trade mix tapes? :)



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Yikes. That's freestyle?

I've actually only been listening to hiphop for a year or so now, but I've had lots of good advice. I've actually been planning a mix cd for a little while. At the least I can post the track list. You should do the same...




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like i said, he's the best freestyler i've ever heard. :) he's done a lot for the wake up show that you can probably find on morpheus and whatnot. hiphopsite.com has a burnt cd of some of his 12"s called "100% juice" and he's supposed to have a real album out this year.

that's a good site, too. their reviews always have a lot of full tracks to listen to.

i'll definitely post a track list for you.



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