|Net Hack Slasher
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|#1 Posted on 27.7.04 1500.58 | Instant Rating: 6.25|
|Click Here (sportsline.com) ...I know I'm a week late and I'm actually surprised this hasn't been posted. Just interested in everyones thoughts on it|
Blue Jays 1st baseman Carlos Delgado quietly carried out his personal protest this season, refusing to stand when God Bless America was played at ballparks across the majors... Most ballparks generally play God Bless America on Sunday and holidays, but the Yankees do it at every game during the seventh-inning stretch. It comes on after Sheppard, the stadium's longtime public-address announcer, reads a remembrance to the people serving in the military.
Most fans never saw him disappearing up the dugout tunnel or staying in the dugout. And even teammates who disagreed with the Toronto slugger's political stance accepted his right to call the United States' invasion of Iraq "the stupidest war ever."
The Blue Jays played at Yankee Stadium for the first time this year Wednesday night. It's the only park in the majors where God Bless America has been played every game since the Sept. 11 attacks, a fiercely patriotic place where active military members are still admitted free.
Delgado is very much against the war in Iraq and being from Puerto Rico he's also opposed the U.S. military's longtime use of the Puerto Rican island of Vieques for weapons testing.
I kind of have mixed feelings on this one, I am with Carlos, I am very anti-war which for reasons I don't really need to get in here... But I probably wouldn't take the stand Delgado is as I would feel if I was in the States & in Yankee stadium I would feel the need to go with the what's customary just to show respect and save my anti-war views to the media.
Then again, as my sur(user)name poster on the Politics forum wrote an interesting topic about separating Entertainment & Politics, I have to ask should we start separating Sports & Politics. Delgado has no problem standing for the customary U.S anthem before games. He's got a problem with the 7th inning GBA which he feels it's more like a Pro US Army propaganda... Don't know if I agree with that totally but you know maybe you should have all these ceremonies before or after the game. But during the 9 innings lets concentrate on the game without the nationalistic time outs.
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|#2 Posted on 27.7.04 1517.24 | Instant Rating: 7.29|
|Delgado was't making a fuss about it. He just chose to make himself sparse. No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.|
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|#3 Posted on 27.7.04 1755.19 | Instant Rating: 5.38|
|I'm more upset about the human rain delay inventing verses to God Bless America during the 7th inning of playoff games at Yankee Stadium in order to freeze the opposing pitcher. Play the anthem or Kate Smith prior to the game, and then just play the damn game. I'm more disgusted about Delgado refusing to waive his no-trade clause to go to a contender than this. If that is his attitude towards winning, I'd be very wary of giving him big money as a free agent this off-season.|
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|I've actually got no problem with how Delgado's choosing to do this. It's fairly private, it's his thing - heck, even Selig wasn't aware of this until the NYT told him about it (at least if I remember the NYT article right). It should be noted that the NYT article that Sportsline uses as a base goes more in-depth about Delgado's initial resentment towards US military efforts.|
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|AIM: || ||#5 Posted on 27.7.04 2321.28 | Instant Rating: 5.19|
|I don't agree with Delgado's stance, but I have no problem with how he's doing it, either. There's no law anywhere that says you have to stand for "God Bless America". But here's a question-- has Delgado been standing for the national anthems?|
I did a lengthy speech on Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf's refusal to stand for the national anthem back in 1996. I had a similar stance, and didn't stand for the national anthem in Denver for roughly two years. To me it was hypocritical for people to slam Mahmoud when I had seen people heckling, scratching themselves, eating nachos, whistling, whooping or running through the aisles during the national anthem. I remember LA Raiders Jeff Gossett and Jeff Jaegar still working on their kicks when a marching band started playing the anthem at a Broncos-Raiders game in 1991 (they didn't make it off the field until "what so proudly we hail"). I was at an old Denver Dynamite game the same year, when people started hurling the plastic giveaway Little Caesars figurines on the field. Delgado's behavior isn't as offensive as any of those cases. If it bothers you, then make sure you're practicing what you preach and treat the anthem and "god bless" as you see fit.
I always thought you were supposed to stop in your tracks at a stadium, no matter where you were, when the anthem started playing. Now it's apparently just when you're in the seating area... if you're at a concession stand, it's okay to keep about your business. Not every warm body in the stadium is standing at attention when the anthem or "god Bless" plays. Heck, most of the crowd thinks the fricking WAVE is acceptable behavior at a baseball game. Roughly that same percentage thinks it's okay to get up and leave your seat during play. It's not like there's sacred etiquette among baseball fans.
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|#6 Posted on 27.7.04 2341.06 | Instant Rating: 5.07|
Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
Then again, as my sur(user)name poster on the Politics forum wrote an interesting topic about separating Entertainment & Politics, I have to ask should we start separating Sports & Politics.
See, I don't think this has anything to do with separation of Sports and Politics. Delgado isn't telling other people how they should they act during the singing of "God Bless America"; he's simply standing up for his own beliefs. Even though I disagree with him on the basic issue _ the war _ I say bravo to him for doing something he feels strongly about, even with the risk of backlash.
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|#7 Posted on 28.7.04 0009.15 | Instant Rating: 8.47|
Yup, that's exactly how I feel about it. Making myself scarce is pretty much exactly what I do, too. (For a different couple of reasons, and it doesn't really even matter why.) Not a big deal, nothing to see here, move along. :-)
Originally posted by Grimis
Delgado was't making a fuss about it. He just chose to make himself sparse. No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned.
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|#8 Posted on 28.7.04 0902.41 | Instant Rating: 6.85|
|I always thought you were supposed to stop in your tracks at a stadium, no matter where you were, when the anthem started playing. Now it's apparently just when you're in the seating area... if you're at a concession stand, it's okay to keep about your business.|
I can't speak for the customers at the concession stand, but the workers at the concession stand don't know when the anthem is sung, so they don't know when to stop and stand at attention. I worked at a concession stand at a couple of Texas Rangers' games last week, and I had no clue when they played the anthem. Also, I had no clue as to the score, the inning or anything. The only thing I knew was when the Rangers hit a home run (but only because I heard the fireworks go off and the theme from The Natural play).
I wonder how the customers would have reacted if the concession stand stopped to show respect for the anthem. That might be interesting.
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|#9 Posted on 28.7.04 1023.27 | Instant Rating: 3.87|
|When an athlete does something that someone else will see, how can it be private? IMO, if I had something private, to myself, that would mean that I didn't care to share it and that I wouldn't draw attention to it. Why? Because it's my belief, my opinion, and my decision to think the way I want to think, and I deemed it "private". Carlos Delgado, God bless you for what you believe, for in America, it doesn't matter if I agree with you, or if anyone else does or doesn't. If you don't want to stand during the song and the rules and laws say you don't have to if you don't want to, so be it.
To get an attitude when people make an issue of it though? People make an issue about EVERYTHING that they see, hear about, or find out about ten years after the fact. If you are seen ditching "God Bless America", rest assured someone will ask you about it. It is called "you are in front of tens of thousands of people and millions on TV with the possibility of your every viewable action picked up on." Pick your nose, rub your balls, flip someone off, spit your tobacco....its all on video. As long as he keeps doing something in front of people, people will react as people do, and he has to deal with it. Its called celebrity - if the good doesn't outweigh the bad, get your resume together.
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